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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/08/23 20:14:14
Subject: RE: H.B.M.C.'s review of Codex: Chaos Space Marines...
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Foul Dwimmerlaik
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Posted By Dragonmann on 08/23/2007 11:23 AM I have the defense from Fzorgle!!! IG conscripts... nobody in their right mind wants to move a unit of 50 models, and so what if they do.. If I was a person who had no scruples and used Lash of Fzorgle, I would be the happiest chaos player around to see my opponent deploy a unit of conscripts. I move that unit (spreading them out very wide...very very wide) so that I can assault them. Now LOS is blocked for the rest of your IG and your hamstrung (as I use the conscripts to sling shot my way into the rest of your lines, while keeping the conscripts locked into combat with piddly things like...daemons). Good game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/08/23 23:12:05
Subject: RE: H.B.M.C.'s review of Codex: Chaos Space Marines...
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Novice Knight Errant Pilot
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Damn, Hellfury...that's just plain evil thinking ! Very effective... Also, just if anybody's interested, the lads over at Bell of Lost Souls have already posted "Tactica - Lash" and "Tactica - Anti - Lash", with what appeared to be some very valid information both how to use it and fight AGAINST it. Not knowing too many Chaos players at this stage, I didn't study it that thoroughly, but both articles seemed very good. Cheers, Padre^.
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"Its terrible the way that conversion kit is causing him to buy 2 GW kits... " - Mad4Minis
"GW are hard to parody, as they are sometimes so stupid that the best in comedy couldn't beat them at their own game..." - Paradigm
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/08/24 00:11:05
Subject: RE: H.B.M.C.'s review of Codex: Chaos Space Marines...
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Posted By akira5665 on 08/23/2007 9:40 PM I am not being sarcastic!!!! Just wanted to ask all and sundry: When, in your opinion, was the last/best publication released by GW? That would be a very interesting list to see! Codex: Space Marines was pretty good. Given the large variety of units and choices, its surprisingly well balanced. It could benefit from a few minor tweaks (to things like assault cannons and We Stand Alone) but its basically sound. Which is probably why Jervis wants to rip it all up and start again. With diagrams of Bolters.
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Gav Thorpe on missing the point: "Falcons are Armour 12 so anything with S6 and above can potentially destroy them 1/3 of the time" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/08/24 01:18:42
Subject: RE: H.B.M.C.'s review of Codex: Chaos Space Marines...
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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GW's best book? Necromunda. Easy. BYE
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/08/24 01:55:30
Subject: RE: H.B.M.C.'s review of Codex: Chaos Space Marines...
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Rogue Daemonhunter fueled by Chaos
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Umm, pretty much everybody liked the new Tau Codex, which made the list stronger but not OTT, it added a few new units, added options and upgrades for current units, but it kept the core of the army intact.
IG is tossed around as one of the best these days, it's highly adaptive but never broken or abusive.
If it weren't for Falcons, I think Eldar would go down as one of the better compromises between the sublists of 3rd edition and the streamlined nature of today.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/08/24 02:25:54
Subject: RE: H.B.M.C.'s review of Codex: Chaos Space Marines...
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Posted By H.B.M.C. on 08/24/2007 6:18 AM GW's best book? Necromunda. Easy. Which version? I've been meaning to pick it up...heard it has great skirmish rules.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/08/24 04:34:37
Subject: RE: H.B.M.C.'s review of Codex: Chaos Space Marines...
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Posted By dienekes96 on 08/24/2007 7:25 AM Posted By H.B.M.C. on 08/24/2007 6:18 AM GW's best book? Necromunda. Easy. Which version? I've been meaning to pick it up...heard it has great skirmish rules.
You can download the rules for free here: http://specialist-games.com/necromunda/default.asp
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Gav Thorpe on missing the point: "Falcons are Armour 12 so anything with S6 and above can potentially destroy them 1/3 of the time" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/08/24 05:50:35
Subject: RE: H.B.M.C.'s review of Codex: Chaos Space Marines...
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Clousseau
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Best books? Necromunda Mordheim Tau Empires Codex 2nd ed. Sisters of Battle Codex Dark Millennium (only for the story about brother capt. Stern) Rogue Trader
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Guinness: for those who are men of the cloth and football fans, but not necessarily in that order.
I think the lesson here is the best way to enjoy GW's games is to not use any of their rules.--Crimson Devil |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/08/24 13:48:39
Subject: RE: H.B.M.C.'s review of Codex: Chaos Space Marines...
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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2nd Edition Codex: Chaos
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/08/24 14:00:48
Subject: RE: H.B.M.C.'s review of Codex: Chaos Space Marines...
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Regular Dakkanaut
SoCal
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Having now read the new C: CSM, I can now state that I won't be buying it, playing it or buiding any armies based on it. If I desire to play my World Eaters, or finish (or start, for that matter) my 1K Sons, I'll play with friends and use the previous codex. If that means I won't be running any of my Chaos armies at GT's and RTT's, then I'll use Space Marines until they get nerfed, then go with Necrons, Tyranids or whatever has the most life left in it before being subjected to GW-ism. HBMC, you were too generous. This new product (I hate to even dignify it with the term "Codex" ) is truly an insult to CSM players, and I'll go even further and call it an insult to my intelligence and the intelligence of all veteran Chaos players. GW seems firmly wedded to the business model of targeting 10-year-old brats with wealthy parents. Well, if you don't want players whose IQ's are above room temperature, who are old enough to vote, or who have their own jobs, not to mention us veteran players, we can do quite well with the materials and models already on the market or in our garages. You can take your Lesser Daemons, Greater Daemons, Lashes of Torment, Huron Blackheart, the Company of Misery and the rest of the mess that is the new C: CSM, compress all down to degenerate matter density, and use it as a suppository. Out!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/08/24 14:18:37
Subject: RE: H.B.M.C.'s review of Codex: Chaos Space Marines...
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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
The drinking halls of Fenris or South London as its sometimes called
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Posted By LordOfTheSloths on 08/24/2007 7:00 PM Having now read the new C: CSM, I can now state that I won't be buying it, playing it or buiding any armies based on it. If I desire to play my World Eaters, or finish (or start, for that matter) my 1K Sons, I'll play with friends and use the previous codex. I say change with the times but if you really cant (and there is a few of you like this) Then Good luck with that. Its a dinosaur thing to do. And we all know what happenened to them. . .
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R.I.P Amy Winehouse
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/08/24 14:19:18
Subject: RE: H.B.M.C.'s review of Codex: Chaos Space Marines...
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[MOD]
Madrak Ironhide
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I liked reading the War of Assassins stuff. But the 2nd edition Codex itself was kind of...lean?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/08/24 14:28:37
Subject: RE: H.B.M.C.'s review of Codex: Chaos Space Marines...
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Los Angeles
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I love the Mordheim book.
But Tuomas Pirinen's Warhammer Fantasy Battles: 6th Edition runs a close second.
PS: He also co-wrote Mordheim, IIRC.
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"The last known instance of common sense happened at a GT. A player tried to use the 'common sense' argument vs. Mauleed to justify his turbo-boosted bikes getting a saving throw vs. Psycannons. The player's resulting psychic death scream erased common sense from the minds of 40k players everywhere. " - Ozymandias |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/08/24 16:25:33
Subject: RE: H.B.M.C.'s review of Codex: Chaos Space Marines...
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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almost 40 pages of replies!!!
Think we'll get to 50?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/08/24 18:32:35
Subject: RE: H.B.M.C.'s review of Codex: Chaos Space Marines...
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Foul Dwimmerlaik
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Posted By bigchris1313 on 08/24/2007 7:28 PM I love the Mordheim book. But Tuomas Pirinen's Warhammer Fantasy Battles: 6th Edition runs a close second. PS: He also co-wrote Mordheim, IIRC. Judging by reading my old white dwarfs from around 1999, I think we can thank Toumas for being the originator and primary force behind Mordheim. Those white dwarf articles were great. Oodles of ways to play skirmish Fantasy before the more refined Mordheim book came out.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/08/24 23:28:48
Subject: RE: H.B.M.C.'s review of Codex: Chaos Space Marines...
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Mordheim was Tuomas Pirinen's child. In fact he got the Original Mordheim cover art as wedding present and it was hanging on his wall when I visited them 4 years ago. I haven't played Mordheim, but my fave is Necromunda. They got so many things right for the most enjoyable GW game I've played.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/08/25 03:07:26
Subject: RE: H.B.M.C.'s review of Codex: Chaos Space Marines...
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Been Around the Block
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Posted By beef on 08/24/2007 7:18 PM I say change with the times but if you really cant (and there is a few of you like this) Then Good luck with that. Its a dinosaur thing to do. And we all know what happenened to them. . .
I say refuse to pay for shoddy workmanship, but if you really can't - and you know who you are - then good luck to you. It's a stupid thing to do. And we all know what happened to the dodo . . .
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/08/25 07:01:05
Subject: RE: H.B.M.C.'s review of Codex: Chaos Space Marines...
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Fixture of Dakka
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I say change with the times but if you really cant (and there is a few of you like this) Then Good luck with that. Its a dinosaur thing to do. And we all know what happenened to them. . . They ruled the earth for hundreds of millions of years?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/08/25 07:53:20
Subject: RE: H.B.M.C.'s review of Codex: Chaos Space Marines...
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Clousseau
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Posted By Necros on 08/24/2007 9:25 PM almost 40 pages of replies!!! Think we'll get to 50?
I must I must I must increase my post count. Isn't that how the song goes? On topic: Beef, I think your attitude was more prevalent at the end of 3rd edition/beginning of 4th. We'd all only been through 1-2 codex changes (and one was predicated by 3rd edition). Then having your--in theory--fully supported lists get torn down and rendered inoperable (no, not just ineffective, but INOPERABLE) while still in the same edition really did away with the sentiment of "it's a new game/edition: just roll with it". Even more frustrating this time around as 4th was supposed to take previous codicies into account. Had 4th been accompanied by a "Ravening Hordes" type list and a more robust Codex release schedule (say, 4 a year), there might be fewer sour grapes. In the meantime, I'm eating sour grapes.
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Guinness: for those who are men of the cloth and football fans, but not necessarily in that order.
I think the lesson here is the best way to enjoy GW's games is to not use any of their rules.--Crimson Devil |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/08/25 08:10:09
Subject: RE: H.B.M.C.'s review of Codex: Chaos Space Marines...
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Jinking Ravenwing Land Speeder Pilot
In your house, rummaging through your underwear drawer
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Vinegar's not for drinking, my son.
I'd like to hear an expose on how the many sackings/leavings of GW design team members in the past years affected the way things were done there. It'll never happen, but it would be interesting.
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"Seriousness is the only refuge of the shallow"~Oscar Wilde |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/08/25 08:12:24
Subject: RE: H.B.M.C.'s review of Codex: Chaos Space Marines...
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Cackling Chaos Conscript
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Beef sagaciously (is that a word?) wrote: I say change with the times but if you really cant (and there is a few of you like this) Then Good luck with that. Its a dinosaur thing to do. And we all know what happenened to them. . . Fast forward to 2011... Warhammer 40K Core Rules! 1) Prove to your opponent that your Space Marine army cost you at least $1000.00 dollars. 2) Set up your table with GW Terrain. 3) Roll a d6 to see who deploys his entire army first. 4) After deployment, roll a d6 to see who rolls a d6 for the battle. 5) The winner of the d6 roll rolls the Warhammer 40K Battle Dice: on a 1-3, your opponent's Space Marine army wins the battle; on a 4+ your Space Marine army wins the battle. Congratulations! F.A.Q. Oops! we forgot to put in the main rule page that if your opponent is NOT using a Space Marine army, you automatically win the roll to roll the 40K Battle Dice, and get to add 6 to the result. But remember, a 1 is always a failure! Roll with the times, brother, roll with the times... or else you might get wiped out by a meteor and massive climate changes! You have been warned! -Vilegrimm
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/08/25 09:41:47
Subject: RE: H.B.M.C.'s review of Codex: Chaos Space Marines...
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Novice Knight Errant Pilot
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Vilegrimm, Surely by 2011, the rules will get sorted out! After all, Jervis's son will be A) somewhat grown up and able to work out the rules or B) distracted by girls or C) distracted by his Dad having been lynched by a mob of angry gamers at the release of 5th Edition - "Warhammer 40k for dummies". (Before anyone says it, I've got nothing against Jervis personally, but everything against the oversimplification of the rules and codices! He's just responsible, amongst others, for now...) Padre^.
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"All GW will gain is my increased contempt for their business practices." - AesSedai
"Its terrible the way that conversion kit is causing him to buy 2 GW kits... " - Mad4Minis
"GW are hard to parody, as they are sometimes so stupid that the best in comedy couldn't beat them at their own game..." - Paradigm
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/08/25 09:48:41
Subject: RE: H.B.M.C.'s review of Codex: Chaos Space Marines...
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[DCM]
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I can't understand why GW consistently is dropping the ball with their 40k rules and codii but WHFB has a fantastic base set of rules and each and every army book is great (almost every entry is worth taking).
I desperately want to get back to 40k gaming instead of just modeling but they are repeatedly letting me down.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/08/25 21:10:44
Subject: RE: H.B.M.C.'s review of Codex: Chaos Space Marines...
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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With all the prehistoric analogies going around, does that make Rogue Trader the Permian Period? BYE
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/08/26 00:31:07
Subject: RE: H.B.M.C.'s review of Codex: Chaos Space Marines...
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Posted By H.B.M.C. on 08/26/2007 2:10 AM With all the prehistoric analogies going around, does that make Rogue Trader the Permian Period? BYE and that would make the new chaos codex the meteor that wipes out almost all of the complex life forms on the planet leaving it to be dominated by a bunch of ratlike creatures. It all makes sense now.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/08/26 01:54:43
Subject: RE: H.B.M.C.'s review of Codex: Chaos Space Marines...
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Daring Dark Eldar Raider Rider
Between a rock and a hard place
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I play Alpha Legion. I don't have any cult troops. I have CSM, Daemons, and Cultists. I hate Jervis.
Time to ditch my army. I can't be bothered to re-paint them to the new scheme, nor can I be bothered to re-write their fluff now that they are more renegade than Chaos.
It was fun while it lasted though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/08/26 03:58:28
Subject: RE: H.B.M.C.'s review of Codex: Chaos Space Marines...
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Hey...You see, GW did us Alpha Legion players a favor when they changed the color scheme so now we don't have to play them as Alpha Legion and can do what we want with them
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/08/26 07:41:59
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[DCM]
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Some favor, eh?
Don't give up yet though!
If there is enough of a "Traitor Legion" grass-roots campaign/complaints to GW/etc. we might get something out of it. A White Dwarf Index Astartes article?
Also, the rumored CODEX: DAEMON (Whatever) *might* allow us to get closer to what we used to be able to field.
I'm not ready to give up just yet...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/08/26 11:50:40
Subject: RE: H.B.M.C.'s review of Codex: Chaos Space Marines...
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RogueSangre
The Cockatrice Malediction
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Posted By beef on 08/24/2007 7:18 PM I say change with the times but if you really cant (and there is a few of you like this) Then Good luck with that. Its a dinosaur thing to do. And we all know what happenened to them. . .
Do you like dinosaurs? 'Cause I like dinosaurs. My favorite is triceratops.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/08/26 12:43:51
Subject: RE: H.B.M.C.'s review of Codex: Chaos Space Marines...
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Hey, Beef spelled dinosaur correctly in that post!
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He's got a mind like a steel trap. By which I mean it can only hold one idea at a time;
it latches on to the first idea to come along, good or bad; and it takes strenuous effort with a crowbar to make it let go.
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