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You know, TK is something that I've thought might get me into WHFB at last. But, sitting here thinking, if Necrons are seriously on the horizon I think I'll go for them instead.

A lot depends on that Sphinx, TBH.

Fafnir wrote:And once again, GW fails entirely at getting anyone excited for anything.

But hey, if GW wanted to make sure no one gave a crap about their upcoming products, they're doing an excellent job of it.

+1 QFT

Nothing more than a "hey, look forward to this without knowing anything about it" sort of thing.

Tomb kings are cool. They're my first choice for starting a fantasy army. Maybe this will inspire me to move away from space mans and scary elves

Samus_aran115 wrote:

Fafnir wrote:And once again, GW fails entirely at getting anyone excited for anything.

But hey, if GW wanted to make sure no one gave a crap about their upcoming products, they're doing an excellent job of it.

+1 QFT

Nothing more than a "hey, look forward to this without knowing anything about it" sort of thing.

Yes, never mind that there's 3 months between now and May when the release is set. Clearly, they're not going to say anything at all or ever put anything on preorder.

Clearly.

I think what everyone is missing is the fact that they are releasing three armies right in a row: O&G in March, Grey Knights in April, Tomb Kings in May-there is no break between armies right now. Even if they aren't redoing all old models in plastic right now, they're making an effort to get armies out to us as quickly as possible. Lets look on the bright side, right? They could have waited til August for Tomb Kings or something, but we have 3 armies in a row AND the "big" summer for fantasy (if that isn't just an unfounded rumor). I say look at the positive. We can all whine if the models end up looking like crap, but most GW stuff coming out recently is great, and they are making an effort to get lots of stuff out all at once. Lets focus on that, shall we?


edit-sorry Hulk and Kan, didn't see your posts before I put out mine-lets just add mine in agreement to yours

The "incoming" stage of GW marketing is pretty useful from GW's perspective. Hence this thread.

I agree. I mean, I'd much rather they actually previewed/showed some models with it, but at least we know its coming etc. and its better than nothing...

I imagine there are various reasons for not wanting to say which models are getting replaced. The obvious one is that you don't want to undermine your current stock. That also means not underminding your stockists, for that matter -- think of the FLGSs, people.

Some of the criticism of GW is hard to take seriously. People are always going to talk a whole lot more than they are going to spend. The demand for the idea of new miniatures will never decrease but the demand for the miniatures themselves is another matter. That said, if pictures of the infamous minotaurs and "pumbagore" were officially released a month before the preorders went up, would sales have been any worse? I'd think not but I don't really know.

I really couldn't be less excited. I'm just not a big fan of TK. Probably my least favorite army besides Lizardmen. Anxiously awaiting GKs.

New WEs or Brettonians might get me back into WHFB.

Manchu wrote:The "incoming" stage of GW marketing is pretty useful from GW's perspective. Hence this thread.

Would it be nice to see more?

Yes, it would. But GW's effectively in the Dark Ages of internet marketing, with no traces of the Renaissance in sight.

Kanluwen wrote:But GW's effectively in the Dark Ages of internet marketing, with no traces of the Renaissance in sight.

Um, I think the "incoming" emails are pretty saavy. It gets people talking about something they now know will happen for a good while before you're ready to do preorders. Not sure what is not smart about this.

Manchu wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:But GW's effectively in the Dark Ages of internet marketing, with no traces of the Renaissance in sight.

Um, I think the "incoming" emails are pretty saavy. It gets people talking about something they now know will happen for a good while before you're ready to do preorders. Not sure what is not smart about this.

It's saavy to an extent.

But the "Incoming!" emails are about as saavy as they get, with their website being used more as a supplemental piece to White Dwarf rather than being its own entity and serving a separate role.

*moment of silence for Black Gobbo*

If the Skeletons don't get an update I'll be dissapointed because the current ones look like Neanderthalls.

Manchu wrote:Some of the criticism of GW is hard to take seriously.

This I definitely agree with. I'm not an apologist or anything, nor am I a 'hater', but whilst GW do make a LOT of mistakes, they also get a LOT of unnecessary flak IMHO.

And whilst I agree with some of your other comments Manchu, I do believe a bit more a teaser would be helpful and showing new models/units (eg. Sphinx) would compensate for some of the problems you mentioned IMHO.
But I'm not really going to complain about Incoming! emails. Afterall, One is better than none...

Kanluwen wrote:
Yes, it would. But GW's effectively in the Dark Ages of internet marketing, with no traces of the Renaissance in sight.

Can there be made a HBMC alert button?

Just Dave wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
Yes, it would. But GW's effectively in the Dark Ages of internet marketing, with no traces of the Renaissance in sight.

Can there be made a HBMC alert button?

Ask Legoburner. Although I'd guess HBMC would ask to have it removed from having his PM box flooded daily.

I dunno, Dave. A month of "that looks like gak" isn't really what GW is after. Cf. chibihawk and dreadknight.

Manchu wrote:*moment of silence for Black Gobbo*

Black Gobbo was a step in an okay direction, but it really was a GWUS innovation and could have used a lot more work on polishing it up.


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Just Dave wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Yes, it would. But GW's effectively in the Dark Ages of internet marketing, with no traces of the Renaissance in sight.

Can there be made a HBMC alert button?

Contrary to popular belief, I do have plenty of issues with GW. I just don't see what good it does to foam at the mouth or constantly spout them on an Internet forum.

Manchu wrote:I dunno, Dave. A month of "that looks like gak" isn't really what GW is after. Cf. chibihawk and dreadknight.

You know what the solution to that is...

... Don't release something that looks like crap.


Easier said than done of course, but the majority of GW's plastic kits are very nice.

I mean, imagine if a kit as schweet as the Sanguinary Guard, Aracknarok (or gobbo assassins), Dark Eldar anything really, or whatever was previewed. I'm not saying its flawless or that I'm a business expert, but I would've thought that some kind of preview would be beneficial.
As I said though, I'm thankful for there being any Incoming emails...

Just Dave wrote:

Manchu wrote:I dunno, Dave. A month of "that looks like gak" isn't really what GW is after. Cf. chibihawk and dreadknight.

You know what the solution to that is...

... Don't release something that looks like crap.

Crap is in the eye of the beholder, though(for example, I think the Plastic Trygon looks like crap with its tiny claws vs the amazing beauty of the FW version). See any N&R thread related to PP for proof.

Manchu wrote:I dunno, Dave. A month of "that looks like gak" isn't really what GW is after. Cf. chibihawk and dreadknight.

Two solutions to that one:
1, Better angles on their pictures.
2, Sculpts that look better.....

Just Dave wrote:

Manchu wrote:I dunno, Dave. A month of "that looks like gak" isn't really what GW is after. Cf. chibihawk and dreadknight.

You know what the solution to that is...

... Don't release something that looks like crap.

"Looking like crap" is entirely relative. I like the Stormraven. I just think it looks like crap in that bright, Blood Angels red. If they'd wanted to show it off better or get a positive response, I would have painted it with a few more spot colors than just that red.

The Dreadknight though is just a horrible idea and horrible execution.

Easier said than done of course, but the majority of GW's plastic kits are very nice.

I mean, imagine if a kit as schweet as the Sanguinary Guard, Aracknarok (or gobbo assassins), Dark Eldar anything really, or whatever was previewed. I'm not saying its flawless or that I'm a business expert, but I would've thought that some kind of preview would be beneficial.
As I said though, I'm thankful for there being any Incoming emails...

But who are you trying to make the preview beneficial for? Veterans are likely to be buying the stuff anyways. Newcomers aren't likely registered for the newsletter, etc.

Manchu wrote:That said, if pictures of the infamous minotaurs and "pumbagore" were officially released a month before the preorders went up, would sales have been any worse? I'd think not but I don't really know.

The only way sales for those pieces of dog crap could have improved is if they didn't allow you to see the models before purchasing them. Just black boxes that say "Beastmen Minotaurs" or "Beastmen Razorgor" on them.

Well I better shut up before I give them more ideas...

But think of all of the upcoming Transformer related jokes that everyone has to look forward to because of the dreadknight.

And this means that we really dodged a bullet when the Blood Angles didn't get a Bloodnaut.

O&G aren't really a new release they just sorta made more models to go with them by adding in the big spider thing, and a army book hardcover with different art, I miss when they Re-vamped an army and everything got renewed, Like the wood elves everything in that was bran new on their last update, same goes for the vampire counts damn near everything was renewed. They did a good job on the dark eldar and space wolves but left a shat load of models out. Meh i don't know my two cents there anyway looking forward to seeing what tomb kings will bring up from the tomb
*crosses fingers for necrons next* :p

xVoid

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
GW resculpt the skelly horses they were the first models i perchased over 20 years ago and they were poo then !!!

Call me pleasantly surprised, I figured TK would be in the fall.
Still in the first year on 8th they will have only updated 2 armies, unless they have a july/august WHFB release.

@chaosxvoid you dont need new necrons just get tomb kings and paint them silver !

Awesome news. To top it off, the GW link wouldn't load the page for me from my inbox, so I came to Dakka. And Dakka did not disappoint

This is great news - and I don't even play Fantasy. The reason I'm enjoying this so much is this is the first time in I can't tell you how long that GW has previewed a new release before its prior release is even out yet. Maybe this is a turn to a new marketing strategy! Hardcover books and quicker release statements!

This would be like them announcing Grey Knights before DE even hit the shelves. Maybe we'll see more of this trend in the future!

Awesome news.

Other half is a BIG TK fan, so a more up to date book will be a good present