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What do people take on Redemptor Dreads?

I have 3 (one of them the EZBuild one) and I'm not sure what weapons to use.

I know I want one double Onslaught 'cause it's funny, but other than that... am I being irrationally afraid of plasma weaponry overcharges?

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As someone just starting out with the SM half of the Elite Starter set, what would be a good next step to filling out for a proper combat patrol?

Units on hand:
Primaris Captain
Assault Intercessors x5
Outrider Squad
350Pts (Salamanders Successor)

I've been considering an Eradicator squad, an Aggressor squad, one of the dreadnoughts, or an Invader ATV and either more Assault intercessors or Company veterans as options to flesh it out a 500pt army.

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I'd go with Eradicators, or if you want to put in some non-Primaris stuff, go with Devastators or a Venerable Dreadnought. You could probably use some decent heavy firepower, which is why I recommend those things.

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You are a bit light on AV, so the eradicators would fill that gap in your list.

I might also consider more boots on the ground, so some troop picks. They all have pros/cons, so exactly which one to get is a bit fuzzy.

   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What do people take on Redemptor Dreads?

I have 3 (one of them the EZBuild one) and I'm not sure what weapons to use.

I know I want one double Onslaught 'cause it's funny, but other than that... am I being irrationally afraid of plasma weaponry overcharges?


Personally I think they're excellent! I take 3 in my IH and use a libby to give them all a 5++. Plasma, underslung hog and storm bolters are definitely my recommended weapons, but I also have a double hog one for fun
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What do people take on Redemptor Dreads?

I have 3 (one of them the EZBuild one) and I'm not sure what weapons to use.

I know I want one double Onslaught 'cause it's funny, but other than that... am I being irrationally afraid of plasma weaponry overcharges?


Personally I think they're excellent! I take 3 in my IH and use a libby to give them all a 5++. Plasma, underslung hog and storm bolters are definitely my recommended weapons, but I also have a double hog one for fun


I'll second this. The Plasma in the right hands can be brutal, and paired with the underslung hog, they can shred through hordes decently enough.
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What do people take on Redemptor Dreads?

I have 3 (one of them the EZBuild one) and I'm not sure what weapons to use.

I know I want one double Onslaught 'cause it's funny, but other than that... am I being irrationally afraid of plasma weaponry overcharges?


Redemptor plasma is popular right now for two reasons.

One, it's in a sweet spot for damaging DE raiders. It wounds them on 3s, and throwing out average 3-4 shots at 3 damage each is better math against the 5+ invul than weapons that do more damage, but can be stopped by a single successful invul.

Two, it's in a sweet spot for damaging big blobs of AdMech infantry, getting the benefits of blast, and also having the AP to bust through their armor, especially if you also have a way to negate the cover.


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Are Reivers any good in the backfield bully role?


An equivalent points value of bikes or outriders is probably better.

3 bikes compared with 5 reivers gets you better toughness, much faster movement, way more firepower, and decent melee even with just chainswords.

I've tried both, and reivers just don't have any punch, but 3 bikes can take or contest a lightly-held objective, score engage on all fronts or behind enemy lines , and last for more than one turn even if they need to go into the open.

One possible exception is a unit of 5 Deathwatch reivers who are a combat squad from a spectrus kill team, because they get obsec. So they could theoretically use the terror troops strat to take any objective they can reach, without having to actually fight anything. They die the following turn, but if you just need to deprive an opponent of an objective for one player turn, or if you're going second and it's turn 5.

But it's a challenge to set up, because you have to use Terror Troops during your command phase, which means the reivers need to be on the table at the start of your turn, and within movement range of the objective you want to take. I've never managed to get it to work personally.

A reiver lieutenant can do the objective-stealing thing too, and costs less, and is more survivable.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
On the subject of Phobos, I made a really silly Phobos list the other day, just trying to use nothing but Phobos units:

Spoiler:
1x Phobos Chapter Master
1x Phobos Chief Librarian
1x Phobos Lieutenant

10x Incursors
10x Incursors
5x Infiltrators
5x Infiltrators
5x Infiltrators
5x Infiltrators

1x Invictor
1x Invictor

1x Eliminators
1x Eliminators
1x Eliminators (Las Fusils)

1850 Points
I doubt it would be any good, but it'd be fun to try.

The most frustrating thing about the list is that everything has Concealed Positions except the Lieutenant.


I've been playing around with the idea of a Deathwatch phobos army. I think if you really want to go all phobos and be effective, then Deathwatch deserves a look.

A spectrus kill team is 5 infiltrators + some combination of up to 5 reivers, eliminators, and/or incursors.

The whole unit gets obsec, so you can make a combat squad of 5 obsec reivers for theoretically stealing objectives (see above), or 5 obsec eliminators for camping objectives. (I can't think of any reason to use incursors in such an army.)

You can use the Vanguard warlord powers for redeployment to move units around, and can get insane movement out of a unit by using shoot & fade to move twice a turn.

You can jigger your points/wargear around to make 3 of your spectrus teams your most expensive units, then choose the "To the Last" secondary and use guerilla tactics strat to hide select parts of each unit in strategic reserve. Because units that enter strategic reserve after the start of turn 1 don't have to come back until turn 5, you can keep at least half a unit safe (for 3 VPs per unit guaranteed) and bring them back turn 5 to score the points.

The only DW limitation is that if you mix concealed positions models in the same combat squad with reivers, then that squad doesn't get concealed positions, so reivers have to go on their own.

A phobos librarian has special tech available to try to score those sweet 15 vps for Pierce the Veil. Deploy him as close as possible to the enemy table edge, then use move & Temporal Corridor to get into position turn 1 to start peircing for turns 2-4. Giving him the vanguard trait Stealth Adept can help to keep him from being targeted. You still need the right setup--a slow-moving enemy and a map where the enemy table edge extends further than the enemy deployment zone (get your librarian to the far corner, preferably behind obscuring terrain), but he can always try for another warp ritual if the mission isn't right. Goonhammer stats show that Pierce the Veil is one of the least-chosen secondaries, but actually has quite a high average score because of how it gets you either 8 or 15 if it gets you anything at all.

But a phobos army would be a non-engagement army, because you don't have anything that can really kill or shift enemy units. It would be an army that focuses on maxing secondaries (engage on all fronts or behind enemy lines, retrieve octarius data are all good secondaries), temporarily stealing objectives here and there, and denying engagement in order to try to win the points game.

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Just won a local 20 man RTT over the weekend, and I'm here to spread the truth of the IH!
My list was:
Iron hands battalion
Primaris Phobos captain-Rites of War, Tempered Helm
Primaris Librarian- 5++ aura/ fight first
Primaris libby- vehicle +1 to hit/ +1 armor save
Bare company vets
Reg apothecary
2x5 infiltrators
5 assault bolter intercessors
10 assault terms, 7 hammers 3 claws
3 redemptors, 3 plasma 2 hog 1 hv flamer (agony)
Volktemptor
Character volktemptor with missile hat, exploding 6s

The plan here is pretty obvious I think, load up the Terminators with all the buffs, send them directly into the middle of the board, and score all the Stranglehold and Oath of moments points, the 5++ guy hangs out with the dreads and casts the fight first onto the terms incase anyone wants to come in and slap em with a fight last (namely DE) while the dreads smash stuff. All the other pieces are mostly for screening, and the interaction with the character dread and the Company vets is just as silly as it seems. My scores:

Vs Mech DG: 74-69
Space wolves:90-21
Emperors Children in the finals (how thematic!): 90-89.
I was not battle ready and all my opponents were, so it was even stronger than it looks! My next version drops the non character contemptor and the missile hat for a sicarian arcus, and the comp vets and apothecary for 2 land speeders. Cheers!
   
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Hey y'all, what's Raven Guard looking like nowadays?

Black, with white chapter markings.

I'll let myself out...

My armies (re-counted and updated on 9/25/20, including modeled wargear options):
Dark Angels: ~16000 | Space Marines (Blood Ravens and others): ~900 | Space Wolves: ~3800
Astra Militarum: ~800 | Officio Assassinorum: ~600 | Imperial Knights: ~1300 | Sisters of Battle: ~1900
Check out my P&M Blogs: ZergSmasher's P&M Blog | Imperial Knights blog | Total models painted in 2020: 47 | Total models painted in 2021: 87 | Current main painting project: Sisters of Battle
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How unique are the space wolf small units? I am thinking 1 man cyberwolf units for 15 points and the 5 squad fenrisian wolves for 35 points. Both are in fast attacks.

There are some benefits of small units. Screening and holding objectives. Are those good in currenth 9th edition? Whenever I play SW I always flood my fast attack slots. But they seem good. Should I be taing them more?

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