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skyth wrote:Does Cav automatically have fleet still?

Yepper.

I ordered mine today.

Just the book, I thought £60 was a bit much for an ammo box and some plastic templates in the advance offer.

Is the whole "no more secrets" thing in the final rules set?

Started to look through this thread but at 16 pages I'll pass thanks...

Can someone please post the details for the "Run" rule, in particular:

What can run
What can't run

Thanks very much,

Viperion

TommyStriker wrote:Is the whole "no more secrets" thing in the final rules set?

Yes, just like in the leaked PDF, the contents of transports and your army list in general as explained in the rulebook is not to be kept as a secret from your opponent unless you both agree that it would be cool to do so.

Viperion wrote:Started to look through this thread but at 16 pages I'll pass thanks...

Can someone please post the details for the "Run" rule, in particular:

What can run
What can't run

What can run: Infantry, Jump Infantry, Cavalry & Beasts, Monstrous Creatures and Walkers.

What can't run: Bikes & Jetbikes, non-Walker Vehicles and Artillery.

yakface wrote:

Viperion wrote:

Can someone please post the details for the "Run" rule, in particular:

What can run
What can't run

What can run: Infantry, Jump Infantry, Cavalry & Beasts, Monstrous Creatures and Walkers.

What can't run: Bikes & Jetbikes, non-Walker Vehicles and Artillery.

Running Carnifexi! (Does happy happy dance )

Viperion

So, do deffrollas (extra hits when tank shocking) do anything against vehicles in 5th? or is tank shocking vehicles gone completely, replaced by ramming?

Only thing I'm not looking forward to is that someone at my FLGS is going to ram his wave serpents 36" so i take a S15 hit and he only takes a S8 =/

xyphoid wrote:So, do deffrollas (extra hits when tank shocking) do anything against vehicles in 5th? or is tank shocking vehicles gone completely, replaced by ramming?

Yes, tank shocking vehicles is no longer something in the rules. You are now tank shock non-vehicles and ram vehicles. So I don't think the Deathrolla will do any damage to vehicles anymore.

Red_Lives wrote:Only thing I'm not looking forward to is that someone at my FLGS is going to ram his wave serpents 36" so i take a S15 hit and he only takes a S8 =/

Ramming has to be done in the Movement phase, so I don't see how a wave serpent can move more than 24" in the movement phase (unless I'm missing something).

Red_Lives wrote:Only thing I'm not looking forward to is that someone at my FLGS is going to ram his wave serpents 36" so i take a S15 hit and he only takes a S8 =/

Except skimmer max speed is not as fast as it was.

Yakface wrote:What can run: Infantry, Jump Infantry, Cavalry & Beasts, Monstrous Creatures and Walkers.

What can't run: Bikes & Jetbikes, non-Walker Vehicles and Artillery.

Not that you are know for typoes, but can you positively confirm that Jump Infantry can Run, Yakface?

Steelmage99 wrote:

Yakface wrote:What can run: Infantry, Jump Infantry, Cavalry & Beasts, Monstrous Creatures and Walkers.

What can't run: Bikes & Jetbikes, non-Walker Vehicles and Artillery.

Not that you are know for typoes, but can you positively confirm that Jump Infantry can Run, Yakface?

Indeed. And I just noticed while checking on that, that all Jump Infantry can Deep Strike now too!

I'll have to double-check some wording in the codex but that may mean that things like winged Hive Tyrants may be able to Deep Strike as well.

yakface wrote:I'll have to double-check some wording in the codex but that may mean that things like winged Hive Tyrants may be able to Deep Strike as well.

Dear Emperor, say it ain't so.

Red_Lives wrote:

Yea you forgot star engines =/

May move an extra 12" in lieu of shooting.

So for 115pts your can have wave serpents that may move 36" with 12 front armor. That's S15 ram attacks and they only take S8 hits

Star engines are used in the shooting phase, aren't they?

And ramming vehicles take exactly the same hit back on them depending on the AV of the vehicle they're hitting, so I'm not sure how you're getting that they'll only take S8 hits.

It's:

*Each armor point above 10: +1
*Each full 3" of movement done by the rammer when they hit the other vehicle: +1
*If the vehicle is a tank: +1


So if a Wave Serpent is set up perfectly to move the full 24" before striking their target (highly unlikely), the Wave Serpent would do a S11 hit (S8 for moving 24", +2 for AV12 & +1 for being a tank).

If they hit something like an AV10 Trukk, they'll only get a S8 hit back (for the speed), but if they strike a Land Raider they'll get a S13 hit back (S8 for the speed, +4 for AV14 & +1 for being a tank).

What since when is it the shooting phase? Blasphemy

Red_Lives wrote:What since when is it the shooting phase? Blasphemy

Well, I'm not sure. I know it was in the last codex but I haven't used Star Engines since the new codex came out so I could be totally wrong.

Either way, just like tank shock you have to move in a straight line from the start of your move and its the total distance moved before you strike the target that counts, so you'll have to have enough distance at the start of the turn already to 'build up' that kind of ramming speed anyway.

I just checked, GW decided to use your ruling for star engines, so its been the shooting phase since may =/

I'm sad now

yakface wrote:

Steelmage99 wrote:

Yakface wrote:What can run: Infantry, Jump Infantry, Cavalry & Beasts, Monstrous Creatures and Walkers.

What can't run: Bikes & Jetbikes, non-Walker Vehicles and Artillery.

Not that you are know for typoes, but can you positively confirm that Jump Infantry can Run, Yakface?

Indeed. And I just noticed while checking on that, that all Jump Infantry can Deep Strike now too!

I'll have to double-check some wording in the codex but that may mean that things like winged Hive Tyrants may be able to Deep Strike as well.

Ork Stormboyz. Deep strike at will. 20" to 30" threat radius (in the turn after the Deep strike). Waaaagh!

But why deep strike them? its way more dangerous in 5th ed.

Like I said "In the turn after the Deep strike".



Edit. Fast edit there, my friend.

With a threat radius that big you don't have to worry about deepstriking close to the board edge or enemy models.

Deep strike is worse in 5th ed. Deeps trike into a forest= dangerous terrain tests

Mishap table=suck age here is basically what it means.
1&2 you die
3&4 i kill you
5&6 try again later.

You didn't read my post at all, did you?

"When do you roll on the Mishap Table? "

When a member of your unit comes into contact with Enemy models, Board edge or Impassable terrain.
This should be relatively easy to avoid.

"But then you are way out of the way and won't have much impact on the game."

Enter the big threat radius.

You forgot friendly models. And with a 20-30" threat range it might just be better to leave them off board edge and have them arrive via NORMAL reserve IE your table edge. After all a table is only 24" between sides. And with a 15+ size mob you would be surprised how easily it is to make contact with another mob.

I totally agree. It will be safer to just leave them on the board. The option to Deep strike is just a new thing (besides Zagstruk) and should ofc be considered too.

And you are right about friendly models. I stand corrected.

It sounds cool but new deep strike rules punish large squads deep striking, since its MUCH easier for them to make contact with friendly/enemy models/terrain. The mishap table is just too punishing.

The Mishap Table is a harsh mistress indeed.
My point was that some of the dangers can be lessened by using the bigger threat radius gained by Run and Rokkit move.

Leave them off table? In 5th ed all models have the reserves rule and can arrive normally on your table edge.

Yep.
I must admit I often use Stormboyz as more of a distraction, so I like to have them available from turn 1.

Blast weapons blow in 5th edition =/

Average scatter roll for a space marine plazma cannon is 3"

that makes me sad.

A non sequentur if I ever saw one.
And a repeat from another thread, none the less.