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 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
To be fair, Kragnos isn't meant to fit in with the factions. He's the last of his kind, the Destruction factions are just following in his wake it seems.

Funny thing is he'd fit great with models from two other Grand Alliances


This whole wave feels like someone just gave up halfway through designing it.

I don't know but when the first illustration was revealed I thought it was one update of the Dragon ogre Shaggoth. Should be easy to convert to one.
Not sure if its halfway project I mean theres loads of big characters with these expansions so I would think its all planned. (unlike cursed box set)

Was it just me or one of the commentators was kind of very defensive with the chat?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
AoS: Vampires. The next campaign book (Kragnos?). Outside chance of a new Starterbox.

Ok, so far so good. Didn't think we'd get a new Starterbox (hence 'outside chance'), but everything else is exactly as I thought it'd be.

Lot of characters for the Vamps. Not a fan of the big Vampire lady with the wings. Big fan of the Cursed City dude's 'Final Form'. Dire Wolves are pretty sweet.

Kragnos is a big boy. Shame he isn't ushering in a new range of Centigors.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Question for those who watched the whole stream; did we get confirmation that Soulblight are their own battletome and not LoN 2.0? The circumstantial evidence for it not being a replacement is quite piled up at this point but it would still be nice to have a definite answer.

Well yeah they have their own battletome. They showed it before in a previous article.

They said nothing about Legion of Nagash, but it's pretty obvious from what they showed that a lot of warscrolls will be replaced at best.

Otherwise, there are several vampire bloodlines obviously...to me, more than LoN 2.0, it's WHFB Vampire Counts : AoS edition.

But they said nothing much about the rules, other than "watch Warhammer Community, there will be more articles about them soon".

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I was fine with the models but updated Lizardmen would get me 100% into looking into AoS, assuming 3.0 fixes the balance issues (likely not).

Are the AOS balance issues from the core rules, or from the army books?

If the latter, then the theoretical 3.0 is unlikely to solve the issue - at best, it might just change where the problems are.

I dont like his grot, but he's super cool. Very nice to bring back the flying squig from the Rukkatruk set. I forget it's name, but it's a squig breed that's existed for awhile.

Definitely glad the vamps are more character heavy. Vampire peasants kind of defeats the whole thing that vampire lords represent. Model wise, I don't like them at all. Everything has something that I really don't care for that I find distracting. Those bataurs have everything wrong about them you see when you google "reverse centaur".

 Kanluwen wrote:
To be fair, Kragnos isn't meant to fit in with the factions. He's the last of his kind, the Destruction factions are just following in his wake it seems.

That's all fine and dandy in theory, but in practice he will stick out like a sore thumb, like bringing Nagash to an army of Slaaneshi demons. He's not meant to fit, but it still makes the army look worse, not better.

To be honest, GW undead armies were always character heavy. I mean, the base of it is powerful characters keeping the army on their feet with lots of units that are crap without them.

For a battletome named "Soulblight Gravelords", it's not that surprising the stars of the show are the characters, not the troops they lead. That there are a lot of them just show to me they want to put back the vampire bloodlines - just the AoS version of it.

Despite being the last of his kind, I'm guessing we'll get some models that would fit better with him down the line. They mention some people making idols of him, but not exactly who. Would be weird if they were just referring to ogors and orruks, unless Kragnos is getting a battle tome that combines all them into his own faction.

 GaroRobe wrote:
unless Kragnos is getting a battle tome that combines all them into his own faction.

It's... pretty damn obvious that he leads mixed armies.

Cronch wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
To be fair, Kragnos isn't meant to fit in with the factions. He's the last of his kind, the Destruction factions are just following in his wake it seems.

That's all fine and dandy in theory, but in practice he will stick out like a sore thumb, like bringing Nagash to an army of Slaaneshi demons. He's not meant to fit, but it still makes the army look worse, not better.

Or like bringing an Imperial Knight in an Astra Militarum army

So I googled battaur, and I did not expect to see that furries have nailed this concept down waaay before GW got to it. It isn't even a novel design, apparently, that's just how a large number of people imagine the concept of "bat centaur".

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
unless Kragnos is getting a battle tome that combines all them into his own faction.

It's... pretty damn obvious that he leads mixed armies.

Giants, ogres and orcs... any word on gobbos?

 GaroRobe wrote:
Despite being the last of his kind, I'm guessing we'll get some models that would fit better with him down the line. They mention some people making idols of him, but not exactly who. Would be weird if they were just referring to ogors and orruks, unless Kragnos is getting a battle tome that combines all them into his own faction.

Could a slightly more civilized beasts of Chaos rally around Kragnos? I mean if they stop worshipping Chaos undivided and just become a force to tear down the current establishment and develop a world of their own. It could be a nice battle for them to break free of the Chaos Gods to create their own society.

IHateAoS wrote:

 Brutus_Apex wrote:
Those are two very cool vampire torso’s that could have been great models if they were just normal vampires.

What a waste.

I agree, some of the best armoured vampires GW have made, completely ruined by the lower body. They look way too big for leg conversions too.

Nah, you're just not thinking creatively, there's a ton of conversion options out there.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
unless Kragnos is getting a battle tome that combines all them into his own faction.

It's... pretty damn obvious that he leads mixed armies.

Giants, ogres and orcs... any word on gobbos?

There are goblins in the army shot with him.

 Theophony wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Despite being the last of his kind, I'm guessing we'll get some models that would fit better with him down the line. They mention some people making idols of him, but not exactly who. Would be weird if they were just referring to ogors and orruks, unless Kragnos is getting a battle tome that combines all them into his own faction.

Could a slightly more civilized beasts of Chaos rally around Kragnos? I mean if they stop worshipping Chaos undivided and just become a force to tear down the current establishment and develop a world of their own. It could be a nice battle for them to break free of the Chaos Gods to create their own society.

No. They're the true children of chaos and will never be anything but chaos. IIRC they don't want to just tear things down but degenerate back into some primordial soup.

That would be something. Chaos finally gains skaven, only to lose beastmen

 Altruizine wrote:

Nah, you're just not thinking creatively, there's a ton of conversion options out there.

Have an exalt, that made me laugh out loud.

 GaroRobe wrote:
That would be something. Chaos finally gains skaven, only to lose beastmen

I feel that the Grand Alliances are too limiting as a concept. Beast of Chaos should be able to ally with some Orruks, Ogors should be able to ally with Cities of Sigmar, etc.

And of course thematically 'Destruction' is a mess. It's just 'the leftovers' grand alliance.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
unless Kragnos is getting a battle tome that combines all them into his own faction.

It's... pretty damn obvious that he leads mixed armies.

Obviously. But that still doesn't explain why GW would point out his totem on the base. "You can even spot a devotional effigy on his base, similar to those popping up all around Ghur, and beyond – now who might be building those?"

Like, we get it, Destruction loves this dude. But it's like having a night goblin on a base, with a moon totem, and them going like "Wonder who could be making those?"

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
unless Kragnos is getting a battle tome that combines all them into his own faction.

It's... pretty damn obvious that he leads mixed armies.

Giants, ogres and orcs... any word on gobbos?

There are goblins in the army shot with him.

They also specifically mentioned Gloomspite.

It seems like he will be the Destruction equivalent of Gotrek, allying in with anyone in the alliance.

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
unless Kragnos is getting a battle tome that combines all them into his own faction.

It's... pretty damn obvious that he leads mixed armies.

Giants, ogres and orcs... any word on gobbos?

There are goblins in the army shot with him.

They also specifically mentioned Gloomspite.

Cheers.
Well he would look a bit visually out of place specially with the gobbos. Giants ok with size and all, Orcs have big nasty ironjawz, ogres still look pants so whatever...but the tiny goblins with that brute huge centaur

It is fairly comical that beastmen are so neglected that they essentially got a whole new god that was then given to orcs and ogres.

 Olthannon wrote:
It is fairly comical that beastmen are so neglected that they essentially got a whole new god that was then given to orcs and ogres.

Yeah, seriously!

Imagine this guy in middle of a beastman army, would look much more at home than with those orcs and ogres. More I think of this more this bugs me.

I honestly think the vampire dragon things are pretty neat.

I don't think he looks Chaos enough to fit in well. All his gear is rounded and ornate with artistic detail in a way Chaos gear isn't. And his body is very 'natural' so much as a creature like him can be. IMO it's only his head that would look fine as a Chaos thing without modification. But that's just me of course.


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Sarouan wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Question for those who watched the whole stream; did we get confirmation that Soulblight are their own battletome and not LoN 2.0? The circumstantial evidence for it not being a replacement is quite piled up at this point but it would still be nice to have a definite answer.

Well yeah they have their own battletome. They showed it before in a previous article.

The community came up with a theory early on that the Soulblight Gravelords battletome will replace the Legions of Nagash one, and while there is evidence this will not be the case there is no explicit confirmation. Thank you for the response anyways though


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 Altruizine wrote:
Nah, you're just not thinking creatively, there's a ton of conversion options out there.

Exalted

Personally i really liked everything shown today (barring the mobile game, but it's a mobile game so who cares?). The Vengorian i actually really like. It's a perfect vision of a vampiristic monstrosity. I like the direction the vamps are going in.

About Kragnos, they said specifically in the video that he can be included in every Destruction army, either as a Grand Alliance of Destruction (duh) or in a similar way like Mega-Gargants as an ally.

About its totem, the question was asked about it and they just talked about the background (like these totems are everywhere and no one knows who puts them there nor why).

About the rules, it was said in the video he has 18 wounds and has a 2+ save with his shield. He hits hard and is resilient. Of course "watch out Warhammer Community to know more about it soon !".