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Sorry to say that Prodos is lightyears ahead of Palladium in the "sleaziest Kickstarter" competition, simply by virtue of Prodos shuttering their KS on known false IP grounds.

We should be praying that Palladium doesn't pull a Prodos, because that affects all backers far more than a handful of items sold at a game con.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Sorry to say that Prodos is lightyears ahead of Palladium in the "sleaziest Kickstarter" competition, simply by virtue of Prodos shuttering their KS on known false IP grounds.

We should be praying that Palladium doesn't pull a Prodos, because that affects all backers far more than a handful of items sold at a game con.

Before you rejoined dakka, one of the palladium topics was their forum mod locking almost every robotech topic that wasn't happy sparkling sunshine and banning most everyone that asked what was going on with robotech last summer around gencon for months regardless of whether the posts actually broke the rules. While they didn't flatout close down the forums, they pretty much shut down any talk that strayed into the negative after they announced their gencon sleazebag move and follow up sham vote. In any case, it's not a contest, just a note of the similarities in tactics between the two which has likely run its course in this thread. I hope that Prodos don't inconvienence backers and make them wait while others who paid over a year later get their stuff first at the con.

OK, fair enough.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Agree. April is not possible.

Assuming they received approval today, they would need to go through the proof process (soft proofs, then hard proofs) before going into production. Best case, they might finish their approvals by the end of April.

That still needs to print, and cut, and press, before assembling the boxes and shipping them to whereever they need to be.

To actually have finished product in hand takes more time than what they have.

Unless they are further along than they have let on of course.

Either way, they do know if they are going to meet the Salute dates or will not meet the Salute dates at this point. An update would be a good thing.

Pacific wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Agree. April is not possible.

Assuming they received approval today, they would need to go through the proof process (soft proofs, then hard proofs) before going into production. Best case, they might finish their approvals by the end of April.

That still needs to print, and cut, and press, before assembling the boxes and shipping them to whereever they need to be.

To actually have finished product in hand takes more time than what they have.

Unless they are further along than they have let on of course.

On the 17th, Jarek wrote (referring to the rule book)

We will update again as soon as we have the approval...

so if they are further along, then fool them for not saying so.
Jarek's statement was reiterated by Jim Vidlak yesterday.

As soon as we have word, trust me you will know!

and while he insists they still have time to meet the Salute target, his statement does strongly suggest they haven't gotten rulebook approval yet, and then our previous musings on how long everything might take from now are probably correct.

CptJake wrote:Either way, they do know if they are going to meet the Salute dates or will not meet the Salute dates at this point. An update would be a good thing.

Ya know, I can't help thinking that they honestly don't know. I think it's possible they habitually underestimate the length of time the project will take. They see the approval process as taking days when it's invariably weeks, and while the delays aren't necessarily their fault, they have their heads in the sand with regards to the knock-on effects. Essentially they have failed to adjust their project timelines to take into account realistic approval times, and that then has a huge effect on their target dates. I'm beginning to wonder if they've actually bothered to write and maintain a proper project plan with something like MS Project (other better project management programs are available) or if they haven't just done the entire process on the back of a cigarette packet.

biggusdoggus wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Agree. April is not possible.

Assuming they received approval today, they would need to go through the proof process (soft proofs, then hard proofs) before going into production. Best case, they might finish their approvals by the end of April.

That still needs to print, and cut, and press, before assembling the boxes and shipping them to whereever they need to be.

To actually have finished product in hand takes more time than what they have.

I'm beginning to wonder if they've actually bothered to write and maintain a proper project plan with something like MS Project (other better project management programs are available) or if they haven't just done the entire process on the back of a cigarette packet.

Based on what I can see, I feel pretty sure in saying that their Project Management consists of scribbles on a cocktail napkin, at most. The idea that this is following any sort of tools-based project process methodology, is completely out of the question. Even with overnight air shipping, there is no way they go from approval to packaged retail-grade product in 3 weeks, and everybody should already know that.

At some point they will know if they can't (when production cannot technically be started before salute)

It's much harder to know if they will hit it until fox gives an unambiguous yes : we don't know how much stuff has/will been produced in hope that it is accepted,

and it's also possible that if they get a yes they may have time to get some stuff produced and packed for pickup (or horror or horrors prizes/sales) even if it's not the full KS

I'd say the odds were against it but it's not impossible yet

biggusdoggus wrote:

Ya know, I can't help thinking that they honestly don't know. I think it's possible they habitually underestimate the length of time the project will take. They see the approval process as taking days when it's invariably weeks, and while the delays aren't necessarily their fault, they have their heads in the sand with regards to the knock-on effects. Essentially they have failed to adjust their project timelines to take into account realistic approval times, and that then has a huge effect on their target dates. I'm beginning to wonder if they've actually bothered to write and maintain a proper project plan with something like MS Project (other better project management programs are available) or if they haven't just done the entire process on the back of a cigarette packet.

I wish they had some semblance of a length of time this project will take.

Jarek Ever
hi all, we should have some update for you on Friday as we have seen some movement on the FOX tracker. Thanks.

Hopefully Good Friday means good news?

 Alex C wrote:
Hopefully Good Friday means good news?

I don't know, 'Good' seems kind of an ironic label for having your savior tortured and put to death. I bet we get 'good' news.

Jarek Ever
well, update tonight on the KS, Rob promised to do it As for the rules, the team done fantastic work with proofing it. The problem is that every sentence must be check by the Fox, even the game rules , for IP reasons. With our other IP, the Mutant Chronicles, rule wise, that is not the case . So we have done all requested corrections and answered a lot of questions regarding the Fluff (for examples: source of Alien Warriors Acid Split attack, or source of the Yautja word ect.....), well, I totally understand this one, believe they may be worrying that we will add something new to the cannon that fans might not like it. So I am now confident that the March's 15 revision is the last one...

Jarek Ever
[Approval status] it sits on the tracker with 3 peoples, 2 of them reviewed and one more to go

Jarek Ever
and I was hoping to get something this week as it was the break point to get the game for the salute (well in fact its Wednesday next week). We have been in contact with Fox and we have been assured that the Prodos is on the top of the list. Other that waiting and keep sending annoying mails we can't do much more.

Rob Alderman
We are asking 3 or 4 times a day for more information.

The items outside of the main boxed set are still pending approval (packaging) because we do not want to stray their focus from the main boxed set. We got so far with the other packaging, but we are not submitting anything new until the main box is done.

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This is rumor control, here are the facts.

We are still striving the start shipping AvP by Salute, we are still waiting on that final approval. Two of three at Fox have signed it off and the third has made it clear that this is his top priority right now. So it might be just after Salute, if this happens we can only apologise for the further delay.

We invite you to come by and check out our stand at Salute, we will have something special on display. We can't say too much, but it's very exciting indeed!


We promise more news as we can share it and once again thank you all for your patience.

Finally, we hope you are all having a great 4 day weekend, celebrating Easter!

Thanks, The Prodos Games Team

You heard it here first, the AvP stand at Salute will have a big special sign that says " Soon!"

So the Wednesday deadline has been and gone without an official update

Jarek Ever
and I was hoping to get something this week as it was the break point to get the game for the salute (well in fact its Wednesday next week). We have been in contact with Fox and we have been assured that the Prodos is on the top of the list. Other that waiting and keep sending annoying mails we can't do much more.

although, just seen this on the FB page...

Rob Alderman
I'll be discussing some points at beasts of war, which will be up on the weekender. I've not heard from Jarek, but we are still working our nuts off on it. One thing I cab say is that our point of sale and advertising material is currently being approved by the rest of the team.

FB comment
can you say weather or not any of the printed materials have been or are currently being produced? or will that be in a forth coming update?

Rob Alderman
We're printing all of the fully approved elements.

These guys are a joke.


I wish I had a way to cancel at this point. I canceled other KS orders and have sold off a ton of stuff due to an upcoming move to a smaller place, but as much as I rag on Prodos and their gak poor communications, really did want a good Aliens board game. I'm past wanting it at this point.

 CptJake wrote:
These guys are a joke.


I wish I had a way to cancel at this point. I canceled other KS orders and have sold off a ton of stuff due to an upcoming move to a smaller place, but as much as I rag on Prodos and their gak poor communications, really did want a good Aliens board game. I'm past wanting it at this point.

I'm sorta feeling the same way......

If someone is going to Salute, I'd like to see pictures of their big reveal, please.

It will be a Fox executive tied to a chair.

No, it will be a table which appears to have a bunch of boxes stacked on it, but they (whatever they really are) will be covered by a black cloth with Fox and Prodos logos printed on it.

Prodos reps will then inform anyone interested enough to ask that 'There is some GREAT stuff, but they can't show us yet, but expect to be able to share SOON!'

 cincydooley wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
These guys are a joke.


I wish I had a way to cancel at this point. I canceled other KS orders and have sold off a ton of stuff due to an upcoming move to a smaller place, but as much as I rag on Prodos and their gak poor communications, really did want a good Aliens board game. I'm past wanting it at this point.

I'm sorta feeling the same way......

Yeah pretty much feel the same way. I want an aliens board game but at this point I don't really want it anymore as I've moved on to other things. They stopped responding to my emails about a refund.

BoW Weekender has an interview with Rob from Prodos. AvP is covered from 31:22 - nothing new in it still waiting for 1 signature from FOX to approve the boxed game, everything bar the printed materials is done. They still hope to have it available for backers to pick up at Salute and have it on sale to public as well.

http://www.beastsofwar.com/the-weekender/weekender-hunting-prodos-avp-salute-2015-list/

 DaveC wrote:
BoW Weekender has an interview with Rob from Prodos. AvP is covered from 31:22 - nothing new in it still waiting for 1 signature from FOX to approve the boxed game, everything bar the printed materials is done. They still hope to have it available for backers to pick up at Salute and have it on sale to public as well.

http://www.beastsofwar.com/the-weekender/weekender-hunting-prodos-avp-salute-2015-list/

I still hope they un-feth themselves and learn to communicate with us backers.

But as the saying goes, Hope is not a method.

note: Without that hyphen, the filter doesn't catch that word.

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Jarek Ever
Can we wait until Tuesday please, some key peoples are back to work Monday from their holidays at the FOX and we need to make few phone calls.

Jarek Ever
Robert I totally agree with you, however to our defend I would say that dates are based on what we have been told... it's really annoying to find out that the main person is on its holidays after being told to us that we are on the priority list. We have planned again, production with printing company and so on ... for us, this situation is also beyond a joke and my blood boiling was reached last week... good that in our team we have peoples with long fuse as well, otherwise I am not sure how this would end up (Mark I am looking at you). What I can add is to say sorry for this mess, waiting time and we will more after the weekend.

I'm not familiar with how long printing takes, but even if it was approved today, having it ready for Salute seems... ambitious?

I'd certainly like to be a fly on the Prodos stand at Salute. Interesting conversations will be had, I'm sure.

It usually takes more than 2 weeks to go from start of print to retail shrink, assuming that Prodos does any proofing.

If they just say "feth it", then low quality, unproofed print is possible.

Wow, I really wanted to get into this KS, but refrained (some of the pics used for the KS made me nervous, after the Robotech train wreck).

I'm glad I didn't go in on this. Feel sorry for those who have been waiting for it to unfeth itself.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
It usually takes more than 2 weeks to go from start of print to retail shrink, assuming that Prodos does any proofing.

If they just say "feth it", then low quality, unproofed print is possible.

I'm really hoping 'The Fox Factor' prevents this. Hell, I'd be quite surprised if a number of full production quality proof prints didn't have to be returned to Fox at the start of the print run for further approval.

but there's that hope word again ...

 Stormonu wrote:
Wow, I really wanted to get into this KS, but refrained (some of the pics used for the KS made me nervous, after the Robotech train wreck).

I'm glad I didn't go in on this. Feel sorry for those who have been waiting for it to unfeth itself.

I'm largely in the same boat. I was really interested (my nid army is mostly clix aliens and I've got over a dozen preds as well) but for me what stopped me was the lack of value during most of the campaign. The value was there at the pledge level I was interested in ($150ish one) during the last few days but by that point my enthusiasm was sapped. I resigned myself to paying full retail for lonly the figs I want and even used this KS as an example of how to keep backers updated correctly; obviously that has changed significantly. It is though alot less concerning to watch this sputter from the sidelines unlike with robotech where I went in.

 DaveC wrote:
BoW Weekender has an interview with Rob from Prodos. AvP is covered from 31:22 - nothing new in it still waiting for 1 signature from FOX to approve the boxed game, everything bar the printed materials is done. They still hope to have it available for backers to pick up at Salute and have it on sale to public as well.

http://www.beastsofwar.com/the-weekender/weekender-hunting-prodos-avp-salute-2015-list/

qft

relax people and stop blaming Prodos. There's a lot of pointless red tape to this and it (allegedly) is hinging on just 1 Fox exec to sign off. Fox isn't even disputing anything, they (allegedly) love the product. But w/ big corporations, just getting 1 exec to sign something takes time. Hard to believe they're busy, I know...