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Just wondering what people think the safe options to buy are?

I'm looking at starting tau in a few weeks once I get my wolves painted and dont want to buy something thats going to be useless.

Anyone heard any rumours about fire warriors being replaced?

No.

What I would say is that you will not save money by waiting. Any release of new models is likely to be a reason for putting the prices up.

The only reasons not to buy major units now (by which I mean Fire Warriors, Suits and Vehicles) are if you particularly dislike the current kits or hope for much nicer kits in the future.

FW, Kroot and vehicles will most likely stay, at least that's where the rumours are going atm.

I bought an extra battleforce last week (even though I easily have a years worth of stuff yet to build ), EU prices are redicilous as it is, 30 euro for either kroot, FW, or a devilfish, 95 for the b-force, but the b-force contains an extra stealthsuit team and crisis suit. Now I ordered it from a UK reseller at 40-something pound, for a grand total of 55 euro. Even if they make a few new kits of half the stuff in the b-force (which is not likely, them already being plastic and all), you still get more then your moneys worth from the rest. Besides the crisis suits all plastic tau models are fine as they are now anyways.

How about heavy weapons in FW squads? I will still not take alot of FW if only their BS increase.

FW are unlikely to get special/heavy weapon options, and even more unlikely to get a BS increase...

I think with Ethereal they should get an increase in their BS but as for heavy weapon the suits squads will still out number the FW squads then.

New sprue without a model change to the current crisis suits would severely irritate me to no end. I've grown to dislike the current design of the suit more and more over the years. And being forced to buy the same old gakky model for new weapons would make me cry.

As for FW, there needs to be a way to buff there somehow. Without heavy weapon options (or any options for that matter) they continue to be a pretty useless unit in my opinion. I will happily take any new FW options, heavy or not, as long as it makes them more than a free killpoint I have to take to satisfy the deployment rules. For me I hate objective control games because the Tau really lack troop choices to do so. So I would really like an incentive to bring more FW. Right now my army typically contains three times the kroot broken up into smaller squads for objective control and harassment.

**Derp Spelling

I think they are going to give the Firewarriors the right tools they need to be a useful unit, whether it be a significant points drop, a change to the rapid fire mechanic to make them more lethal, or the edition of some sort of defensive countermeasure system.

Would it necessarily be out of character for the FW squads to get an option for special weapons? Not heavies, of course.

I think it would be. Its one of the elements that makes the army unique. The only other army with a non-upgradeable basic troop choice is the Necrons.

From the fluff perspective, Firewarriors are supposed to be elite riflemen, comparable to grenadiers, and the pulse-rifle is supposed to be the ultimate infantry weapon putting out firepower capable of felling the toughest opponent and even light vehicles. The heavy support/special weapons are supposed to be provided by drones/suits and other elements of the army.

Fair enough. You're right, pulse rifles practically ARE special weapons already.

Really what made me ask that question was a FW I had converted back when I had Tau that was shooting a tripod mounted PR. Pretty sweet conversion, if I say so myself... but I guess you're right, somewhat out of character.

Has this pic from awhile ago been posted?

I don't think so. Is it serposed to be a dermirig head scaled up or something?

I believe it's an alleged Demiurg head.

chaos0xomega wrote:I think it would be. Its one of the elements that makes the army unique. The only other army with a non-upgradeable basic troop choice is the Necrons.

Actually, Necron troops are indeed upgradable. The upgrade is hidden in the Overlord retinue, that can be split among the units, maximum one per unit per retinue. So Crypteks are the hidden heavy weapon upgrade for Necron Warrior units.

Maybe the sniper unit could be added to a FW squad. depolyable seperately or together and it wouldn't compete with heavy or elites. Jut speculation I know, just seems to make sense.

I dunno, if I see the sniper suit as being an upgrade to an existing unit then I think it would make more sense for them to be attached to stealth suits.

But, since we don't really know the details of a "sniper suit" we can't really know what their purpose will be....

IMO, Tau special/heavy weapons should be as a "platoon" type thing. I.E. You can purchase a unit of firewarriors and then a special weapon team consisting of three firewarriors with rail rifles. They deploy and operate independently. It fits with the Taus doctrine of tactical flexibility while maintaining the Firewarriors focus on being riflemen first and foremost.

chaos0xmega - isn't that what the Sniper Drone Team basically is?

Kroothawk wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:I think it would be. Its one of the elements that makes the army unique. The only other army with a non-upgradeable basic troop choice is the Necrons.

Actually, Necron troops are indeed upgradable. The upgrade is hidden in the Overlord retinue, that can be split among the units, maximum one per unit per retinue. So Crypteks are the hidden heavy weapon upgrade for Necron Warrior units.

Very good point KH.

And this is EXACTLY how I would love to see it done with Tau - in upgrade drones.

Sniper drone, flamer drone, EMP Launcher drone, Deep strike drone, etc.

Here is a question - any chance we might get ANY of the FW units? I herd there is some rumored "FW and GW don't mix" policy, which from both the perspective of a business guy AND a customer, I think is insanity. I would love to have ralai (with a point reduction) in a tau dex.

Many items in the 4th Edition Tau Codex first appeared in Forge World's Imperial Armour Three.

I think there is a lot of cool stuff on the FW side for Tau, but the only things I am especially interested are Hazard Suits and Tetras.

I think that "policy" is a load of bullcrap. The IG book is like 1/2 Forgeworld units now, the nids book got the Trygon, The Dark Eldar whateverwing fighter is basically a modified nightwing... The only example I can think of of an existing FW unit being replaced by something entirely new in a rulebook is Ogre Kingdom Rhinox Riders being replaced by Mournfangs... but they have slightly different rules (Rhinox Riders = way better) and the stated reason for that was that "Rhinoxen are beasts of burden, not cavalry mounts" which I think is total bs but whatever.

As for Sniper Drone Teams, yes, that is sort of what they are, but who the hell would waste a heavy support slot on them? They should be part of a troops choice IMO.

or an upgrade for a pathfinder team

Sniper drone team as an upgrade for FW would be ace. Maybe even with variations in ammo types. Great idea btw.

what i would like to see is a transport that is equiped with alot of fire points or is open topped so that the fire warriors can shoot out but still have the added mobility to avoid close combat and the extra protection of armoured hulls. The biggest downside of the devilfish (besides the ridiculous point cost) is the lack of firepoints.

I agree with dlust1 on this one. I think there is a rumer about two? new transports. a "kroot dropship" and something else, but they're old so I can't be certain. I could see an opentopped transport, but how would it work? i can't see tau using a kind of moving fort techneque or anything like that.

dlust1 wrote:what i would like to see is a transport that is equiped with alot of fire points or is open topped so that the fire warriors can shoot out but still have the added mobility to avoid close combat and the extra protection of armoured hulls. The biggest downside of the devilfish (besides the ridiculous point cost) is the lack of firepoints.

Basically a FoF without the need to do any work. For a long time now I have been wanting an open top transport in the Tau army that could be fired out of. I honestly picture advanced armies doing this kind of thing and not allowing themselves to get in harms away. Even more so in this games love for melee. Tau knowing they would die would totally do something like this. I would do this now even with current FW stats. I mean just take your devilfish and have your friend pretend its open top for a match or two and be amazed at the damage out put it can do. Then cry as you remember everything in creation now has power weapons and one manages to catch up to your vehicle.

The main problem of the Tau is the troop choices, thats common sense, something GW should do to improve this, and also, improve all the Tau army with a few changes is, Tau Sniper Drone = troop Choice, or a new upgrade for FW wich team composition of FW should have been reduced to 8 and 4 slots for upgraded characters as the a new Sniper Team, with a Tau Controller in Sniper suit for better control of Drones and better movility (This i think, will be freaking osom) with this, an actually useless choice, would get more popularity and get some practical use.

With this new way to assemble FW, a Tau Commander would have more options of choice, also being able to get 2 Defensive Suits, counting 1 as 2 Special unit slot, with special capabilitys similar to Defensive Drone, with no Firepower, but bulky and effective against Melee, making a FW team less weak and not a free kill pint, ofc this units will be Guardians, and give cover like a normal Rhino. There are so many possibilities with this easy arrangement... Its a same, its never gonna happen.

Also, i would made XV15/25 Troop Choices, and reduce it points cost, wich is way too high for what you get, from 30 to 20-15, make of them a scoring unit, similar to Dawn of War: Dark Crusade.

Pathfinders should have a new ability to be able to target different units, 5 Markerlights (I assume everyone uses the lil`Railgun guys) just for 1 unit per turn, when the max BS is 5 its kinda... Useless, even if you can also debuff their cover and Leadership.

This is everything i think should be a major priority, to make of the Tau army, a more competitive one, and become able to have way more choices for everyone. This way, Demiurgs as Elite Choices, wouldnt make of Shadow suits an even worst option, it will improve place for more Fast Attack units (Improvement of the Piranha?), Heavy Supp (I really dont know WHY is the sniper drone a heavy choice).

Sorry if i made many mistakes with the writting >-< Imma doin my besta to improf it

ghost21 wrote:

MajorWesJanson wrote:The main doubt I have about rail rifles on XV-25 stealth suits is that they already have a full plastic kit, so would need to make a finecast suit with that option, or not have a model for it. I think it is just a conversion.

Three drones is odd, but that doesn't look like a railrifle drone. Maybe a shield drone? It also looks like a mod. It doesn't use the drone body, but the burst cannon top from a hammerhead.

I'm still thinking from a buisness point of view, the best idea for a redone Crisis suit set is a box of three, with parts to upgrade one into a commander, one into a broadside, and one into something else. Probably a lot of parts on it, like special issue wargear and weapons, plastic shield drones.

N that is exactly how I saw it folks

1 last thing a date ?? Maybe feb/march this could be swappEd with by though

all reffering to this link: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=19700007a&_requestid=3085862

thought this might be interesting ; )
(the "by" was probably ment to be a "bt")