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Hey i currently play 40k and i was interested in starting a fantasy dwarves army. How much would it cost, roughly, for a competetive 1500 point (Does fantasy use points?) army.

Oh also i forget to add that my friend said that nearly all of his daemons models can be transfered from 40k to fantasy fairly easily. Is this true?

Daemons to fantasy LOTR movement trays looks like they can help a lot.

and for 1500 points worth of dwarves bout £130 2 battalions, a couple of character models and a grudgethrower even cheaper from the likes of Giftforgeeks and maelstrom

Exodite wrote:Daemons to fantasy LOTR movement trays looks like they can help a lot.

and for 1500 points worth of dwarves bout £130 2 battalions, a couple of character models and a grudgethrower even cheaper from the likes of Giftforgeeks and maelstrom

Oh cool, and i don't know if you know what the 40k points values are but is 1.5k in fantasy roughly the same size battle as a 40k one?

The average game of fantasy is in the range of 2k-2.5k pts (in the US at least)

At my local club we've generally found the 2k point fantasy games take about the same time as 1.5k point 40k games

Myself and a friend sat and put together a comparion on fantasy and 40k, found fantasy that bit cheaper usually.

TBH i dont think you can generalise. Its down to what you want the armies to do and which faction you choose.

for example horde / swarm armies would cost more to build.

i think its about the same the price for my £40k orks and orcs and goblins fantasy.

Two things- the LOTR movement trays don't really work for converting daemons across, they're the wrong size.

As to cost, well, Fantasy relies more on big units of troops, which can be expensive. However, some armies (and dwarves are one of them) have elite troops meaning you don't need to take as many. Add to that that you can drop 25% of your points into a character easily, and another 25% into a couple more if you feel like it. Whether that is effective depends on your local meta and the force you are playing. I would say they are a round about the same, as long as you're not playing a horde army, but that very little is as good value for money as plastic space marines.

Fantasy is definitely more expensive than 40k. I play two horde armies, Tyranids and Vampire Counts. Sure, 40k has things like tanks and monstrous creatures, but Fantasy is catching up with big monsters, and has far, far more infantry types to use.

The main thing that makes Fantasy more expensive is unit sizes. Big block of infantry are in, and to get a 40-50 block of infantry, you need to buy 4-5 boxes of that unit type. Thats for one regiment. You'll normally need 2-3 large blocks as a battleline anchor. So that's 12-15 boxes of basic infantry. This is before you start buying the fun stuff from special and rare.

If you play both games casually then 40k is cheaper IMO, However if you want to mech up i.e win then they are both the same.

Playing an elite WHFB army is really very cheap however WoC or HEs armies can be made for very little.

Most 2500 point armies for fantasy run about $500-600 USD. That said, I've designed armies that with the new finecast prices run as much as $850 USD. So the price range greatly depends on how you design your army and if you can avoid taking expensive models which is getting harder and harder to do.

Fantasy = cheaper per model
Yet more models needed

Much like 40k it depends what you want to do. 200 IG on foot is going to be costly, same goes for fantasy you want 200 of something then well you will get stuck paying some money.

Personally I built my woc armyand got together 3k for under $400. It helps getting good local or online deals.

I think with 8th edition WFB has become more expensive. Certainly, I'm just getting back into the game after 6th and a little bit of 7th, and it kind of shocked me. Doesn't help that the boxset size has got smaller as well, £18 for 10 orcs is a pretty crazy price, especially if you want to go for big blocks.

You might want to consider Mantic Dwarves, you can get their 'dwarf army' for less than £50 (85 infantry including 2 artillery).

For the sake of completeness, Mantic also do undead, Orcs and Goblins, Elves and Dark Elves...or at least analogues. If you don't wanr mantic, then IMO Ebay is your friend..

However unit fillers can reduce cost and look cool. The tomb stones from the tomb kings warriors box on chariot, 40mm bases ect can really help make a unit look awesome and cheaper.

It entirely depends on the army.

On the cheap side you can easily get a mildly competitive 2500 point Ogre army for around $300 if you convert your own characters from the basic Ogre models(very easy to do BTW)

And on the expensive side Vampire Counts or Skaven armies focusing on Zombies or Slaves can easily run $700-800.

Unit filler helps with hordes, and looks really cool, but it only goes so far.

Dwarfs are pretty good as their battalion is solid.

I would try and get a Battle for Skull Pass dwarf set roughly $50 on ebay, a battalion and a grudgethrower.

Make the dwarfs in the battalion as great weapons, I like Quarrellers with great weapons but you'll have 8 thunderers so you may want 1 bigger unit. The thane from the BFSP set makes a great runesmith. And you can use the pony cart from the BFSP set to hold an organ gun so you'll have a cannon, organ gun, a 2nd cannon or organ gun, grudge thrower a big block of great weapon dwarfs (put the BFSP shield ones in back 40+ is a good number to go horde), a unit or 2 of quarrellers/thunderers, some miners to pop up behind enemy lines. This should easily give you 1,500 pts.

As someone mentioned, using unit fillers will deinately drop the cost of a fantasy army.

I think overall fantasy is more expensive just because you have alot more models in play generally.

It is for now, but I can guarantee you that 6th edition 40k will change the focus back towards large groups of infantry (now that most people already have many vehicles in their collection), so WFB may only be more expensive for the next couple of months or so!

Only reason the cost of fantasy has went up so much is things like boxes of 16 to 20 models being done as boxes of 10 models for £3 more than the box was in the first place.
Go with another company such as mantic, or possibly Avatars of War if they put regiments out faster and the price will decrease a lot

Or another tactic is to buy used models and do it that way though may require some stripping!

Yeah I just got my 120 zombies from mantic today, they were damn cheap and they look pretty good.

yeah, Mantic is nice.

Of course you still have to paint 120 zombies

Spray them brown, light dry brush with white,
dip them in those quick shades , blotch green ink on patches.

DONE!

Unless ofcourse you are a masochist, and are looking to paint at least that many O&G by hand. After My WoC are fully painted ofcourse...

That is what airbrushes are for. Makes short work of priming and base coating 100 orcs.

Can't afford one atm, so army painter primer is the way just now

Depends on the army for instance it would be more expensive to build a tourney 40k ork list then it would be to build a tourney Daemons fantasy list but beastmen would be significantly more expensive then building something like smurfs