Rumour about changes of GW paint range (now with paint names and colour diagram)

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**biccat**

I guess I don't get what GW is trying to do here.

I can't imagine anyone switching from Vallejo or Reaper to GW simply because of a name change. In fact, the name change would make it more difficult to switch.

I also can't imagine that this would lead to more (or even the same number) of sales from casual fans of GW's products. If you run out of Ultramarine Blue, are you going to pick up Vallejo's "Ultramarine Blue" (or whatever), or "Macragge Blue" and hope it's the same product.

Hardcore GW fans will likely continue to buy GW paints for a variety of reasons, but this seems like an unnecessary expense (can you imagine all of the time that went into picking the names alone?) for a small, if any, increase in product awareness.

Personally, I'll stick with Vallejo. They're a lot closer to all of the old GW painting articles I have.

**yakface**

Yeah, just like 'XV-88' screams...uh...some color.

And you can now paint your ultramarines with a base of Macragge Blue, glaze it with Guilliman blue and then layer it with Calgar and Thunderhawk blue (Thunderhawks are blue?).

Since when are Elysians green?

It really does seem like they put up a big poster with all their trademarked names on it, set out each new paint color and threw a dart at the poster to pick the name for it.

But whatever. I like their paints, so as long as they are at least as good, I'll be fine.

**Alpharius**

biccat wrote:
Personally, I'll stick with Vallejo.

Same here!

I think GW could have increased sales by keeping the same names on existing colors and increasing the range of paints with... new paints!

As it is, they seem to be creating a large amount of confusion for little to no discernible gain.

I'll muddle through t to find the few things I like (washes and some foundations) and if something awesome is introduced (or reintroduced in terms of discontinued colors making a comeback) - great!

**Kroothawk**

biccat wrote:I guess I don't get what GW is trying to do here.
I can't imagine anyone switching from Vallejo or Reaper to GW simply because of a name change. In fact, the name change would make it more difficult to switch.

1.) I guess this is a consequence of stopping paint production in China. They had to find an alternative and used the opportunity for a big change. Manufacturer change couldn't guarantee exact identical colours, so all were renamed, even safe ones like Knarloc green.
2.) Paint range will about double. New lines like structural paints are introduced. Gives a boost to painting in general and paint sales in specific.

**PhantomViper**

I'll stick with Vallejo for normal colours but I can't wait to try out some of their new Foundation, Washes and Textures (whatever they are).

**FrozenSoul80**

Some of these names are ridiculous. New colours are great. Completely removing names that have been in use for twenty years aren't so great.

**redbristles**

FrozenSoul80 wrote:Some of these names are ridiculous. New colours are great. Completely removing names that have been in use for twenty years aren't so great.

Exactly, I dont see why they had to change the old ones at all, they could have surely just introduced the new paints with new names, now literally every painting guide they have previously published is out of date so we'll have to buy th-.... I see what they did there.

**gilljoy**

Kroothawk wrote:Screaming Bell seems to be a Foundation bronce. Nightshade seems to be Badab Black, Oil a metallic wash I guess.

Always love to have more options with paints. Also curious about the structure paints. Sound like fun.

BTW Release should be April, guess third week after Empire releases.

Oil could be the same as vallejo smoke or something similar?

**FM Ninja 048**

XV-88
The fang
Dawnstone
Dark reaper
Emperors Children
Auric Armour(metal)

really, these don't sound like paints at all, how did they chose these, randomly?

**Goatboy**

Alpharius wrote:
biccat wrote:
Personally, I'll stick with Vallejo.

Same here!

I think GW could have increased sales by keeping the same names on existing colors and increasing the range of paints with... new paints!

As it is, they seem to be creating a large amount of confusion for little to no discernible gain.

I'll muddle through t to find the few things I like (washes and some foundations) and if something awesome is introduced (or reintroduced in terms of discontinued colors making a comeback) - great!

I totally agree here.

Conspiracy theorist out there?

Why change names?

Was it just to get us all to 'want' new colors?

Do they take us for stupid that we will all run out an buy new paints because of a name?

Do they think we will look at the pretty new display and automatically think hell I dont have McCrag blue so I need it, even though I already have a pot and a half of Ultramarine Blue.

I think they purposfully changed the names to stop us from temporarily buying competitors colors.

Someone will eventually satisfy us with a cross reference chart. showing the equivialnt former GW paints name by name. Not long after that we will get another reference chart showing the equivilants of all GW paints to other brands.

Ask yourself this. Do we need paints that say dry? Are these actually dry pigments we need to mix like Tamaya paints or are we just to use them for dry brushing...
Does that mean we will not use the other paints for dry brushing... I see no reason to lable the paints in this way.

Paint, is pigment suspended in a medium. Depending what or how much of the medium is there we get washes and glazes.

No matter the name they call it we will use it for something else.

Could you imagine Coke or Pepsi ever changing names of their best sellers?

This whole thing screams dumb to us...

But.... like the rest of us sheeple Ill wait and buy them as they will look good on a shelf

so four drunk GW execs get together at a strip club and pow wow for a new idea on how to bilk us out of more money. One drunk says to the other I got it...

Drunkingly they wander into the dart board area and put the list on the wall and start chucking darts at it. They hold up a pot of new uber color and wherever the dart lands this is the name of the color... BTW the XV number is actually the model number of the dart board... ooops

**Samus_aran115**

yakface wrote:

The new paint names from the same source as before:

Spoiler:

BASES
Ceramite White
Averland Sun
Jokaero Orange
Mephiston Red
Khorne Red
Naggaroth Night
Daemonette Hide
Kantor Blue
Macragge Blue
Caledon Sky
Stegadon scale green
Incubi Darkness
Caliban Green
Waaaagh! Flesh
Castellan green
Death world forest
Zandri dust
Steel Legion Drab
Bugmans Glow
Ratskin Flesh
Mournfang brown
XV-88
Rhinox hide
Dryad bark
Mechanicus standard grey
Celestus grey
Abaddon Black (the only black in the range)
Rakarth flesh
The fang
Screamer pink
Leadblecher (metal)
Balthasar Gold (metal)
Screaming Bell (metal)
Warplock brown (metal)

LAYER
White Scar
Yriel Yellow
Flash gitz yellow
Troll slayer orange
Fire dragon bright
Evil sunz scarlet
Wild Rider red
Wazdakka red
Squig Orange
Xereus Purple
Genestealer Purple
Warpfiend Grey
Slaanesh Grey
Alaitoc blue
Hoeth blue
Altdorf guard blue
Calgar blue
Teclis blue
Lothern blue
Sotek green
Temple guard blue
Kabalite green
Sybarite green
Warpstone glow
Moot green
Warboss green
Skarsnik green
Loren Forest
Straken green
Nurgling green
Elysian green
Ogryn camo
Ushabti Bone
Screaming skull
Tallarn sand
Karak stone
Cadian fleshstone
Kislev Flesh
Bestigor flesh
Ungor flesh
Skrag brown
Deathclaw brown
Tau light Ochre
Balor brown
Zamesi brown
Doombull brown
Tuskigor fur
Gorthor Brown
Baneblade Brown
Dawnstone
Administratum grey
Eshin grey
Dark reaper
Thunderhawk blue
Skavenblight dinge
Stormvermin fur
Ulthuan grey
Pallid wych flesh
Russ grey
Fenrisian grey
Pink horror
Emperors Children
Ironbreaker (metal)
Runefang steel (metal)
Gehennas gold(metal)
Auric Armour(metal)
Hashut Copper(metal)
Sycorax Bronze(metal)
Brass Scorpion(metal)
Runelord Brass(metal)

SHADES
Casandora Yellow
Fuegan Orange
Carroburg Crimson
Druchii Violet
Drakenhof Nightshade
Coelia greenshade
Biel-tan green
Athonian camoshade
Seraphim Sepia
Reikland fleshshade
Agrax earthshade (Devlan Mud)
Nuln Oil

DRY
Praxeti White
Hexos palesun
Kindleflame
Lucius Lilac
Etherium blue
Skink blue
Hellion green
Underhive ash
Eldar Flesh
Tyrant Shell
Terminatus stone
Longbeard grey
Changling pink
Necron Compound
Golden Griffon

GLAZE
Lamenters yellow
Waywatcher Green
Guilliman blue
Bloodletter

TEXTURE
Mourn Mountain snow
Stirland Mud
Blackfire Eath
Astrogranite
Armageddon Dust
Lustrian Undergrowth

TECHNICAL
Lahmian Medium
Ard coat
Imperial Primer
Liquid Green stuff

Oh my heavens. I almost fainted. So many paints

This kind of sucks though. it's easy to say:
Basecoat boltgun
Highlight Chainmail
Wash badab
Highlight Mithril

Now I have to say something way more complicated.

I'm guessing
Ironbreaker (metal) == Boltgun
Runefang steel (metal)== Chainmail
Gehennas gold(metal)== Shining Gold
Auric Armour(metal) == Mithril Silver
Hashut Copper(metal) == Dwarf Bronze
Sycorax Bronze(metal) == ??
Brass Scorpion(metal) == Brazen Brass?
Runelord Brass(metal) == ??

Might not have paid attention, but we're missing some paints here, most importantly burnished gold (which was gakky, IMO)

No black or brown glaze either.

**silent25**

<looks at list>
My head hurts! Ugh, l highly suspect next months WD will be popular due to it having a paint chart in it

**Goliath**

FM Ninja 048 wrote:
XV-88 - The brown that the Tau Battle-suits are painted for 'eavy metal models?
The fang - A very light blue, like ice, because the Fang is on an ice planet?
Dawnstone - Absolutely no idea
Dark reaper - A very dark grey, similar to that used on the current 'eavy Metal Dark Reapers?
Emperors Children - A pink, probably quite close to tentacle pink
Auric Armour(metal) - A gold Basecoat I would assume, which quite honestly sounds amazing.

really, these don't sound like paints at all, how did they chose these, randomly?

I've put my guesses in bold.
I kinda like the idea that knowing the backstory helps you guess what colours are, it adds a bit of a game to buying the colours

**Niccolo**

I will feel a lot better about the name changes if there is a equivalency chart on their webpage. I will fell slightly better if it is only in a WD.

The one thing that bothers me is, if true, having the only black being a foundation paint. Foundations are so flat, and washing Badab Black-esque over grey isnt always the best opiton, that getting a good black could be a hassle.

Also I hope that Kabalite green or Sybarite green arent the Snot Green equivalent. Painting my Salamanders in Dark Eldar colors won't feel right. But dedicating a color to the Father of Darkness is at least one bonus point.

**Da_Viking**

And just to keep things clear they will be providing a poster of the new paints and which ones work at which level of painting you are trying to accomplish.

All for the relatively GW price of 49.99(insert symbol of currency in local market here).

I'm kidding.

(or at least I hope I am kidding...)

**darknightwing**

redbristles wrote:Some of the names don't even have anything to do with a colour! Why did they call one XV-88? It's not like the suits have a set colour that instantly makes you think of them. Some of these are absolutely awful. Waaaaagh! Flesh??? The fang?? wtf GW.

I'll add that I welcome the expanded paint range but I can';t help but wonder about some of these names.

I cannot agree more. I play tau and have like a dozen broadsisdes and I cannot for the life of me figure out which color

it is.

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

There was only 3 things that GW needed to do to their paint range:

1) lower the price by 10%
2) Make the pots more like the Vallejo dropper bottles
3) Bring back tentacle pink

Everything else is just a mess.

**Slipstream**

I'm really disappointed! I was holding out for dog**** brown and monkey sick yellow. What a terrible world we live in...

**Hatemonger**

yakface wrote:But whatever. I like their paints, so as long as they are at least as good, I'll be fine.

Me too. GW are 2/2 in my book with the release of foundations and washes, so I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt on this one, at least for the product side of things.

Just so I'm clear on this: the list above is meant to be all the paints in the new range? I had thought (based on earlier rumors) that some of the current colors were going to stay. Are they included above, with changed names, or is there another list of 'survivors'?

- H8

**Slinky**

I guess for ongoing projects people may have to fallback on this chart:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Paint_Range_Compatibility_Chart

Though presumably (surely?) GW will actually be keeping all its main colours? Not sure on the wisdom of the 100% rename.

**Bakerofish**

oh god

:( if they changed the formulation on chaos black (now Abaddon black) im going to be a sad puppy

**insaniak**

XV-88?
Necron Compound?

The Fang!!!?

How the hell is anyone supposed to remember what is what?

Yup, that's confirmed my switch back to Coat D'Arms. Thanks, GW, that was just the push I needed.

**poipo32**

I started switching to Vallejo and with all the confusing names I'll be better off buying from Vallejo because I can know what is the equivalent GW colour of the past.

**Lockark**

Huh, new names. Hope that new to old name converstion chart appears on the website when this new range launches, Other wise it's going to get confusing working out all the new names....

Catyrpelius wrote:

Game stores can order from more then one supplier...

That being said, Reaper has alot of their own paints that match GW's stuff to. Take a gander and the paint conversion chart and have him special order what your missing.

To get their current supplier they had to sign a contract that means they can only use them atm for wargameing related things. (He has other suppliers he uses for comic books, MTG, ect.) He is considering to change suppliers agien when the contract is up, but until then he can't go to others with out breaking the agreement.

I'm also aware of the fact Reaper has their own equivalents to the GW range. My orginal post was just pointing out that for me and the people who frequent the LGS it would "suck".
=P

I already have a few reaper paints. Haven't been wild about the dropper bottles, but picked them up more for the fact that I like their "tirade system". A very cool and useful idea all-round.

Orinoco wrote:
Only because you're so die hard militant that you'll do yourself an injury rather than shop anywhere else, ever. If you feel that way your shop could order from the war store or somebody else.

Well. Not really sure what to say about that in all honesty.... It's just paints and models we're talking about here, no need to start calling people names.....
O.o

**Cameron Baum**

*Stares incomprehensibly at the screen*

What the frak.....

So, they've gotten rid of a foundation purple? And I've got to try and work out what all the new colours are, to see if they are the colours I'm using with a different name?

Looks like I'll be researching new paint names to match up my stuff all right. Just not GW products, it seems...

PS) Am I the only one to notice that in the Technical list they've added Liquid Green Stuff?

**Dysartes**

Looks like they kept two names - though they're both in the Technical section.

'Ard Coat (varnish)
Liquid Green Stuff

Would someone please find whichever idiot thought this was a good idea, and eliminate them?

**Lockark**

Dysartes wrote:Looks like they kept two names - though they're both in the Technical section.

'Ard Coat (varnish)
Liquid Green Stuff

Would someone please find whichever idiot thought this was a good idea, and eliminate them?

Oh don't worry, I'm sure they will realize and change the names on them too.
XP

**Cameron Baum**

Dysartes wrote:Looks like they kept two names - though they're both in the Technical section.

'Ard Coat (varnish)
Liquid Green Stuff

Would someone please find whichever idiot thought this was a good idea, and eliminate them?

I doubt it could happen... the rival paint companies would simply sent bodyguards.

I think they will be laughing their heads off, because all this does is entice people to their products, and abandon GW paints. Hobbyists need to have stable paint ranges, not revolving doors of colours, some re-named, some simply gone. You don't want to stare at the paint range in the shop thinking "Which colour is like the old one I used, and need to replace?" You want to get the paint, and go.

And what is really worrying is I am feeling this militant, and I've only been painting for amonth and a half...

**Ehsteve**

Seeing all the new paint names is a bit intimidating and at the same time annoying. Mainly because there are now so many paints and they are named so abysmally.

All I can say is that it really is poor form to bring these out after marketing that 'Masterclass Painting Guide' during christmas. The entire book is rendered useless because the colours will have changed (both in name and ever so slightly in shade). All it is now is another GW catalogue.

**Jstncloud**

Well, looks like next time I hit the FLGS I am gonna get a few of the colors I use a lot, don't wanna risk not being able to 100% match the color my army leaving 66% one color of blue and 33% a slightly different shade of blue.