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2021/05/25 19:05:02
Subject: Age of Sigmar N & R: BR:Kragnos and Soulblight p.132.
AoS needs more dragon models!! Heck its actually most more than its gained. 2 elf dragons (wood and high) have vanished (big surprise on the high elf one vanishing as it was not that old a model); Forgeworld has lost all their dragons (magma, warpfire, others).
There is 1 army that I'm still sold on buying into even though I have "enough armies" in Aos and that is the Shadow Aelves who have been hinted at having a draconic influence in design.
That said the lore also has others; eg in the first Gotrek book there's a whole faction in the Realm of Death using bone construct dragons as mounts. Not Ossiarchs,but the same concept.
I also would expect Nagash to have full skeletal dragons; not just zombie dragons and terrorghasts.
Overread wrote: There's theories that GW has dropped a whole campaign book just to speed this up. I even recall some hint of the Everqueen getting her own book from rumours from a long way back. It wouldn't shock me if GW has sped things up even more and squished two books together and is now having to drop spoilers becuase of what's coming on this weekend.
Sadly big edition releases are one of the few things it seems GW cannot move around much if at all in the way they are setup. So when it comes it comes even if that means things get a bit squashed beforehand.
Leadtimes. Why people keep forgetting those. What reason gw would have over year ago to squish? Corona etc wouldn't be reason. Books were done by the time that might be reason.
2024 painted/bought: 109/109
2021/05/25 19:41:00
Subject: Age of Sigmar N & R: BR:Kragnos and Soulblight p.132.
Lead times for prints aren't a year, or don't have to be. Their Print on Demand books are typically done within 3 month windows give or take a few weeks. That's more than enough time at the start of 2020 to have had decided that they didn't have 6 months to release everything before mid year and to then squash two books into one at the end and still have enough time to make an order.
It also seems... odd to cram Kragnos, Alarielle and Kroak into a book together in the way they have. Each of those is technically a 'God' tier player in AoS and previous books have tried to keep the focus on the actions of one (Morathi, Teclis, Belakor) though will admit Teclis also played with Nagash.
Seriously wish we'd get a Kroak warscroll drop this week like we've had Kragnos'....
Now only a CSM player.
2021/05/25 23:15:05
Subject: Age of Sigmar N & R: BR:Kragnos and Soulblight p.132.
They frequently do a run of 5 short stories. They probably just needed a fifth character and Alarielle was the best choice. Unlike with the end times I haven't felt like there was a noticeable gap in the narrative yet. I think this is just conspiracy theories gone wild.
2021/05/25 23:43:42
Subject: Age of Sigmar N & R: BR:Kragnos and Soulblight p.132.
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2021/05/26 01:11:33
Subject: Age of Sigmar N & R: BR:Kragnos and Soulblight p.132.
I'm surprised WarCom spoiled Broken Realms: Kragnos even though it's not up for preorder yet. That seems weird to me, especially since GW's has been willing to delay their release schedule a bunch this past year. You'd think they'd just push things back a bit more to give folks a couple of weeks to digest the product once it's actually released...
Do they just not expect these books to sell copies? If not then why go through the huge effort of producing them and not just put all the info in the WarCom article in the rulebook for 3.0?
2021/05/26 01:15:17
Subject: Age of Sigmar N & R: BR:Kragnos and Soulblight p.132.
Cripple X wrote: I'm surprised WarCom spoiled Broken Realms: Kragnos even though it's not up for preorder yet. That seems weird to me, especially since GW's has been willing to delay their release schedule a bunch this past year. You'd think they'd just push things back a bit more to give folks a couple of weeks to digest the product once it's actually released...
Do they just not expect these books to sell copies? If not then why go through the huge effort of producing them and not just put all the info in the WarCom article in the rulebook for 3.0?
Everything revolves around new editions of the main game. Even with all the pandemic/lockdown stuff both have dropped more or less on time. Compared to 3.0 GW couldn't give a monkey's about BR: Kragnos sales.
2021/05/26 01:22:58
Subject: Age of Sigmar N & R: BR:Kragnos and Soulblight p.132.
I understand your point, it just seems like a lot of effort wasted as far as all the work that went into BR: Kragnos, you know? I'm sure people will pick it up and enjoy it, but it just seems like a big "Who cares?" on GW's part as far as the effort their own staff put into the book. Maybe that's just me though?
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2021/05/26 01:27:06
Subject: Age of Sigmar N & R: BR:Kragnos and Soulblight p.132.
Cripple X wrote: I'm surprised WarCom spoiled Broken Realms: Kragnos even though it's not up for preorder yet. That seems weird to me, especially since GW's has been willing to delay their release schedule a bunch this past year. You'd think they'd just push things back a bit more to give folks a couple of weeks to digest the product once it's actually released...
Do they just not expect these books to sell copies? If not then why go through the huge effort of producing them and not just put all the info in the WarCom article in the rulebook for 3.0?
What's the spoilers? It sounds like the stuff about Destruction and Kragnos is just background info about what the story is about. We weren't told "Kragnos was stopped" or "He destroyed the city", just that the city is already weakened by skaven and slaanesh, before his horde even showed up
2021/05/26 01:35:09
Subject: Age of Sigmar N & R: BR:Kragnos and Soulblight p.132.
Cripple X wrote: I'm surprised WarCom spoiled Broken Realms: Kragnos even though it's not up for preorder yet. That seems weird to me, especially since GW's has been willing to delay their release schedule a bunch this past year. You'd think they'd just push things back a bit more to give folks a couple of weeks to digest the product once it's actually released...
Do they just not expect these books to sell copies? If not then why go through the huge effort of producing them and not just put all the info in the WarCom article in the rulebook for 3.0?
What's the spoilers? It sounds like the stuff about Destruction and Kragnos is just background info about what the story is about. We weren't told "Kragnos was stopped" or "He destroyed the city", just that the city is already weakened by skaven and slaanesh, before his horde even showed up
They changed it. There was an earlier version that spoiled a bunch of stuff like the Gromthi "mystery".
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2021/05/26 01:35:24
Subject: Age of Sigmar N & R: BR:Kragnos and Soulblight p.132.
Cripple X wrote: I'm surprised WarCom spoiled Broken Realms: Kragnos even though it's not up for preorder yet. That seems weird to me, especially since GW's has been willing to delay their release schedule a bunch this past year. You'd think they'd just push things back a bit more to give folks a couple of weeks to digest the product once it's actually released...
Do they just not expect these books to sell copies? If not then why go through the huge effort of producing them and not just put all the info in the WarCom article in the rulebook for 3.0?
What's the spoilers? It sounds like the stuff about Destruction and Kragnos is just background info about what the story is about. We weren't told "Kragnos was stopped" or "He destroyed the city", just that the city is already weakened by skaven and slaanesh, before his horde even showed up
It said the fate of the city before, but they edited that part out (and some others) once they realize due to social media complaining. It seems like the article was prewriten and scheduled to go online somewhere between BR:Kragnos and 3rd Edition, but with the corona and the messed timeline it no longer fit the current state of the game.
2021/05/26 01:39:27
Subject: Re:Age of Sigmar N & R: BR:Kragnos and Soulblight p.132.
They've edited the article since it went live this morning. A lot of them that were initially present, they actually removed during the day. It's been noted in this thread here.
BELOW ARE THE SPOILERS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY PRESENT IN THE ARTICLE. READ AT YOUR OWN RISK:
Spoiler:
They removed the fate of Excelsis at the end of Kragnos's siege, the part that Lord Kroak played in relieving the siege, and the return of Grungni.
I'm not mad that they spoiled it. The article clearly said read at your own risk. I'm just sort of baffled that they did. I think Yoid is right. It must have planned to be posted after BR: Kragnos released, but I guess it costs more money to delay 3.0 than it does to sell BR:Kragnos and then 3.0
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2021/05/26 01:39:37
Subject: Age of Sigmar N & R: BR:Kragnos and Soulblight p.132.
Oooh, okay. Yeah, the Warcom team should have caught that sooner. I was hoping we would get "Gromthi" as a model for one of the Broken Realm books, but he didn't make the cut. Maybe in third edition...
Spoiler:
Wait, Grothi was Grugni?!? I was sure it was the White Dwarf. Was Grugni even gone? He appears in person in the Eight Lamentation books...?
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2021/05/26 02:39:35
Subject: Age of Sigmar N & R: BR:Kragnos and Soulblight p.132.
Is it really a "budget" version? With most online discounts they're about the same cost. You're saving a few bucks, but having then to deal with resin vs plastic.
2021/05/26 02:57:51
Subject: Age of Sigmar N & R: BR:Kragnos and Soulblight p.132.
Is it really a "budget" version? With most online discounts they're about the same cost. You're saving a few bucks, but having then to deal with resin vs plastic.
Eh, you have a point. Call it an alternate version, then.
2021/05/26 03:47:53
Subject: Age of Sigmar N & R: BR:Kragnos and Soulblight p.132.
Cripple X wrote: I'm surprised WarCom spoiled Broken Realms: Kragnos even though it's not up for preorder yet. That seems weird to me, especially since GW's has been willing to delay their release schedule a bunch this past year. You'd think they'd just push things back a bit more to give folks a couple of weeks to digest the product once it's actually released...
Do they just not expect these books to sell copies? If not then why go through the huge effort of producing them and not just put all the info in the WarCom article in the rulebook for 3.0?
A) not all cares about spoilers anyway b) they markedit so those who care can avoid c) the spoiler was so little either it's insignificant or story is so tiny it's not worth anything. Half a movie trailer spoils movie more.
2024 painted/bought: 109/109
2021/05/26 04:47:38
Subject: Age of Sigmar N & R: BR:Kragnos and Soulblight p.132.
I've never even heard of this. It looks like a Beastman but for some reason is now the de facto head of Destruction, with Orruks paying fealty.
Then I look at his datasheet and see a 2+ armor save on a literally naked Centaur, presumably because of a shield which would barely cover his torso.
This is the first I've heard of this cringy character and I'm already aching for a retcon.
Did they literally make this character up ad-hoc just now?
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2021/05/26 06:27:09
Subject: Age of Sigmar N & R: BR:Kragnos and Soulblight p.132.
I've never even heard of this. It looks like a Beastman but for some reason is now the de facto head of Destruction, with Orruks paying fealty.
Then I look at his datasheet and see a 2+ armor save on a literally naked Centaur, presumably because of a shield which would barely cover his torso.
This is the first I've heard of this cringy character and I'm already aching for a retcon.
Did they literally make this character up ad-hoc just now?
Basically yes, they created him from nothing which is one of the reasons of why the old world setting was ditched in favor of the much more open setting of AoS.
I'm guessing the 2+ armor save is because he's a demi god.
For what its worth I love the design of him myself, I just wish he had a tie-in faction of similar design rather than being surrounded by Orcs and Goblins.
ImAGeek wrote: It wasn’t clear that it was spoilers for the book that isn’t out yet. It just seemed like it meant for the series so far.
Spoilers are for stuff that aren't out yet.
PS. Darth Vade is Luke's father. There's spoiler for you.
(also the relevant part for Kragnos was also specifically marked. If you have title "Kragnos" then you kind of should be able to figure out spoilers for Kragnos start from there even if you assume spoilers are also spoilers for already old stuff)
And if you are worried about spoilers for old stuff you couldn't have even watched AOS3 announcement...it had spoilers for already released stuff as well! GW couldn't release any articles. Can't have any 40k stuff for 9e as there's spoilers for 9e rulebook as well!
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2024 painted/bought: 109/109
2021/05/26 08:16:55
Subject: Age of Sigmar N & R: BR:Kragnos and Soulblight p.132.
I've never even heard of this. It looks like a Beastman but for some reason is now the de facto head of Destruction, with Orruks paying fealty.
Then I look at his datasheet and see a 2+ armor save on a literally naked Centaur, presumably because of a shield which would barely cover his torso.
This is the first I've heard of this cringy character and I'm already aching for a retcon.
Did they literally make this character up ad-hoc just now?
Heaven forbid they actually make new characters for their setting rather than namedropping and parading the corpses of old ones around in order to score nostalgia points.
AOS needs more of its own characters. They should never have even used most of the old ones as ascended deities in the first place.
Nazi punks feth off
2021/05/26 08:35:06
Subject: Age of Sigmar N & R: BR:Kragnos and Soulblight p.132.
Basically yes, they created him from nothing which is one of the reasons of why the old world setting was ditched in favor of the much more open setting of AoS.
unlike the historically existing characters like Karl Franz and Nagash in the Old World setting..which were also created from nothing.
Anyway, the article was labelled spoilers, if someone is this deathly afraid of getting spoiled on world's most predictable fantasy ever, yeah, just don't read past.
I am very curious what they will do with dwarfs, I think blending them into one soup would be the worst option.
2021/05/26 08:45:34
Subject: Age of Sigmar N & R: BR:Kragnos and Soulblight p.132.
Bit disappointed with Kragnos so far.
Main profile is decent, definitely a beatstick style character.
No real buffs to those around him and he can actually be a liability too.
Also, 10" movement, no longshanks style rules etc means he's slow and will often get tarpitted.
He also has a massive lack of keywords.
Add in the fact that almost every destruction ability or spell only targets keyword units and you can't really do much.
No mortal wound save on a god? OK.
Very specific target ability? Almost useless.
His damage output is good, his charge ability is insanely random at best.
If he's above 500 points I highly doubt you'll see this guy in any form of competitive setting.
Really hoping he has his own sub faction in the book that can benefit him or its another great sculpt gone to waste.
2021/05/26 08:57:40
Subject: Age of Sigmar N & R: BR:Kragnos and Soulblight p.132.
Heaven forbid they actually make new characters for their setting rather than namedropping and parading the corpses of old ones around in order to score nostalgia points.
AOS needs more of its own characters. They should never have even used most of the old ones as ascended deities in the first place.
It amazes me how entitled some people are - kicking off about things in AoS being new or NOT as they were in Fantasy. Had a whole discussion in a FB group where someone literally threw a tantrum because GW weren't making it so that the new models for AoS ranked up on square bases for Fantasy - literally throwing a fit that products designed for a different game system didn't rank up for a long discontinued product and having a sulk that GW weren't supporting it. Absolutely unreal.
With regards to older characters?
I appreciate the callback to older aesthetics. I appreciate exploring the Realms history a bit more rather than having dropped us off with no idea what happened. And I feel some races SHOULD have older characters brought back - Elf types, Undead, Daemons and Seraphon in particular are sort of candidates for that.
Other races, not so much. We don't need to see the old world Empire characters. Or even the Dwarf characters. Their stories are done. The semi-immortal races it makes sense for because they literally don't change or adapt like the younger races do.
Fang, son of Great Fang, the traitor we seek, The laws of the brethren say this: That only the king sees the crown of the gods, And he, the usurper, must die.
