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Can they capture objectives?

No idea, I've not got the codex with me but if it makes no mention of it in there or refers to them as troops, I'd say no.

Daemons exist outside of the FOC so they can't be classed as troops unless the 'dex says so.

Yes, as they ARE Troops.

They're treated as a troops choice for all intents and purposes aside from taking up FOC slots, so yes they can.

Lesser daemons are awesome and can capture objectives.

They are troops, they can hold (and of course contest) objectives.

However they cannot count towards your 2 minimum troop slots. You must have 2 other squads before you can begin taking Lesser Daemons.

Thank you everyone.

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Moving to YMDC.

DarkHound wrote:However they cannot count towards your 2 minimum troop slots. You must have 2 other squads before you can begin taking Lesser Daemons.

Was this ever clarified somewhere? I'm not sure the claim that they "don't take up any troop slots" means that they can't count as your compulsory two troops choices. (It's probably in a FAQ that I missed somewhere, but if so, please refresh my memory).

IcyCool wrote:

DarkHound wrote:However they cannot count towards your 2 minimum troop slots. You must have 2 other squads before you can begin taking Lesser Daemons.

Was this ever clarified somewhere? I'm not sure the claim that they "don't take up any troop slots" means that they can't count as your compulsory two troops choices. (It's probably in a FAQ that I missed somewhere, but if so, please refresh my memory).

It's actually spelled out in the CSM codex, page 89, that they "are chosen in addition to your normal minimum and maximums". So they cannot be your two compulsory Troops or your HQ (for a Greater Daemon).

If they don't take up any troop slots, then they cannot be used as 2 compulsory troop slots. I'm not sure why this would need to be clarified.

IcyCool wrote:

DarkHound wrote:However they cannot count towards your 2 minimum troop slots.

Was this ever clarified somewhere? I'm not sure the claim that they "don't take up any troop slots" means that they can't count as your compulsory two troops choices. (It's probably in a FAQ that I missed somewhere, but if so, please refresh my memory).

The only "outside" FOC choice I know of that has been FAQd to count as the mandatory one is the BT Emperor's Champion. He can be your one HQ choice even if he takes up no FOC slot - but then again, every BT army MUST have him...

The summoned demons on the other hand are specifically mentioned as not counting, IIRC?

edit: but then again, the same argument as used in the BT FAQ can be made for any of those "outside" choices - if they're a certain type then they're a choice of that type even if they don't take slots.

Happyjew wrote:If they don't take up any troop slots, then they cannot be used as 2 compulsory troop slots. I'm not sure why this would need to be clarified.

Because not using a force org slot is NOT a requirement to fulfill the compulsory slots. See the BT (Emps Chump) and IG (Techpriest, Priest) FAQs for examples of HQ units that do not use a slot and yet can be taken as a compulsory HQ.

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don_mondo wrote:It's actually spelled out in the CSM codex, page 89, that they "are chosen in addition to your normal minimum and maximums". So they cannot be your two compulsory Troops or your HQ (for a Greater Daemon).

Is this a different printing issue? I'm reasonably certain that isn't in my codex, but I'm unable to check it at the moment.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's in there though, the "rules" for daemons are scattered across, what, 3 different areas of the codex?

Thanks for the page reference, I'll dig it out tonight and double check it.

Didnt they also FAQ it for IG priests and tech priests?

nosferatu1001 wrote:Didnt they also FAQ it for IG priests and tech priests?

Yep, mentioned that in my post above...............

IcyCool wrote:

don_mondo wrote:It's actually spelled out in the CSM codex, page 89, that they "are chosen in addition to your normal minimum and maximums". So they cannot be your two compulsory Troops or your HQ (for a Greater Daemon).

Is this a different printing issue? I'm reasonably certain that isn't in my codex, but I'm unable to check it at the moment.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's in there though, the "rules" for daemons are scattered across, what, 3 different areas of the codex?

Thanks for the page reference, I'll dig it out tonight and double check it.

No stealth reprints that I'm aware of, but yeah, the daemon rules are scattered thoughout the codex.

don_mondo wrote:
No stealth reprints that I'm aware of, but yeah, the daemon rules are scattered thoughout the codex.

Page 89, under Summoned Daemons.

puma713 wrote:

don_mondo wrote:
No stealth reprints that I'm aware of, but yeah, the daemon rules are scattered thoughout the codex.

Page 89, under Summoned Daemons.

Yes, that's one location for the Summoned Daemons rules (and the one location I mentioned above in regards to this particular question). There are more of their rules on pages 102 and 62-63.

So after checking my codex, I can clearly see the rules on page 89. I can clearly see them, because I had highlighted the text in question (presumably so I wouldn't forget it).

My terrible memory strikes again! Thanks don_mondo!

OK, now THAT is funny!!