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BrassScorpion wrote:??? Tomb Kings packaging hasn't changed in years. But some of it at least likely will NOW similarly to how they quietly raised the price of the Orc Warriors as I detailed above.

It's changed for the new release:



It's still 16 skeletons, still $35. Stop freaking out.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote:??? Tomb Kings packaging hasn't changed in years. But some of it at least likely will NOW similarly to how they quietly raised the price of the Orc Warriors as I detailed above.

It's changed for the new release:



It's still 16 skeletons, still $35. Stop freaking out.

I was hoping to see a re-sculpt of these guys. The weapons have too much of a European feel, especially the ball and chain.

-Jim

Lots of people wrote:Man these snake surfing skellies look silly, I could totally come up with a better undead Egyptian beastie

Now, if I could just find five more cheap Bone Giants and antique LOC heads...

I have seen the codex. Feel free to ask me questions.

A few things.

LHP is just over 200 points /w lvl 4 upgrade.
Liche Priests are just over 100 points /w lvl 2 upgrade.

Khalida sucks.
LHP special character looks really meh.
Prince Apophas has a terrible model imo.
Arkhan is level 5 thanks to a magic item, but if it is destroyed he loses a wizarding level. Must take Lore of the Dead.
Settra is a beast, but is pushing 500 points.
Settra's Herald gains a 5+ KB and a 5+ Ward Save in challenges.

3x Necropolis Knights are just under 200 points. Don't seem overpriced to me. About the same as 15 Tomb Guard.

ASFAIK the special character Necrotect's rule for constructs only allows the 5+ to be rerolled so Knights can't reroll their 3+ save.

lindsay40k wrote:

Lots of people wrote:Man these snake surfing skellies look silly, I could totally come up with a better undead Egyptian beastie

Now, if I could just find five more cheap Bone Giants and antique LOC heads...

There is supposed to be a new bone giant model in the second or third wave. Maybe you can pick up some of the current ones on the cheep once the new ones come out.

-Jim

saw the new codex. The cover looks a lot better in hard cover. The Units are awesome. I really love the King's personal herald guy. The book is gorgeous, the art is good and there are tooons of new units as well as all of the old ones.

Is an all chariot feasible? Not on a tournament/WAAC level, but at least competitive enough to not suck in friendly games.

Amaya wrote:Is an all chariot feasible? Not on a tournament/WAAC level, but at least competitive enough to not suck in friendly games.

I've been thinking about that as well. Throw up a thread in the WHFB tactics section. Lets see if we can get some good discussion going.

-Jim

Amaya wrote:I have seen the codex. Feel free to ask me questions.

I've read everything posted so far (I think) and haven't seen any reference to the way that TK handle magic. Sure, I've seen the new spells and items, but there was a lot of speculation before the book was produced that incantations would go (true) and they would be replaced by some sort of immunity to miscasts. Can you shed any light on this?

Cheers.

Just a reminder:
If you hate a GW model and don't mind the price (no plastics), you might want to browse the Wargods of Aegyptus range:
https://www.crocodilegames.com/store/itemList.cfm?catID=14&sort=prodID

















Don't forget to look at their Icons, Artifacts and Shields range for nice bitz:
https://www.crocodilegames.com/store/itemList.cfm?catID=23&sort=prodID









(Sorry, no undead horses)

Interesting alternatives, Kroothawk. Cheers!

Have you got any of these yourself? Do you know how they look with regards to scale next to the official GW stuff?

Anyone planning on grabbing the old battalion before the price change?

Or is it a good idea just forget about the battalion altogether
if the charriots and cavalary arnt too impressive compared to the new kits anyways?

LunaHound wrote:Anyone planning on grabbing the old battalion before the price change?

Or is it a good idea just forget about the battalion altogether
if the charriots and cavalary arnt too impressive compared to the new kits anyways?

I've been mulling this over for a while now too. I have no interest in the cavalry at all, so I think I'll be giving it a miss.

The chariots are nice/good fun though arent they?


I may pick up an old Battalion if I can find one in time, definately not paying £70 for the new one :/

Tantras wrote:

Amaya wrote:I have seen the codex. Feel free to ask me questions.

I've read everything posted so far (I think) and haven't seen any reference to the way that TK handle magic. Sure, I've seen the new spells and items, but there was a lot of speculation before the book was produced that incantations would go (true) and they would be replaced by some sort of immunity to miscasts. Can you shed any light on this?

Cheers.

Unless I completely missed something, Priests are just normal casters now. It looked to me like Hieratic Hierachy is gone. You're still required to have a Hierophant, which must be your highest level caster, and must take Lore of Nehekera.

@Tantras - I have played the game and seen most of the line for Wargods, it is fun not amazing as a game on it's own. The figs are fairly nice I would give them a B+, almost every fig I saw was done fairly well, kinda simple, wish there was more detail but they are a smaller line and it is to be expected, I would say they are better than Reaper's best and worse than GW's Best.

@LunaHound - I have bought up half the battalions in Chicago yesterday going store to store buying out what they had. The math is simply too strong:
35 dollars a box * 4 boxes in the battalion = 140, so even if you don't use 1 whole box you are still coming out in the good for 90 bucks, further it was fun to show the managers what was going on and talk to them.

I am shocked at GW's behavior on this release, I don't think they could mess this up more if they tried. There are still GW stores without the book and with the rampant rumors going on about how sooo much has changed those stores are simply not buying. There is talk of redoing all the core skeletons in a later wave with obvious done models, why would anyone go and buy a whole new core selection after starting the army or is the concept really to buy some sphinxs and tomb guard and wait? I normally side with GW as they have must have done something right to this point to be who they are, but whoever the project manager is on this, really needs to get fired. I have seen the book... awesome... I have read the army list... love it... I think this army will be one of GW's best when FULLY released (which isn't happening in May), but atm it is in a sad state. It is a shame.

I ordered a bunch of Wargods models to use as unit champions and characters a while back. And for the most part they look nice and took paint well.

The non mummy models have a bit less detail then their GW counterparts. But the mummy types look great.

I'm loving the new Tomb Guard models in particular. It's fueling possible conversion ideas for a Thousand Sons army...

any news on SC liche priest...khatep?
I know he is nehekharan loremaster but what items? Point cost?
And I heard that khalida in only around 200p.... But not sure
And IMHO chariots are worth it d6 impact hits and +1str for each rank... And for 15p more than old ones. And command is cheaper than before

-unforgiven-

the unforgiven wrote:any news on SC liche priest...khatep?
I know he is nehekharan loremaster but what items? Point cost?

Gosh darn it, I was at my store yesterday flipping through the book. I was interested in the new units and not the SC so I cant remember a lick of the new ones

Uktabi wrote:There are still GW stores without the book and with the rampant rumors going on about how sooo much has changed those stores are simply not buying.

They are not buying because shops can't order yet.
And many shops now have the book, mine since today.

Haters gonna hate Kroohawk. The Tomb guard look better in person.

sexiest_hero wrote:Haters gonna hate Kroohawk. The Tomb guard look better in person.

My distaste is not the quality of the models, just the stylistic change and price change (Or, more accurately, lack of one). I liked the old helmets and "so-so" ornamental level of the old Tomb Guard, and the lack of price reduction between a change from metals to plastic has no real excuse besides "Increasing costs because we figure they'll be a good unit / high sellers". On the plus side, if they sell as well as many people have been planning lists out for 'em in, they could probably make up for the next two army books' costs with just the TK alone - every person who buys just one unit of 30 is putting out $135 for a plastic unit that, individually, cannot cost that much more than a box or two of Clanrats to make.

Price and style get my ire, only models I really dislike for non-style reasons I pointed out a few pages back.

Someone asked a page ago about high quality plastic fantasy models, and I just thought I would mention AoW.

I very much like Crocodile Game's stuff, especially their mummies. Their spartans are also very cool.

The thing that gets me about GW's pricing is that they get you on both ends. They charge a fortune for 'elite' figures, saying that the price reflects the points cost and that it is an elite unit. However, their regular rank and file guys are not cheap either. Case in point, the price rise in the TK battalion. They have no reason to raise the price on those models. They were practically giving away the old skeletons when the Maryland Bunker closed.

I agree with Uktabi, this was a botched release.

Minsc wrote:On the plus side, if they sell as well as many people have been planning lists out for 'em in, they could probably make up for the next two army books' costs with just the TK alone - every person who buys just one unit of 30 is putting out $135 for a plastic unit that, individually, cannot cost that much more than a box or two of Clanrats to make.

That's not a plus side. That just encourages them to charge an equally high price for future kits.

the unforgiven wrote:any news on SC liche priest...khatep?
I know he is nehekharan loremaster but what items? Point cost?
And I heard that khalida in only around 200p.... But not sure
And IMHO chariots are worth it d6 impact hits and +1str for each rank... And for 15p more than old ones. And command is cheaper than before

-unforgiven-

Khatep sucks. He's nearly twice the cost of a HLP.

Khalida is well over 300 points and only confers her BS to skeleton archers. Ushbati and the Colossus are only BS2 so their shooting option are meh imo.

Casket looks like a must have in any competitive list and possibly the Hierotitan also.


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Kroothawk wrote:

Uktabi wrote:There are still GW stores without the book and with the rampant rumors going on about how sooo much has changed those stores are simply not buying.

They are not buying because shops can't order yet.
And many shops now have the book, mine since today.

And my LGS got it in yesterday.


A little more, Stalkers are just a tad more than Ironguts and Knights are 15 points more than Stalkers. Both Sphinxes are under 230 base. Both Giants are under 200 base.

Arkhan can be the general and hierophant and I believe Settra can as well. Arkhan can take a chariot, two extra steeds, and can make it fly, but I'm unsure if the extra steeds are required to make it flying. If not he clocks in at 440 with the flying chariot I believe.

I have to disagree on the outlook of the Apophas model. That thing is awesome. I can understand if you do not think that a mummy made out of scarabs is lame, but the look of that model is nothing short of epic.

Cheers

EDIT- Necropolis Knights are only 10pts more than the Sepulchral Stalkers.

I dislike a lot of the new things surrounding the book.. mostly that they still offer a lot of bound spell options but made you reliant on winds of magic again just like anyone else.. so vs Dwarfs or Empire or High Elves, you aren't casting much at all.

Yea, there's a few way to bring in some new dice, d3 at a time, but all in all I feel they should have kept incantations in.

Second is Buried Beneath the Earth... the new It Came From Below... you cant charge popping up anymore..

3rd is Kahlida.. 360ish points for what she does.. A nerf to her poison gifting, a nerf to her magic missile staff, and a nerf to her stats all around.. LAME.

The Heirotitan, Scarab Swarms, and basic skeletons are the big boosts to the book in my opinion.

Amaya: Sad that Khatep is so expensive becouse he would be only way to be 100% sure you get all nehekharan spells you want...oh well
and I dont think casket is must have coz light of the dead is level5 bound spell now so you probably use (almost) all dice you get for that...and It doesnt stack....
heirotitan is good, I agree with that, atleast for magic heavy army


And some people say that chariot sucks but I disagree with that. Yes the are expensive, yes they have Low save (like all TK) but the make double the damage that used to AND command is cheaper.
worth it IMHO.

-unforgiven-

Will there be any TK related Black library books coming out ?