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So I made up a term wolfguard squad all TH/SS specifically to counter my buddy who plays big nids. I made one of these guys Arjac and the squad was great, they killed a trygon prime and a tyrant in 2 turns with average rolls; but is it worth the extra points, and is it worth brining him in against other armies?

Yes. Arjac is ridiculous...

Not really...
Fun definately.
Not really cost effective though.

Whats Arjac?

An upgrade character for a Wolf Guard pack.
He has an S10 AP1 6" or 12" attack and a SS+SS coupled with a 2+ save.
He also has some bonuses for fighting characters and possibly for monstrous creatures and/or HQs which makes him a good character killer.
However for what he is he is a touch expensive.

Arjac Rockfist 170 point upgrade to an 18 point wolfguard

Always hits on 3+ regardless of WS
Re roll to hit against Monstrous or Independent
6" S 10 AP 1 Assault 1 attack that lowers targets initiative to 1 until end of next players turn
+1 attack in the first round of any combat.

Note that hes not an independant character so he cant be targeted in close combat.

Now as he's a terminator with TH/SS which would cost 62 points anyway it seems kinda worth it, but he gets torn to bits by large numbers of little guys. I just cant decide if I should make him a constant part of my list or not.

Listing the entire stat list and points cost is against Dakka rules.

My bad, took out the stats, hes about the same as most space marine type independant characters statwise

JonST wrote:but he gets torn to bits by large numbers of little guys

This, coupled with his cost is really his only weakness. But keep in mind that he's still a Wolf Guard and can join Grey Hunters. They might not be the best combat unit in the game, but with their Wolf Standard, he has a 2+ rerollable armor in addition to "reroll half of his misses, reroll to wound". Even large numbers of little guys will struggle to deal with 2+ with a reroll.

Overall, I think he's fun and powerful. Definitely not the best option in the book and I probably wouldn't take him in a competitive game...but he's definitely a force to be reckoned with.

There are two ways to decide if he is worth it or not:

Does including him increase your odds of winning? Sounds like he helped against your friend. Play test against over armies and you'll find out soon enough.

or,

Does including him increase the "fun" factor to your games? Normally, I don't like setting up lists specifically for one "enemy". However, if both you and your friend are doing this then it might make for a good way to constantly evolve the game for you two.

He's got the same stats as a Battle Leader, so let's start there. Just getting him equipped brings the price to 150. Then he's basically got a Meltagun, Saga of the Bear, Saga of the Beast Slayer, and he provides Stubborn to his squad. He's about 40 points cheaper than he should be, but also manages to ditch Independent Character status in the bargain. Since you should be bringing a cheap Runepriest as your HQ, he seems like a viable way to crushing MCs, Walkers, and ICs.

Yeah, against nidzilla there's no reason not to take him. He's also hard enough to kill most walkers and MCs so against an ork kan/dread list he's good

DarkHound I agree as far as the Battle Leader thing goes, plus if you have Grimnar in your army Arjac becomes a scoring Troop choice as well.

clively As for the fun factor he certainly adds alot as most people dont know about the ranged attack that drops I to 1 or knocks out their vehicle and it is always fun to watch the reactions. Your right though I need to try him against more armies, I only just got back into the game after a long time away so I have yet to have the chance.

To those of you that have play tested him, good for you, I disagree with you if you say he's not worth it.

I've never seen 170 points so effective A. Tie up a MC/IC or B. Flat out kill a MC/IC.

Eternal warrior, S10, and a 2+/3+ saves??? What more can you want out of a character in this game?

Play tested against a couple "Big" name models in the game. Two rounds each, first round they charge, second round he charges.

About the only things that can take him on are Blood Thirsters (Which lose if he attacks) or some of the special tyranid MC's. (Which again, usually lose if he gets the charge with that I1 hammer throw attack)

Ghaz, psssh dead meat, Mepheston? HAHAHA, dead meat. Anything eldar gets smashed by that hammer. Tau aren't even worth mentioning.

Points wise Arjac is epic.

I love Arjac though I have never gotten the chance to see him do his job ( opponent keeps running away ) xDDDD

He's a little pricey, but he's pretty badass. Go for it!

I am going to run him for a bit, see how he does against non nids, maybe i'll toss him in a drop pod...

I've never seen him do less than 200 points of damage. If you don't bring Arjac to the table in a 1K+ list, I start asking questions.

sfshilo wrote:To those of you that have play tested him, good for you, I disagree with you if you say he's not worth it.

I've never seen 170 points so effective A. Tie up a MC/IC or B. Flat out kill a MC/IC.

Eternal warrior, S10, and a 2+/3+ saves??? What more can you want out of a character in this game?

Play tested against a couple "Big" name models in the game. Two rounds each, first round they charge, second round he charges.

About the only things that can take him on are Blood Thirsters (Which lose if he attacks) or some of the special tyranid MC's. (Which again, usually lose if he gets the charge with that I1 hammer throw attack)

Ghaz, psssh dead meat, Mepheston? HAHAHA, dead meat. Anything eldar gets smashed by that hammer. Tau aren't even worth mentioning.

Points wise Arjac is epic.

I would be most delighted to know how you came to that conclusion...

If Ghaz is on the charge and has his Waaagh!, he only inflicts one wound on Arjac and takes 1 in return. The following turn Thraka kills Arjac, but suffers 2 more wounds for it. Ghaz really can't go into any new combats now that his invul is used up and he swings on I1, so I'd basically call him dead. Good on Arjac. If Ghaz doesn't get his Invul in the first round of combat, he dies.

Isn't that if Arjac is alone? As hes not independant you can dump wounds on his squad right? Of course I dont know anything about Ghaz.

tedurur wrote:

sfshilo wrote:To those of you that have play tested him, good for you, I disagree with you if you say he's not worth it.

I've never seen 170 points so effective A. Tie up a MC/IC or B. Flat out kill a MC/IC.

Eternal warrior, S10, and a 2+/3+ saves??? What more can you want out of a character in this game?

Play tested against a couple "Big" name models in the game. Two rounds each, first round they charge, second round he charges.

About the only things that can take him on are Blood Thirsters (Which lose if he attacks) or some of the special tyranid MC's. (Which again, usually lose if he gets the charge with that I1 hammer throw attack)

Ghaz, psssh dead meat, Mepheston? HAHAHA, dead meat. Anything eldar gets smashed by that hammer. Tau aren't even worth mentioning.

Points wise Arjac is epic.

I would be most delighted to know how you came to that conclusion...

By rolling dice many many times.

That 3+ invuln with eternal warrior is nasty enough. Oh he's S10 too? AND it's a thunder hammer? And how many wounds?

Underpriced extremely.

Throws a hammer attack?? so basically the Space Wolf equivilent of Thor. o.O

*resisting urge to start Space Wolves*

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Throws a hammer attack?? so basically the Space Wolf equivilent of Thor. o.O

*resisting urge to start Space Wolves*

Pretty much.
It has a teleporter built into it and Arjacs gauntlet has the corresponding doohickey.
So he chucks it and it teleports back...
He used to be an Ironpriest which is why he has it...

JonST wrote:So I made up a term wolfguard squad all TH/SS specifically to counter my buddy who plays big nids. I made one of these guys Arjac and the squad was great, they killed a trygon prime and a tyrant in 2 turns with average rolls; but is it worth the extra points, and is it worth brining him in against other armies?

They should have killed a lot. That's a butt-ton of points.
Arjac's 188
The Squad is 63 a piece. Geeze. Against a Trygon or Tyrant, a similar squad of TH/SS vanilla termies will do much the same.

pretre wrote:

JonST wrote:So I made up a term wolfguard squad all TH/SS specifically to counter my buddy who plays big nids. I made one of these guys Arjac and the squad was great, they killed a trygon prime and a tyrant in 2 turns with average rolls; but is it worth the extra points, and is it worth brining him in against other armies?

They should have killed a lot. That's a butt-ton of points.
Arjac's 188
The Squad is 63 a piece. Geeze. Against a Trygon or Tyrant, a similar squad of TH/SS vanilla termies will do much the same.

If you factor in the throwing hammer, Arjac can do about 5 wounds to a T8 MC or IC with no invul. So you really only need 1 more TH/SS to finish off a target and absorb a stray armor ignoring wound.

DarkHound wrote:

pretre wrote:

JonST wrote:So I made up a term wolfguard squad all TH/SS specifically to counter my buddy who plays big nids. I made one of these guys Arjac and the squad was great, they killed a trygon prime and a tyrant in 2 turns with average rolls; but is it worth the extra points, and is it worth brining him in against other armies?

They should have killed a lot. That's a butt-ton of points.
Arjac's 188
The Squad is 63 a piece. Geeze. Against a Trygon or Tyrant, a similar squad of TH/SS vanilla termies will do much the same.

If you factor in the throwing hammer, Arjac can do about 5 wounds to a T8 MC or IC with no invul. So you really only need 1 more TH/SS to finish off a target and absorb a stray armor ignoring wound.

Even with armour ignoring wounds you still have the 3++ of their SS...

Well yes, by absorb I meant save against.

DarkHound wrote:Well yes, by absorb I meant save against.

Oh right then...
No worries...

Against a Trygon or Tyrant, a similar squad of TH/SS vanilla termies will do much the same.

Try it, good luck with that. (Hint, ARJAC's throwing hammer attack drops them to I1 before you assault, something the vanilla marines cannot do.)