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Neronoxx wrote:

Relapse wrote:
How popular is this game? I live in area with several game stores and am not really seeing any games played.
The main store I go to isn’t even bothering to stock it, just ordering it in as requested.

I'd say probably less than BB, but maybe close.
A lot of us are busy building. Game should kick into full swing by January.


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 MajorTom11 wrote:
I don't really see how much further they can go with this, besides more knights. Scope seems desperately constrained, wonder how much mileage they will be able to get out of this before it poops out.

I mean, they've got somewhere like 6 new titan classes to model now. They talked about it at the open week.
All the old variants from epic are just gonna be new titans.
So they have a lot to work with.

Have a link?

Yeah it's just the whole mirror match thing, no infantry etc. I dunno, Epic was... Epic. This just feels like they can only go so far, I could well be wrong have not been following much tbh. Anyways, I wish it success all the same, anything to keep the gamers happy

Epic originally came with this and expanded with others and now there's more willingness to create new classes as well. Where does it say warhound is only scout titan imperium uses? Or warlord only heavy one? Howabout siege specialistic battle titan?

And of course new weapons etc are possible.

Just because GW of old didn't come up with more doesn't mean FW can't come up with now. Look at 30k and all the new units and variants FW can come up with.

And of course eventually they CAN expand to other units as well if market is there.

 Overread wrote:
I fully expect to see them release more Imperial titans first. There is a range of knights they can unleash, the psychic warlord titan not to mention they could do a couple of "hero" class titans in various sizes.

If memory serves, the latest fluff has Imperial psychic Titan's being Warlords with special weapons...

 MajorTom11 wrote:
This just feels like they can only go so far, I could well be wrong have not been following much tbh. Anyways, I wish it success all the same, anything to keep the gamers happy

Based on what we've seen from dev conversations & presentations, these are the product possibilities in the current setting:

Alternate weapons (plastic and resin confirmed)
Other Knight chassis (Cerastus, Porphyrion, etc)
Rarer Titan chassis. They specifically mentioned wanting to do the Imperial precursor designs for the old Slaanesh scout titans (without naming them). Other recent FW publications have included mention of these Titan types: Apocalypse, Carnivore, Komodo, Warrior.
'Chaosified' titans like the Banelord which appear towards the end of the heresy
Alternate armour designs (armour sprue is specifically separate to allow this option)
Legion transfer sheets
Terrain

This is all before they consider extending the setting beyond the heresy and including Xenos

Very excited by that list! Especially pre-Heresy versions of what became the Slaaneshi Titans.

Me, I'm also interested in Forgeworld Variants (as in, In-Universe Forgeworlds, not the manufacturer) of the common three. Not just in terms of models (though I wouldn't say boo to that goose of course) but in stats.

One variant that springs to mind as a possibility (and only an example one at that) would be one better with Plasma Weapons (more advanced Reactors), but at the price of one of the Carapace hard points.

In terms of new Titans, tneva82 raises a good comparison - Astartes Tanks before we got the Heresy range.

Sure, some have purely cosmetic differences. But then there's Sicarians - heavier than a Predator, Spartans, heavier than a Landraider, right up to Mastodons etc.

Who knows what we might see? I'm firmly in the camp of 'Emperor Class aren't suited to this game' - but that doesn't mean the Warlord Class is therefore the upward limit.

Plus, the more variants and new classes they release, the more us Nerds will feel a need to have a suitable armoury of weapons for our existing Titans, to better tackle new and emerging threats.

That goes for the Xenos titans as well - which I am very confident we will see in time. Consider the humble Vibro Cannon (or V-Cannon if like me you kick it old skool). Historically, a bit pants. But if combined the special rules which can stagger Titans and turn Titans? Suddenly it has a real appeal - spin a Warlord 45 degrees and halve it's movement is literally the next best thing to bringing it down in flames, because you've just take it out of the game for a turn or two.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That goes for the Xenos titans as well - which I am very confident we will see in time. Consider the humble Vibro Cannon (or V-Cannon if like me you kick it old skool). Historically, a bit pants. But if combined the special rules which can stagger Titans and turn Titans? Suddenly it has a real appeal - spin a Warlord 45 degrees and halve it's movement is literally the next best thing to bringing it down in flames, because you've just take it out of the game for a turn or two.

On saturday my poor warlord got leg critical ending up flipping left and right. Combined with already high heats this was REAL bummer. If I flipped left I needed to move to turn to give sight to enemy(which btw were moving toward me so I would have needed to turn more toward right all the time). I couldn't boost turn either as my reactors were sooooo hot. And if I boost repairs I couldn't shoot.

My warlord was practically impotent slowly self-destructing from reactor that was up high while bit bad repair rolls kept me barely below red...

So yeah. Such weapon could be pretty darn nasty.

edit: also was rather funny game experience in that no rerolls everywhere For a while felt weird to be rolling 1's to hit and NOT get to reroll...Lol.

 MajorTom11 wrote:


Yeah it's just the whole mirror match thing, no infantry etc. I dunno, Epic was... Epic. This just feels like they can only go so far, I could well be wrong have not been following much tbh. Anyways, I wish it success all the same, anything to keep the gamers happy

If you're playing a "mirror match", then you need to start using more of the rules. Even as little as having different mission objectives means the two sides start acting differently. Add in the three different Maniples, different support options (now, do you bring a banner or two on Knights, or an additional Warhound?) and things start changing. That's before we even think about special Legion-specific rules. Oh, both sides have the same models? Well, they'll look different, unless both players have built and painted them the same way.

some pics from/for the pic gods :

Looks good Problem is do I take trip to FLGS which is going to take me some 2.5h due to having to wait for train or wait for monday to go pick up after work...Ah decisions decisions. Technically I really couldn't afford that delay as I need to get stuff painted for apoc mega battle but...


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 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:


Yeah it's just the whole mirror match thing, no infantry etc. I dunno, Epic was... Epic. This just feels like they can only go so far, I could well be wrong have not been following much tbh. Anyways, I wish it success all the same, anything to keep the gamers happy

If you're playing a "mirror match", then you need to start using more of the rules. Even as little as having different mission objectives means the two sides start acting differently. Add in the three different Maniples, different support options (now, do you bring a banner or two on Knights, or an additional Warhound?) and things start changing. That's before we even think about special Legion-specific rules. Oh, both sides have the same models? Well, they'll look different, unless both players have built and painted them the same way.

Saturday game one side was trying to carry a cargo off, one side was trying to keep enemy off from their side.

And different maniples etc yeah. Bigger battles there's lot more freedom to play with. 1500-2000 pts and there's quite a bit of options as you could even bring 2 maniples at once etc. Sure it's fairly boring 1 on 1 without much options but add some stuff...Games rarely show full potential at minimum.

Saturday game it was pretty much mirror match(practicalities of models and command terminal) but still with different weapon gears and missions(incidentally the side with long range weapons ended up the one with cargo...) made it own challenge for both sides(too bad I screwed up. Reacted to fast elements on one side but had own fast stuff on opposing side. With missions in mind opted to put warlord there and then was trigger happy with warlord. Took out those all right but ended up reactor at super high rendering my warlord suddenly rather teethless)

£45 for two Warhounds?

I'm down with that. Spesh as for AT, with my local GW store not carrying it, I'll order from an online discounter, or nip down Darksphere after work to save some more money.

For anyone struggling with pictures, a pair of Warhounds are:
£45
60 euros
$75 US
$90 CAN
$125 AUS
$149 NZ; $610 HK; $110 SG
450dkr; 540skr; 500nkr; 10,400 yen; 450rmb; 280RM; 225zl

 MajorTom11 wrote:
I don't really see how much further they can go with this, besides more knights. Scope seems desperately constrained, wonder how much mileage they will be able to get out of this before it poops out.

...I see your point, and hopefully the historical precedent of "Adeptus Titaniucs (I)" to "Space Marine (Epic)" happens again here, soon-ish.

I do think we'll get Ork/Eldar/Tyranid Titans or Equivalents first though, which will delay that happy day a bit longer.

I'd still be happier to have two, separate Epic Systems, albeit sharing models.

Let AT be about the Big Boys, and the unique tactical challenge that brings.

There's definitely room for both!

I'd agree there, go full mixed epic and either the Titans are overpowered with almost everything else being redundant,

or like the previous version the little stuff is too powerful and there's almost no point bringing Titans, just lots and lots of tanks

That's clearly what FW/GW will do, if they do it.

No need to worry about that!

We still need to worry about whether or not they'll actually eventually do it at all - but it seems a bit of a no-brainer given that a few years from now they'll be able to use these assets again there, and get a whole load of new people to buy titans again too!

Neronoxx wrote:
Will probably just pick up one box for now, maybe another if I really enjoy the kit.
Until Legio Audax gets rules, then I'll field 10 of the fethers.
Rise, Serigala!

Three boxes for me, at least at first.

Ember Wolves FTW!

Have they made any announcements for any other releases beyond the warounds? I wanna get into it, but few in my gaming group showed much interest, they've all moved on to 9th age.

We know plastic weapon packs are coming but no word as to when. Future possibilities have been listed here as well but nothing concrete

I'm just interested in Cerastus knights from FW at this scale, I think the added height will make them a better fit than the standard knight chassis.

A table full of Warhounds and Cerastus knights would look so epic!

It also might allow a bit more posing - the Warlord and standard Knights are too static looking for my taste (they seem to have just standing, not even walking, poses that are possible without modifying the kit).

Hmm the legs felt rather posable for warlord. Well maybe not for running but walking should be doable. Me being chicken and sucking with legs went for fairly static pose out of fear of wrecking expensive model

 RiTides wrote:
I'm just interested in Cerastus knights from FW at this scale, I think the added height will make them a better fit than the standard knight chassis.

A table full of Warhounds and Cerastus knights would look so epic!

It also might allow a bit more posing - the Warlord and standard Knights are too static looking for my taste (they seem to have just standing, not even walking, poses that are possible without modifying the kit).

I want the whole range of Knights tbh, and new ones as well. I could never justify collecting a whole Household in 40K despite having written up background for one, but in AT? Hell yes. Even if they never do a proper Knights-only list for AT I can use them for Epic, though I hope they do it for AT, no reason a Knight list with access to Cerastus and Acastus chassis variants couldn't take on a Titan Maniple and it would present an entirely different gameplay experience so would be good for variety.

Absolutely, and it would be a great way to increase variety, gameplay and replayability.

Warhound is only £40 on this weeks order pad.

DiscoKing wrote:
Warhound is only £40 on this weeks order pad.

It would be nice it that was the price for the UK, I suppose, but even if it was £40 and not £45, would that mean a lower price elsewhere too?

Not certain about GW's worldwide 'price bands'.

 Necros wrote:
Have they made any announcements for any other releases beyond the warounds? I wanna get into it, but few in my gaming group showed much interest, they've all moved on to 9th age.

There haven't been any announcements beyond the warhound. There have been supposed mentions of weapon sprues, but I'm not sure if that's an official announcements or just rumor. I know there are a few people in my area that bought into it, but are still painting or assembling - so I haven't gotten a game in yet. However, the ruleset is really good and I think it's plenty enough of a complete and playable game with only the 4 models. There are enough tactical choices that can be made that each game can be very different. A titan equipped with draining weapons will need to behave differently than one that can use it's reactor for movement and maneuvering for example.

Once they release the other Questoris knights, as well as the Cerastus and Acastus knihts, I'd like to see options for fielding "Imperial" and "Mechanicum"-aligned Knight Banners and Households, for a bit more variety.

 Yodhrin wrote:
I want the whole range of Knights tbh, and new ones as well. I could never justify collecting a whole Household in 40K despite having written up background for one, but in AT? Hell yes. Even if they never do a proper Knights-only list for AT I can use them for Epic, though I hope they do it for AT, no reason a Knight list with access to Cerastus and Acastus chassis variants couldn't take on a Titan Maniple and it would present an entirely different gameplay experience so would be good for variety.

Exactly! That's what still has me interested here, even though I've found the initial launch of the game to be pretty underwhelming...

 Thargrim wrote:
Also forcing all the chaos bits into the kit means I can't build two of the look I want. None of the artwork in the AT book shows them bearing such chaos iconography until the final days of the heresy anyways.

It's not really Chaos iconography, though - at least not yet. There's no sign of the eight-pointed star (or arrows, if you prefer), and none of the titan parts come with the symbols of the four Powers. The one symbol that we have is the Eye of Horus. And given that Horus is leading the insurrection, that would make sense. Those following Horus would need iconography that would differentiate themselves with those who remained loyal to the Emperor. And using a symbol that's linked to Horus himself would be the way to do that.

Once it becomes clear to everyone that Horus is fully corrupted by Chaos, then yes, at that point the Eye will come to represent that. But at the start of the civil war, no one is linking Horus and Chaos except those most deep in the know about what's going on.

Eye of Terra, surely?

I’m sure that was the original device, according to the novels?

Yeah, it's the Eye of Terra originally.