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Yeah, blood angels just don't seem unique enough to me, but I didn't know they'd try to take up the arts in order to suppress their inner beast. That's kind of cool, actually.

GAWDDAMMIT! YOU NEED TO RANK THE CODEXES FASTER!

I probably should start working on the next one right now.

But instead of doing that, I'm going to go play Earth 2160.

Melissia wrote:I probably should start working on the next one right now.

But instead of doing that, I'm going to go play Earth 2160.

Meh, Earth 2150 was a lot better in my opinion. Of course none of my computers will run it so I'm stuck with 2160, still not complaining still a decent game.

On a more on topic note; I'm glad the Daemons haven't shown up yet, I've got a bet going with my 40K buddy about who's going to win out of the three armies we each have. So far I'm down CSM and Nids and he's lost Tau and now Blood Angels, going to be a close thng...

That Blood Angel summary made me want to re-read the codex. I think you wrote about the BAs better than I have seen GW do. Maybe its my cynicism or lack of overall interest in(and thus a lack in my reading about) them.

Or not.

Nice.

You're still mean to Chaos fans... I still only picked CSM cause I had thought they were different, knew them from Dawn of War and I really like war.. oh and guns.

Blood Angels would have to be my loyalist Space Marines of choice. I wouldn't have got into them if it weren't for the Space Hulk release, though. I'm a sucker for Terminator armour. Melissa has done a great job of articulating what makes them interesting, or rather I like the same things about their background.

I have to admit they aren't easy to develop a theme for, besides blingtastic conversions. It's not that there aren't good things in the codex, but there are too many, and they don't really share a clear theme. Assault troops backed up by mechs and tanks that look like the Louvre decided to conquer the universe?


Waittaminute...

micahaphone wrote:Yeah, blood angels just don't seem unique enough to me, but I didn't know they'd try to take up the arts in order to suppress their inner beast. That's kind of cool, actually.

I'm not sure it's solely to suppress their inner beast; they're a chapter inspired by Renaissance Italy, for the most part, at least in terms of their culture, and so the argument could be made that they do it just because they're creative. They're creative superhuman killing machines. It's that dichotomy that interests me, actually; they create works of art, and in combat, they can't wait to lose their minds and get in close to rearrange anatomy with chainswords.

As far as the feel of their playstyle...I think it loses a lot of flavor when it gets devolved down to Razorspam. They can do an all-jump list, which no other SM army can do, and that's pretty nifty. A pure deep strike army is also completely viable with them, and I don't think that's true with anything other than Daemons. So they have that going for them. Trouble is, those builds aren't seen as being as competitive as Razorspamming.

Renaissance Italy Beserkers? Thought they were greek.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Renaissance Italy Beserkers? Thought they were greek.

Not as far as I can tell.

Melissa that ranking honestly didn't feel negative to me. It sounded like you actually liked them. But I digress...

I just think Blood Angels are overpowered. Like Melissa said, they do everything really well, and don't do an awful lot poorly. There is the whole rage thing...but that isn't even that big a deal. Since they are so strong in close combat, running at the enemy laughing maniacally isn't a negative. Deep striking Land Raiders? As if land raiders weren't strong enough already, now you can put them at the enemy's door stop turn 1!

Im a rare Dakka who actually doesnt like the new models. Those guys with the wings look like they just came back from an all male night club

As a non-gamer, if the BA are good at everything, wouldnt this effect their points cost?

PraetorDave wrote:Melissa that ranking honestly didn't feel negative to me. It sounded like you actually liked them. But I digress...

I just think Blood Angels are overpowered. Like Melissa said, they do everything really well, and don't do an awful lot poorly. There is the whole rage thing...but that isn't even that big a deal. Since they are so strong in close combat, running at the enemy laughing maniacally isn't a negative. Deep striking Land Raiders? As if land raiders weren't strong enough already, now you can put them at the enemy's door stop turn 1!

Honestly, the BA codex is pretty well-balanced for being the newest book - which only means it's going to suffer horribly from codex creep. Space Wolves are a much stronger codex. Blood Angels have a lot of toys, but toys is really all they are - deep-striking Land Raiders is horribly dumb to actually do in a game, and provides negligible benefits should it actually work, rather than mishap due to having a gigantic footprint. Rage is actually more of a detriment than a benefit.

What's good in it are FNP/FC Sanguinary Priests, fast vehicles, and the ability to Razorspam better than anybody else.

Seaward wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Renaissance Italy Beserkers? Thought they were greek.

Not as far as I can tell.

Renaissance Italy drew inspiration from the rediscovery of classical Greco-Roman culture in general. The more baroque sculptural stylings do also have a more Hellenistic feel, though. Especially the masks.

Yeah I have agreed with you on every codex. And Especially on the Blood Angels.

So far I agree with the standing list. Melissia = my new hero sorry GWAR lol :p

Oh, just remembered, I need to edit the first post to include Daemonhunters and Blood Angels...

Yay! I caused an update lol. I cant wait to see where my guard fit into this. I think #1 would be just fine *Slips you a 5$ bill* keep that change and buy yourself something nice lol

Really? Are we unimportant to you, Melissia? I don't blame you. I know JUST how you feel.


Anyways, I love this thread.

I await the next update/post/whatever!


....because I actually don't have much to say about the BA. sigh.

Melissia wrote:I was hoping a certain Saint would amuse me with another prediction. But somehow I figure he might have predicted:

I didn't predict anything 'cause I was away on a mod-funded vacation.

But I totally was waffling between SW and BA for this entry. 50% chance I would have picked the right one!

Anyway, Melissia hates putting Marine codices in rankings consecutively (Daemonhunters excepted), so Eldar are next.

I personally hate the BA codex most out of all of the marine dexs. I dislike their fluff, I dislike some of the new power president that it sets for the game, I dislike how little divergent they actually are considering they are supposed to be a divergent SM chapter.

PraetorDave wrote:Melissa that ranking honestly didn't feel negative to me. It sounded like you actually liked them. But I digress...

She does.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

PraetorDave wrote:Melissa that ranking honestly didn't feel negative to me. It sounded like you actually liked them. But I digress...

She does.

A cookie to the Canadian!

I find it refreshing to read an assessment of the BA dex that isn't all "team edward, bat nipples, flying landraiders hurrrrr."

Melissia wrote:I probably should start working on the next one right now.

But instead of doing that, I'm going to go play Earth 2160.

Good call...

And for that, I'm going to reinstall The Moon Project right now.

Arschbombe wrote:I find it refreshing to read an assessment of the BA dex that isn't all "team edward, bat nipples, flying landraiders hurrrrr."

Bat Nipples were mentioned twice

Oh, quiet. That doesn't count. I predict that it was all Tzeentch's plan to get his faction in a low place...

Tzeentch's faction isn't in a low place. WHy, I haven't yet listed Chaos Daemons.

I'm still wondering when Space Wolves will pop up.

But the fact we are above all the other chapters makes me feel warm inside.