Rumour about changes of GW paint range (now with paint names and colour diagram)

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**Cameron Baum**

Ehsteve wrote:Seeing all the new paint names is a bit intimidating and at the same time annoying. Mainly because there are now so many paints and they are named so abysmally.

All I can say is that it really is poor form to bring these out after marketing that 'Masterclass Painting Guide' during christmas. The entire book is rendered useless because the colours will have changed (both in name and ever so slightly in shade). All it is now is another GW catalogue.

I know the feeling... January I bought the "How to Paint Citadel Miniatures" book, and now, the paints and stuff mentioned in it are obsolete...

I just managed to find a random pot of Revell paint I happened to have, and decided to field a test on a model's base. Very pleasing results. I'll have to try out more of their paints... Not to mention the fact I can happily see me getting other paints, because the test has bolstered my confidence... (The paint has not melted the base. Always a good start.)

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huh. 100 posts, and now I'm a Regular Dakkanaut...

**BlueDagger**

One can only assume there will be a 25% price increase due to renaming the paints "The highest quality paint names". Tis the GW way.

Also, I concure, I'll be sticking with Vallejo. 2x the product and quality at a cheaper price.

**H.B.M.C.**

I'm sure the Liquid Green Stuff will be renamed "Finecast Finsher" before the re-release.

And yeah, those names a pretty stupid. I mean, most of them are obvious and whatnot, but some of those names aren't colours. They're just things. And a world without 'Boltgun Metal' is not a world I want to live in.

No doubt GW will release a listing of which colours changed names... making the entire name change thing redundant.

**stubacca**

The paint change is going to affect small retailers. Getting one colour is £7.44 trade price (6 paints per box), so to fork out 72 paints (my store is fully stocked on the current paint range) is going to cost over £500 not to mention you'll need a new paint stand!

Personally, I welcome the additional paints, I'm sure I'll be able to find use for them all at some point so I'm too fussed about forking out for the new range, but it's the local, none GW stores that will be hit by this

**Gorechild**

H.B.M.C. wrote: a world without 'Boltgun Metal' is not a world I want to live in

That was my first thought! Closely followed by "crap I need to go buy a tonne of devlan mud!"

EDIT: thank god, just noticed its only being renamed

**Samus_aran115**

If the new devlan mud turns out to be crap, we can all say...

"Back in my day, that gak used to be called Devlan Mud! That Gak did everything!"

**Cameron Baum**

BlueDagger wrote:One can only assume there will be a 25% price increase due to renaming the paints "The highest quality paint names". Tis the GW way.

Also, I concure, I'll be sticking with Vallejo. 2x the product and quality at a cheaper price.

Nah, it'll be called Citadel Finepaint...

*stares at the screen in horror at what that means*

Oh No...

Here is what I think will be the press release for the new paints:

Last week we announced something very special - so special in fact that it's nothing less than a new era in wargaming, as we launch the highest quality paints the world has ever seen -the new Citadel paint range.

Wow, that's quite a statement isn't it? Nonetheless, it is very true. On the 7th of April we launch the new Citadel paint range, paints of such exquisite pigment level that they are the closest representation of the 'Eavy Metal's special mixing that we have ever been able to make. Until you hold a pot in your hand and see it for yourself, it's hard to describe just how highly hued they are.

So, what are the new Citadel paints, and why are we making the change? Quite simply, the new paints are the next step in the evolution in tabletop miniatures wargaming. From the start, Games Workshop has always innovated and sought to increase the quality of our models - Citadel paints are the next step in that process. There are no other paints that exist of this quality and manufactured on this scale in the world, and we're proud and very excited for you all to see this for yourselves.

The Citadel paint are all made from a unique pigment formula. For us as hobbyists, this is great news. The paint is easy to work with and quick to paint out of the pot, making painting a miniature easier than it has ever been. Not only that, but it's incredibly resilient too, which means base coats will be a thing of the past. So, quick and durable, that's a good start. But of course, one of the main reasons for this change was quality. One thing you'll notice immediately when you pick models painted with the new formulas up is the exceptionally sharp colours on the model, which can only be described as staggering. For dedicated painters (which we all are to some extent) this is a dream come true.

This Saturday is going to be a landmark day in Games Workshop's history. No matter which country you live in, when the doors of your local Hobby Centre open for business on Saturday morning, you'll find over 100 new paint colours and boxed sets of Citadel Starter Paint Sets waiting. This is your chance to come and have a look and make up your own mind about the bold claims I've made above. You won't be disappointed.

You should also make sure you pick up April's White Dwarf. In it I'll be discussing the new paints even further, and talking to such luminaries as 'Eavy Metal's Joe Tomaszewski about what it's like painting with the new range, as well as veteran miniatures designer Aly Morrison regarding what the future holds when sculpting for the new medium. To quote Aly: "In a way it will push us to try things we could never realise before; to add even more dynamism to the models." Being a hobbyist first and foremost, that's a very exciting thing for me to hear.

So, what next? Every day this week we'll be adding more images of upcoming new Citadel Paints to the website leading up to the launch on Saturday. All you need to do is make sure you're at your local Games Workshop Hobby Centre this Saturday for the grand unveiling.

Tell me if they won't go and say stuff like this....

**AlmightyWalrus**

White foundation?

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! ME WANT!!

*ahem* Here's hoping my High Elves may actually get somewhere!

**Alpharius**

H.B.M.C. wrote:I'm sure the Liquid Green Stuff will be renamed "Finecast Finsher" before the re-release.

I know you were joking, but I'm thinking that they might just end up using that one in the end!

**Motograter**

Gorechild wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote: a world without 'Boltgun Metal' is not a world I want to live in

That was my first thought! Closely followed by "crap I need to go buy a tonne of devlan mud!"

EDIT: thank god, just noticed its only being renamed

I would buy devlan mud now. Just because the name is changing does not mean the paint wont. Its happened before with previous colours. I`m stocking up now on the likes of badab black and devlan mud and will be shifting over to coat d arms and vallejo

**Kroothawk**

stubacca wrote:The paint change is going to affect small retailers. Getting one colour is £7.44 trade price (6 paints per box), so to fork out 72 paints (my store is fully stocked on the current paint range) is going to cost over £500 not to mention you'll need a new paint stand!

Make that £1078.80 , as there are 145 paints now.

**The Ninth Silent King**

Aside from ruining the Small non-GW stores, I am kinda excited by this prospect. I would enjoy seeing what they would sell a mega-set of the paints for so I can hop of the damn fence about where to buy my paint from.

**FrozenSoul80**

darknightwing wrote:
redbristles wrote:Some of the names don't even have anything to do with a colour! Why did they call one XV-88? It's not like the suits have a set colour that instantly makes you think of them. Some of these are absolutely awful. Waaaaagh! Flesh??? The fang?? wtf GW.

I'll add that I welcome the expanded paint range but I can';t help but wonder about some of these names.

I cannot agree more. I play tau and have like a dozen broadsisdes and I cannot for the life of me figure out which color it is.

My XV-88s are all Space Wolves Grey, so obviously that's what this new colour is.

**Cameron Baum**

XV-88 sounds like something that escaped from a Terminator film...

**hungryp**

Wow, that list of colours is ridiculous, and certainly not just for its length.

**Cameron Baum**

hungryp wrote:Wow, that list of colours is ridiculous, and certainly not just for its length.

The fact you have lots of greens and browns and stuff, but only two purples is a joke in itself... Why do they go overboard with some colours, and hardly any in others? Frakking ridiculous....

**Ghaz**

Cameron Baum wrote:The fact you have lots of greens and browns and stuff, but only two purples is a joke in itself... Why do they go overboard with some colours, and hardly any in others? Frakking ridiculous..

I'm sure that Vallejo will be happy to know that their Model Colour line is "frakking ridiculous".

**spacewolf407**

Damn, need an equivalence chart to the old names asap!

**Polonius**

Yeah, I felt the opposite when I started buying into the Reaper Masters. In the first 15 triads, two are purples.

**Cameron Baum**

Ghaz wrote:
Cameron Baum wrote:The fact you have lots of greens and browns and stuff, but only two purples is a joke in itself... Why do they go overboard with some colours, and hardly any in others? Frakking ridiculous..

I'm sure that Vallejo will be happy to know that their Model Colour line is "frakking ridiculous".

*Steps away from the flames from earlier comment*

According to the compatibility charts, Vallejo do four purple colours, GW do two. Still, what I am learning from all of this is that I can search out and gain all the paints I want, I just have to be patient. I'm going to start fielding experiments with canvass acrylics soon, as well...

Why you decided to talk about Vallejo's paint range, when I was talking about GW's paint range is rather bewildering...

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spacewolf407 wrote:Damn, need an equivalence chart to the old names asap!

It has been posted quite a few times already, but...

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Paint_Range_Compatibility_Chart

**Ghaz**

So its okay for Vallejo to have so many greens and browns but only two purples but its not for Games Workshop? It doesn't matter if we're talking about GW in this thread, your comments apply to all manufacturers.

**scarletsquig**

Ugh, the names are horrible. 145 new and obscure paints to remember, throwing out all the classics that everyone knows like ultramarine blue, chainmail, goblin green etc. ?

Not buying into this. No way. Gonna give the new army painter range a spin, along with the secret weapon washes now that they've got a UK stockist.

I'll also expand my p3 range, they're a good set of paints.

**Avatar 720**

Some of the names didn't need changing at all. Asurmen Blue, for example, still fits this pointless new naming scheme, but it had to be changed for reasons unknown.

**Bakerofish**

XV-88 is just a terrible name for a pot of paint

the other names at least try to be evocative of the color theyre representing...but what the heck does color have to do with a broadside battlesuit?

maybe if you paint with XV-88 the pigment automatically arranges itself to pictures of tiny broadsides

you can finally paint those Tau pajamas with less hassle!

**-Loki-**

I noticed there's no turqoise on the list, at least that I could see. Does anyone know if the Vallejo Game Colour turqoise is a good match to Hawk Turqoise? And, on that note, if they have a good match to Shadow Grey?

Might as well completely swap to Vallejo now outside of washes. And maybe grab a 6 pack of Devlan Mud.

**GBL**

Totally worried about this. Does anyone know what Adeptus Battle Grey turns into? I use that for everything.

This is like when they took away the inks. In fact, why arent they just replacing the whole line with Chestnut ink?

**Red Comet**

I don't like the name changes. It makes no sense for most of those names and I don't see why they couldn't just keep the same names they've been using for all of these years and simply just expand the line of paints.

**H.B.M.C.**

In the end I don't think the name change is that big a deal. I don't know why they bothered, as this seems to be a real case of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it", but we'll get used to them after a while. The real problem is the naming of paints using words that do not clearly denote or describe colour. Colour is a difficult thing to describe, because you have to know what the colour is before you can envision it. If you didn't know what 'blue' was and I told you that something was dark blue, you wouldn't have a clue what I was talking about. Colours need equivalences, so 'blood red' makes sense: even if you don't know what red is, you might know what blood looks like, and you can make the connection. 'Mephiston red' has no meaning outside of those who know who Mephiston is, and how would you describe 'Mephiston red' without saing "well it's like the colour of blood!"? It only gets worse when you remove the colour from the name, because now we're left guessing. XV-88? The Fang? We can logically infer based upon universe knowledge that XV-88 will probably be similar to the colour the studio uses on their Tau, and The Fang will be some sort of grey or light blue, but we don't know that because 'XV-88' and 'The Fang' and 'Necron Compound' and all those other nonsense names are not colours.

I said this when Iyanden Darksun and Necron Abyss first came out, and it's just gotten worse!

**insaniak**

H.B.M.C. wrote:... and The Fang will be some sort of grey or light blue, ..!

Or bone. Or blood red.

But they're all pretty similar, so no big deal.

**Diabolical13**

NEW PAINTS woot !!!! cept for a bad thing tho too many again new names! they need to make a downloadable sheet on gw for paint equivalents. And if theres new paint... you never know a new "aobr" box may be coming....