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Madmax1 wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:Ok the big thing on the left is one of those sphinxes. It is called Perspective people. He is the same size as the other two.

No, I don't think so. The article on the GW website says "If the small things in the middle of the picture are Warsphinxes, what in the name of Settra are the huge things on either side?" which to me is a hint that the things on the side are something bigger and different then the Warshpinxes. Plus, the one in the forefront appears to be similar to the one in the background, which is huge compared to the stuff in the middle. So, by way of Perspective, if it's further away and still much larger, it must be significantly bigger then the Warsphinxes. Right?

Maybe I am looking at the wrong thing. These are the two that I am saying is the same thing:

I'd put (but I'm not going to before anyone suggests) money on it being a bone giant. It looks to be standing upright (particularly it's closest hand) and appears to be postured and modelled differently to the Sphinxes. Along with the GW sneaky sneaky preview talk...

I reckon it's a Bone Giant and that the kit would look like a cross between the Sphinxes and existing model, as GW seem to be (understandably) keeping to the Egyptian theme more with this release.

Of course this is just speculation however.

Tomb King wrote:A unit of 10 and you can lose a few models with that artillery dice being unfriendly :(

However, A unit of ten can inflict up to 100 automatic hits if your dice goes crazy. That is broken!

Very true, but a unit of ten could be annihilated instantly by Gateway, that's broken too

Tantras wrote:Ahhhhhhhhhhhh, some rules! Can somebody with some decent software handy zoom and tidy this image please?

I have a big monitor so I just read it. Pretty cool. Got the sphinx by chance?

Lord Scythican wrote:

Madmax1 wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:Ok the big thing on the left is one of those sphinxes. It is called Perspective people. He is the same size as the other two.

No, I don't think so. The article on the GW website says "If the small things in the middle of the picture are Warsphinxes, what in the name of Settra are the huge things on either side?" which to me is a hint that the things on the side are something bigger and different then the Warshpinxes. Plus, the one in the forefront appears to be similar to the one in the background, which is huge compared to the stuff in the middle. So, by way of Perspective, if it's further away and still much larger, it must be significantly bigger then the Warsphinxes. Right?

Maybe I am looking at the wrong thing. These are the two that I am saying is the same thing:

I think you're correct, and that the third tall object in the picture is something different - perhaps a colossus as people suggested.


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Tomb King wrote:

Tantras wrote:Ahhhhhhhhhhhh, some rules! Can somebody with some decent software handy zoom and tidy this image please?

I have a big monitor so I just read it. Pretty cool. Got the sphinx by chance?

Afraid not; this was just a direct steal from the GW site.

Lord Scythican wrote:

Madmax1 wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:Ok the big thing on the left is one of those sphinxes. It is called Perspective people. He is the same size as the other two.

No, I don't think so. The article on the GW website says "If the small things in the middle of the picture are Warsphinxes, what in the name of Settra are the huge things on either side?" which to me is a hint that the things on the side are something bigger and different then the Warshpinxes. Plus, the one in the forefront appears to be similar to the one in the background, which is huge compared to the stuff in the middle. So, by way of Perspective, if it's further away and still much larger, it must be significantly bigger then the Warsphinxes. Right?

Maybe I am looking at the wrong thing. These are the two that I am saying is the same thing:

Its an Ushabiti (sp?). That two handed blade is very distinctive.

CadianXV wrote:
Its an Ushabiti (sp?). That two handed blade is very distinctive.

That blade is probably part of an upclose shot of a Ushabti. When the painting was cropped it made it look like the sphinx is holding it.

Now this may be a bone giant:




But if it is, it is way too big to be a warhammer model. That thing is $700 sized.

Fair point, and not something I'd considered.

There also appears to be a Lich Priest riding the top of its head to give an idea of scale.

I guess it could just be some gnarley, skullish background scenery, too

Agamemnon2 wrote:I can't really fault the design aesthetic of these very much, since out of all the FB armies, the Tomb Kings have perhaps the best reasoning for being bedecked in absurd amounts of gold and decorations. I do think it's a bit sad that all the releases are focused either on elite units or giant monsters when their core elements are in desperate need of renewal.

And where are all the special characters? :-P

To be fair, I wouldn't mind ornamentation...

If it weren't the "Funny hat skulls everywhere" ornamentation that every single other army has, with the only difference being where the skulls are stuffed and what shape the funny hats have. I mean, would it kill them to do some sun-related stuff for the TKings? Or something from any of the other pantheon members from the Time of Legends books? I just know people are going to whinge at me if I say "It's not what they use to be," going "Well fluff changes!", but, er... wasn't that the entire point of "Time of Legends", ala Horus Heresy, to set down just what happened and to change some fluff points / set new things down?

NAVARRO wrote:1- Tomb Guard- This box set regiment is boring, all skellies look like that have no neck and heads stuck on torsos, these poses are way to similar even for rank&file, the music horn is ridiculous big the helms gives the illusion that the oversized GW head styles are even bigger... these are OK 10 years ago... today? Sorry they look dated and boring to paint and assemble... The only thing interesting is the vulture on the banner...

New problem I just noticed about TGuard: They really are nothing more than Funny Hats. Those helmets wouldn't even cover a significant chunk of the head.

"Helmets" and shields are the only two things that put me off, really, with Helmets more than shields (since the skull could be explained as them being a post-Nagash TK bunch). Odd how such small things (Incubi using Klaives instead of Halberds, Tomb Guard helmets) seem to bother me more than "big" things.

NAVARRO wrote:2- Necropolis Knights - The concept is as bad as it gets... tries to much to be original but its juts dumb... a skeletton that barely can walk is now a pro surfer on a giant snake with a mask... the cobra head the bones are kind of not that good and its neither a dead cobra neither a living one so it looks bad... the skellies themselves are nice detailed but the concept ruins everything.

Concept is what killed it for me too. Tomb Kings aren't an army of undead beings made together by angry Tomb Kings, which seems to be the new fluff. They were a raised army of the dead that was still kept together and disciplined.

When I heard "Tomb Kings are an army of Constructs", I thought they meant something like the first Time of Legends book on Nagash. Ushabti, Sphynx's, Tomb Scorpions, Bone Giants, stuff like that. Stuff they were already confirmed to have, and would make sense with what we'd seen. Not... Snake-Riding Skeleton Warriors. Bedecked in skulls and bling. It just leaves a poor taste in my mouth.

Will there be any more models released in the coming days?

CadianXV wrote:Fair point, and not something I'd considered.

There also appears to be a Lich Priest riding the top of its head to give an idea of scale.

Exactly. So if you take the three Sphinxes from left to right, you can also get a good size idea for the bone giant looking thing. That thing would be at the very least, 18 inches tall. More than likely it is scenery, like something sculpted from rock, (think pyramids, etc.)

kirsanth wrote:If there are more options and more models for less money, I do not see that as a bad thing.

That is exactly the attitude GW is hoping for. They try to grab a little more every time and every time enough people apparently bend over for them. The thing is that their pricing is just too damn inconsistent and random.

Just sticking with Fantasy, they give us plastic Savage Orcs for 10 euros less (because they are core and not a special choice?) a little over a month ago, and now this.
Plastic Temple Guard & Black Orcs & Grave Guard are special choices also and they are cheaper. Chaos Knights get a ton of parts & way more plastic in the box, and they are only 19,50 (I consider this one of the best money/value kits out there). Ten Flagellants are 22,50 and a rare choice. Etc.

These Tomb Guard are nice but thin models. No way they can justify these guys to be more expensive than all of the above-mentionted items.

This is the same conversation that has already been held so often though. It's useless because seemingly it's unlikely a large enough portion of GW's customers will ever get enough backbone to draw the line, but it sure as hell deserves it to be said when they (GW) pull another fast one on us.

It's definitly not an Ushabti, you can see one on the far right. As for the thing in the distance it's quite likely a scenery piece, with the other thing a Necrolith Colossus. I dope it's not the new Bone Giant as it seems far too animal like. I thought that the lore puts the bone giant as, well, a big skeleton man. Hoping it and the Ushabti get decent re-sculpts and plastic sets, along with an ace new core and that huge flaming bird mount that was rumored for the Lich Priest. Definitely some decent scope for conversion, and a lot of stuff to make core skellies more exciting.

Tantras wrote:I dare say some people would take that, although they'd be in the minority.

Maybe they'd create a whole new market for themselves though. Who knows how profitable it would be

How good do these guys (Tomb Guard) perform on the battlefield btw?

A box of 40K TH/SS Terminators is overpriced as well compared to what you get in the box, but at least they are rock solid on the table. The Greatswords I once got (at 40% off) for my Empire warband haven't really been as good in the field as their $ cost would/should indicate.

TBD wrote:It's useless because seemingly it's unlikely a large enough portion of GW's customers will ever get enough backbone to draw the line, but it sure as hell deserves it to be said when they (GW) pull another fast one on us.

So my spending less money on more models shows a lack of backbone?



I would think that spending more money on less models shows a lack of financial savvy, but I must be missing something.

Feel free to buy the medal models instead just to show off your, uh, backbone.

Cheers.

TBD wrote:

kirsanth wrote:If there are more options and more models for less money, I do not see that as a bad thing.

That is exactly the attitude GW is hoping for. They try to grab a little more every time and every time enough people apparently bend over for them. The thing is that their pricing is just too damn inconsistent and random.

Just sticking with Fantasy, they give us plastic Savage Orcs for 10 euros less (because they are core and not a special choice?) a little over a month ago, and now this.
Plastic Temple Guard & Black Orcs & Grave Guard are special choices also and they are cheaper. Chaos Knights get a ton of parts & way more plastic in the box, and they are only 19,50 (I consider this one of the best money/value kits out there). Ten Flagellants are 22,50 and a rare choice. Etc.

These Tomb Guard are nice but thin models. No way they can justify these guys to be more expensive than all of the above-mentionted items.

This is the same conversation that has already been held so often though. It's useless because seemingly it's unlikely a large enough portion of GW's customers will ever get enough backbone to draw the line, but it sure as hell deserves it to be said when they (GW) pull another fast one on us.

Very fair point, there is a lot of inconsistency. Stromvermin and clanrats, both core for the same army, with the same amount of models in each box, and whilst the Stormvermin are bigger, does that justify a 10 pound price increase? The Souls casket, 30 quid? and what is it? One model on a stand. It's made of metal sure, but why is so expensive? And BloodKnights! Great model for sure, but each one isn't that much bigger than your Chaos Knight, there cost justification? They're made of metal. Why the hell are they made of metal? they are so similar to Chaos Knights it's just irritating looking at the price. You could buy a battalion for that amount of money, just go and buy a whole army rather than 5 metals in a box.

Didn't notice this posted yet, but the What's New section has a 360 of the Warsphinx and also mentions that,

"These two colossal creatures are both phenomenally powerful and almost completely indestructible: there aren't many creatures out there that have a toughness of 8 (yes, you read that correctly - 8). "

Pretty beefy. Depending on the armor save it'll be pretty durable. Low armor save=bait for massed itty-bitty attacks (or poison).

kirsanth wrote:So my spending less money on more models shows a lack of backbone?



I would think that spending more money on less models shows a lack of financial savvy, but I must be missing something.

Feel free to buy the medal models instead just to show off your, uh, backbone.

Cheers.

I am not talking about buying the metal models or whether or not they are worth their price. The metal models are not involved in this conversation.

Every customer, no matter whatever you are buying, should demand to get the best value for his/her money's worth. That is what this is all about.

If GW can produce for you a plastic kit like the new Savage Orcs for 22,75 euros, then they can & should charge you the exact same price for a comparable kit of ten Tomb Guard fellas who undoubtedly have about the exact same number of extra options on their sprues.

But they don't. Instead they charge you 10 euros more for it. Because they feel like it and they know the sheeple will pay it anyway.

In other words: you are not getting the best value for your money.

What exactly about that do you not understand?

I am not calling you out this specifically, but I find this way of thinking that is being displayed by such a large % of the people in the hobby in general very disturbing. It is exactly why GW is still getting away with their pricing shenanigans.

TBD wrote: I am not talking about buying the metal models or whether or not they are worth their price. The metal models are not involved in this conversation.

Every customer, no matter whatever you are buying, should demand to get the best value for his/her money's worth. That is what this is all about.

If GW can produce for you a plastic kit like the new Savage Orcs for 22,75 euros, then they can & should charge you the exact same price for a comparable kit of ten Tomb Guard fellas who undoubtedly have about the exact same number of extra options on their sprues.

But they don't. Instead they charge you 10 euros more for it. Because they feel like it and they know the sheeple will pay it anyway.

In other words: you are not getting the best value for your money.

What exactly about that do you not understand?

I am not calling you out this specifically, but I find this way of thinking that is being displayed by such a large % of the people in the hobby in general very disturbing. It is exactly why GW is still getting away with their pricing shenanigans.

Here's the point you are missing. Even accounting for the (temporary) bandwagon effect, GW knows it'll sell fifty boxes (more, really) of savage orks for every one box of tomb guard. It's economies of scale in action. First you have to amortize the fixed costs over a much lower sales volume, then try to make a reasonable profit. I say reasonable profit for the enterprise (production of plastic updates to an existing metal model line) as a whole, not the individual sale of one box to one customer. If they can get by making two euros profit per box of orks, they'd have to make a hundred euros per box of tomb guard for it to have been worth their while to do it in the first place. For low volume armies like TK and SoB, getting the models at any price is...cheap. If you insist that they sell them at the same profit margin as space marines, they just won't make them in the first place.

march10k wrote:

TBD wrote: I am not talking about buying the metal models or whether or not they are worth their price. The metal models are not involved in this conversation.

Every customer, no matter whatever you are buying, should demand to get the best value for his/her money's worth. That is what this is all about.

If GW can produce for you a plastic kit like the new Savage Orcs for 22,75 euros, then they can & should charge you the exact same price for a comparable kit of ten Tomb Guard fellas who undoubtedly have about the exact same number of extra options on their sprues.

But they don't. Instead they charge you 10 euros more for it. Because they feel like it and they know the sheeple will pay it anyway.

In other words: you are not getting the best value for your money.

What exactly about that do you not understand?

I am not calling you out this specifically, but I find this way of thinking that is being displayed by such a large % of the people in the hobby in general very disturbing. It is exactly why GW is still getting away with their pricing shenanigans.

Here's the point you are missing. Even accounting for the (temporary) bandwagon effect, GW knows it'll sell fifty boxes (more, really) of savage orks for every one box of tomb guard. It's economies of scale in action. First you have to amortize the fixed costs over a much lower sales volume, then try to make a reasonable profit. I say reasonable profit for the enterprise (production of plastic updates to an existing metal model line) as a whole, not the individual sale of one box to one customer. If they can get by making two euros profit per box of orks, they'd have to make a hundred euros per box of tomb guard for it to have been worth their while to do it in the first place. For low volume armies like TK and SoB, getting the models at any price is...cheap. If you insist that they sell them at the same profit margin as space marines, they just won't make them in the first place.

An interesting rebuttal. I hadn't looked at it this way before.

TBD wrote:[In other words: you are not getting the best value for your money.

What exactly about that do you not understand?

I have no Tomb Guard and would like some, I find it confusing that now that I have a more efficient option available, someone is asserting I (as a customer) lack backbone for purchasing them.

And yes, the metal models DO factor in, as they are the other option to use.

Hope you all dont like customizing your Tomb king for that mount! He comes assembled like black reach!

Well the beauty of plastic is ease of conversion, no? I think I can find a way to get a different looking model up in that Howdah...

Tomb King wrote:Hope you all dont like customizing your Tomb king for that mount! He comes assembled like black reach!

Well did you think GW was going to put a fully customizable Tomb King in the Sphynx box? I did not. I didn't even think the Sphynx would look at all like it does, and considering there is only one Tomb King model after they took away the one with Great Weapon, this is a welcome addition, means I don't have to buy either a Tomb King or Lich Priest in my current plan for my new Tomb King army.

Hopefully the new Tomb King range is like SM and DE, all the parts can be swapped and interchanged so I can spruce up my all my humble core Skeleton Warriors with some Tomb Guard goodies

I'm loving the Sphinx. Like the Giant Spider before it, it is an excellent looking model. I deeply dislike fantasy battle but I can see me owning one and making it into some sort of ancient Martian war engine.

Ok there is just no way that large thing on the right is a Necrolith Colossus. It is a Necrosphinx. The blade is an upclose shot of someone's human sized weapon. They have been cut out of the picture through cropping. The blade does not belong to the large creature, because you can clearly see both hands holding it. So unless this supposed "Necrolith Colossus" has two right arms, then the blade doe snot belong to it. When you take the blade out of the equation, the thing looks exactly like something built from the Khemrian Warsphinx/Necrosphinx kit.

Why do they tease us with pictures of the Sphynx without showing us what it can do?

Necropolis Knights look decent. Spectral Stalkers not so much. I wonder if TK can ride those snakes.

Lord Scythican wrote:Ok there is just no way that large thing on the right is a Necrolith Colossus. It is a Necrosphinx. The blade is an upclose shot of someone's human sized weapon. They have been cut out of the picture through cropping. The blade does not belong to the large creature, because you can clearly see both hands holding it. So unless this supposed "Necrolith Colossus" has two right arms, then the blade doe snot belong to it. When you take the blade out of the equation, the thing looks exactly like something built from the Khemrian Warsphinx/Necrosphinx kit.

If that's a human sized weapon then i'm Vanilla Ice. That clearly belongs to the giant thing on the left side of the picture. I fail to see a 2nd hand holding the weapon, i see one at the top end of the weapon and then two sections of the haft / or handle. If it was somebody coming across then the artist decided to have a ninja jump 3 feet away from the camera during the snap shot. Also you can see in the picture that the thing on the left has many different ornamental pieces then you see on the Sphinx's. It's something completely different. I don't imagine GW would have personally asked what we thought it was if it was just another sphinx.

Amaya wrote:Why do they tease us with pictures of the Sphynx without showing us what it can do?

Necropolis Knights look decent. Spectral Stalkers not so much. I wonder if TK can ride those snakes.

Here is what it can do, join my Thousand Sons army!



Just add more blue and gold.