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Therion wrote:

I mean look at the rumors we're seeing of models coming out for the Necrons book. We're looking at at least four new plastic kits based off the old line(Destroyers being redone, Tomb Spyders, Immortals, and Wraiths), several entirely new units done in plastic or metal, etc.

I can't see a problem here. I remember a number of active Dakka posters claiming that the Dark Eldar would get some kind of an unforeseen megawave -- All their codex units in one big splash. It's pretty much a year from now exactly when these people promised us pictures of the new stuff within a month and all the models by fall. I can use the search and find myself arguing that a wave like that isn't possible for GW and people tried to shoot me down and told me to just wait and see.

I didn't say it was a problem. I was using it as an example of how much work has been going into the Necrons versus what we'd be seeing from the Tau.

The pictures came 4 months later than promised and the army release wasn't anything spectacular. It took a long while to get any beasts released and we're still all the flyers, Venom, Haemonculi, Wracks, Talos/engine and Scourges short on having models to play the army with. Basically the army is in an equally terrible shape still as Tyranids (lacking Tervigons, T-Fexes) model wise except that the quality on the models that do exist is good (almost) all-around.

Well that and the fact that we've got confirmation of the Haemonculi, Wracks, Talos/Engine and Scourges coming out in May.

So now you're saying what exactly? That Necrons can't be released before Tau because they will need a lot of new kits? Why would GW care about that when they never have in the past? Necrons will come with four new plastic boxes like almost every other army and then left to hang with three/four or even five absolutely integral units not having models (or old models) for a year or more. That's the standard, not the exception. I expect nothing else.

Please, actually read. I'm not saying that "Necrons can't be released before Tau because they will need a lot of new kits". I'm saying that if Necrons are being delayed, then they'll fit what they can into that slot based on the design schedule. Right now, Tau are the easiest fit for this short of notice. They've had the Pathfinders done for a long time, the can scan in FW's suits and the Kroothounds/Krootoxes, and the Demiurg shouldn't be too hard for them to do on short notice.

Supposedly the real reason we're seeing Necrons delayed is because of the book's fluff contents as a reactionary measure based upon how many fans are reacting to the Grey Knights' fluff. But people are acting as though it's a bad thing that Matt Ward might be forced to actually redo the background and make it far less stupidly over the top. It's really not a bad thing if he gets called to answer for his feth-ups now before he completely screws up the background irreparably.

Please, actually read. I'm not saying that "Necrons can't be released before Tau because they will need a lot of new kits". I'm saying that if Necrons are being delayed, then they'll fit what they can into that slot based on the design schedule. Right now, Tau are the easiest fit for this short of notice. They've had the Pathfinders done for a long time, the can scan in FW's suits and the Kroothounds/Krootoxes, and the Demiurg shouldn't be too hard for them to do on short notice.

Supposedly the real reason we're seeing Necrons delayed is because of the book's fluff contents as a reactionary measure based upon how many fans are reacting to the Grey Knights' fluff. But people are acting as though it's a bad thing that Matt Ward might be forced to actually redo the background and make it far less stupidly over the top. It's really not a bad thing if he gets called to answer for his feth-ups now before he completely screws up the background irreparably.

That's a lot of hypothesis. We don't know if Necrons are being delayed or not so I find it unnecessary to endlessly speculate on the possible motives behind something that may or may not happen at all. Additionally, I disagree on a number of things you like to imagine as facts. I think Tau need atleast an equal amount of work as the Necrons. If anything the old Necron models are vastly superior to the Tau models. Secondly, as an avid GW hobbyist and gamer for 20 years now I see absolutely no problems whatsoever in Matt Ward's work. I can't see how he has even affected the background by any significant measure not to mention somehow 'screwing it up' irreparably. In game terms even his worst army book to date, the Daemons of Chaos, isn't the most imbalanced GW army publication to date.

Well that and the fact that we've got confirmation of the Haemonculi, Wracks, Talos/Engine and Scourges coming out in May.

Whether they come in May or not (while the most important transport in the book and both the flyers still wouldn't have models) is irrelevant because the people in the know said all Dark Eldar models would be released as a single release together with the Codex: DE. That turned out to be a blatant lie.

Therion wrote:

Please, actually read. I'm not saying that "Necrons can't be released before Tau because they will need a lot of new kits". I'm saying that if Necrons are being delayed, then they'll fit what they can into that slot based on the design schedule. Right now, Tau are the easiest fit for this short of notice. They've had the Pathfinders done for a long time, the can scan in FW's suits and the Kroothounds/Krootoxes, and the Demiurg shouldn't be too hard for them to do on short notice.

Supposedly the real reason we're seeing Necrons delayed is because of the book's fluff contents as a reactionary measure based upon how many fans are reacting to the Grey Knights' fluff. But people are acting as though it's a bad thing that Matt Ward might be forced to actually redo the background and make it far less stupidly over the top. It's really not a bad thing if he gets called to answer for his feth-ups now before he completely screws up the background irreparably.

That's a lot of hypothesis.

Of course it's hypothesis. That's all we really ever have to go on with GW until we get the Incoming! email/articles.

We don't know if Necrons are being delayed or not so I find it unnecessary to endlessly speculate on the possible motives behind something that may or may not happen at all. Additionally, I disagree on a number of things you like to imagine as facts.

I haven't said anything was "fact". I'm going off a logical chain of conclusions. However, if you want some 'facts': Goodwin has flatout said that he wants to give Eldar the same treatment he gave Dark Eldar. But he won't be doing that for awhile, as he wants to do the Sisters of Battle first. And Goodwin gets to throw quite a bit of weight around when it comes to what he wants to do and how it fits into the schedule.

Tau, however, have no such backing from anyone with any real weight within the studio.

I think Tau need atleast an equal amount of work as the Necrons. If anything the old Necron models are vastly superior to the Tau models.

In terms of what? The Fire Warriors are fine, as are the Devilfish chassis vehicles and the Stealth Suits. The only things that really needed to be done are easy for them to do. They've already shown that they can scan in vehicles (Piranha and Skyray), and Forge World's XV-8 suits are getting to be old at this point--but they've been, by all accounts, damned good sellers. It doesn't hurt GW any to pull the mold layouts from FW and tool up a plastic mold for them.

Secondly, as an avid GW hobbyist and gamer for 20 years now I see absolutely no problems whatsoever in Matt Ward's work. I can't see how he has even affected the background by any significant measure not to mention somehow 'screwing it up' irreparably.

Grey Knights becoming just another Space Marine Chapter. Jokaero in the Grey Knights book. Dreadknight. Stormraven.
Should I go on?

In game terms even his worst army book to date, the Daemons of Chaos, isn't the most imbalanced GW army publication to date.

Because it's old. The Blood Angels book and seemingly the Grey Knights book are far worse than the Daemons book was.

I haven't said anything was "fact". I'm going off a logical chain of conclusions. However, if you want some 'facts': Goodwin has flatout said that he wants to give Eldar the same treatment he gave Dark Eldar. But he won't be doing that for awhile, as he wants to do the Sisters of Battle first. And Goodwin gets to throw quite a bit of weight around when it comes to what he wants to do and how it fits into the schedule.

The one good thing about the 'Dark Eldar treatment' is Goodwin doing the models instead of one of the untalented never-beens at the studio who should've retired years ago from the business. Gaming wise the Dark Eldar could be a lot better, and release wise they should've got more models already.

In terms of what? The Fire Warriors are fine, as are the Devilfish chassis vehicles and the Stealth Suits. The only things that really needed to be done are easy for them to do. They've already shown that they can scan in vehicles (Piranha and Skyray), and Forge World's XV-8 suits are getting to be old at this point--but they've been, by all accounts, damned good sellers. It doesn't hurt GW any to pull the mold layouts from FW and tool up a plastic mold for them.

Fire Warriors are decent and the Piranha is good aswell. Fire Warriors could do with a new sprue though with more bitz and some heavy/special weapons. All types of battlesuits from the special characters on down to Crisis Suits, Stealth Suits and Broadsides are absolutely awful. The Devilfish chassis tanks leave a lot to be desired, especially the Skyray and the Hammerhead, but they probably won't be redone unfortunately. Vespid are awful and the Kroot extras like the Ox are awful. Tau also need a large amount of new units to make up for the lack of diversity in the codex, and all of the new units need new models.

Like I said, Necrons are in a better situation. The Monolith in quality is the equal of the Tau tanks, but the Warriors, Immortals, lords, C'tan and Flayed Ones are all excellent sculpts. The Destroyers could be better but they're still better then Tau Battlesuits which I find utterly laughable both in concept and execution. Scarabs work. Pariahs are bad. What the Necrons need are new units to make up for the lack of diversity and lack of units in the codex, and all of the new units need new models.

Grey Knights becoming just another Space Marine Chapter. Jokaero in the Grey Knights book. Dreadknight. Stormraven.

Grey Knights get a lot of Inquisition troops into their armies with the henchman units. The henchman unit can be customised to dozens of different configurations and allows for nearly infinite conversion opportunities for many Imperial sub-groups. As far as the Dreadknight is concerned I see no problems with it, but even if one would dislike the concept behind it I can't really imagine that Matt Ward would be solely responsible for it. He isn't an artist or a sculptor. He writes rules and backgrounds and even if he came up with the idea that there should be a Grey Knight specific walker in the army there's an entire team responsible for what it turned out to be. Personally I think it's fine and fits with the new style of 40K codex design. Every book is getting something completely new and unforeseen instead of the boring same old books with rehashed fluff, statlines and points costs. Some of this new stuff gets models right away and some of it doesn't.

I'm sure you've noticed 40K has been different all edition. We get 'new' units and creatures with every army book release now. People complained that all Space Marine army books were the same and now all of them are quite different with some unique units and playstyles while IG now has legal access to most of the Forgeworld tank arsenal. Even the Xenos books get units that we couldn't have expected before (multiple new Tyranid monsters, new DE transports and flyers). In my opinion 40K has never been better and the longer it stays like this the better.

Should I go on?

No, please don't.

Therion wrote:

Please, actually read. I'm not saying that "Necrons can't be released before Tau because they will need a lot of new kits". I'm saying that if Necrons are being delayed, then they'll fit what they can into that slot based on the design schedule. Right now, Tau are the easiest fit for this short of notice. They've had the Pathfinders done for a long time, the can scan in FW's suits and the Kroothounds/Krootoxes, and the Demiurg shouldn't be too hard for them to do on short notice.

Supposedly the real reason we're seeing Necrons delayed is because of the book's fluff contents as a reactionary measure based upon how many fans are reacting to the Grey Knights' fluff. But people are acting as though it's a bad thing that Matt Ward might be forced to actually redo the background and make it far less stupidly over the top. It's really not a bad thing if he gets called to answer for his feth-ups now before he completely screws up the background irreparably.

That's a lot of hypothesis. We don't know if Necrons are being delayed or not so I find it unnecessary to endlessly speculate on the possible motives behind something that may or may not happen at all. Additionally, I disagree on a number of things you like to imagine as facts. I think Tau need atleast an equal amount of work as the Necrons. If anything the old Necron models are vastly superior to the Tau models. Secondly, as an avid GW hobbyist and gamer for 20 years now I see absolutely no problems whatsoever in Matt Ward's work. I can't see how he has even affected the background by any significant measure not to mention somehow 'screwing it up' irreparably. In game terms even his worst army book to date, the Daemons of Chaos, isn't the most imbalanced GW army publication to date.

Well that and the fact that we've got confirmation of the Haemonculi, Wracks, Talos/Engine and Scourges coming out in May.

Whether they come in May or not (while the most important transport in the book and both the flyers still wouldn't have models) is irrelevant because the people in the know said all Dark Eldar models would be released as a single release together with the Codex: DE. That turned out to be a blatant lie.

What confuses me is that, if you are the same Therion I remember, the one who years ago used VC to win in 6th ed when people were sure that VC were noncompetitive in 6th ed, then I am utterly dumbfounded how you can even say that. Unless you are referring to the 40k Demons book, but I was not aware Ward did that one. I know only that he is responsible for the festering pile of unmitigable brokenness that is the WHFB Chaos Demons army. Nearly every piece in the list is under costed and over powered, regardless of 7th or 8th edition. 8th lowered the power of it's nearest competitors (VC) by nerfing them to near oblivion, and evening out DE (their next closest competitors) yet left Demons nearly unchanged in strength.

On the topic of waiting for models: regardless of release, Tau or Necrons, we can be assured that the models will not all be ready at the time of release. For a company that supposedly makes their money one models, they sure seem to not like making them.

What confuses me is that, if you are the same Therion I remember, the one who years ago used VC to win in 6th ed when people were sure that VC were noncompetitive in 6th ed, then I am utterly dumbfounded how you can even say that. Unless you are referring to the 40k Demons book, but I was not aware Ward did that one. I know only that he is responsible for the festering pile of unmitigable brokenness that is the WHFB Chaos Demons army. Nearly every piece in the list is under costed and over powered, regardless of 7th or 8th edition. 8th lowered the power of it's nearest competitors (VC) by nerfing them to near oblivion, and evening out DE (their next closest competitors) yet left Demons nearly unchanged in strength.

On the topic of waiting for models: regardless of release, Tau or Necrons, we can be assured that the models will not all be ready at the time of release. For a company that supposedly makes their money one models, they sure seem to not like making them.

I'm pretty sure I'm the same Therion you're thinking about. I made no claims about the Daemons of Chaos not being imbalanced. I said it wasn't the most imbalanced GW book to date. That spot undoubtedly belongs to Pete Haines' Chaos Space Marines; A Codex that was so flexible, all-encompassing and powerful that the knee-jerk reaction to the opposite direction inevitably lead to such awesome creations of imagination and excellence as Codex Dark Angels and the current Chaos Space Marines.

About the models you're absolutely spot on.

Therion wrote:

I haven't said anything was "fact". I'm going off a logical chain of conclusions. However, if you want some 'facts': Goodwin has flatout said that he wants to give Eldar the same treatment he gave Dark Eldar. But he won't be doing that for awhile, as he wants to do the Sisters of Battle first. And Goodwin gets to throw quite a bit of weight around when it comes to what he wants to do and how it fits into the schedule.

The one good thing about the 'Dark Eldar treatment' is Goodwin doing the models instead of one of the untalented never-beens at the studio who should've retired years ago from the business. Gaming wise the Dark Eldar could be a lot better, and release wise they should've got more models already.

Gaming wise they could have been done far, far better. But that's what you get with Phil Kelly writing your book instead of Matt Ward
Release wise I think they're doing okay. I mean the army launched on what, 5th of October 2010? We're seeing the final release wave coming in the next few months, and the line's finished out with that.

That entire release timeframe is less than what we saw between the initial release and then the second wave of Blood Angels. Some of the releases could be better, no doubt. But for an entirely redesigned range, there's a surprisingly low amount of 'duds'.

In terms of what? The Fire Warriors are fine, as are the Devilfish chassis vehicles and the Stealth Suits. The only things that really needed to be done are easy for them to do. They've already shown that they can scan in vehicles (Piranha and Skyray), and Forge World's XV-8 suits are getting to be old at this point--but they've been, by all accounts, damned good sellers. It doesn't hurt GW any to pull the mold layouts from FW and tool up a plastic mold for them.

Fire Warriors are decent and the Piranha is good aswell. Fire Warriors could do with a new sprue though with more bitz and some heavy/special weapons. All types of battlesuits from the special characters on down to Crisis Suits, Stealth Suits and Broadsides are absolutely awful.

Disagree on Stealth Suits. They don't look as good as the original metals, but they're definitely not "absolutely awful". Vehemently disagree on "Fire Warriors could use some heavy/special weapons". Part of what makes the Tau unique is that they don't put special weapons in their squads like the other races(aside from Necrons) do. They rely on specialist units operating in tandem with the rest. Maybe special weapons drones could work though.

The Devilfish chassis tanks leave a lot to be desired, especially the Skyray and the Hammerhead, but they probably won't be redone unfortunately. Vespid are awful and the Kroot extras like the Ox are awful. Tau also need a large amount of new units to make up for the lack of diversity in the codex, and all of the new units need new models.

Vespid definitely are awful, no doubt. The tanks I don't see many issues with.

Like I said, Necrons are in a better situation. The Monolith in quality is the equal of the Tau tanks, but the Warriors, Immortals, lords, C'tan and Flayed Ones are all excellent sculpts. The Destroyers could be better but they're still better then Tau Battlesuits which I find utterly laughable both in concept and execution. Scarabs work. Pariahs are bad. What the Necrons need are new units to make up for the lack of diversity and lack of units in the codex, and all of the new units need new models.

Agreed. But they're supposedly redoing a large amount of the Necron range, not simply because "new is better!" but more to go along with the idea of "New is better, but so is a theme change".

Grey Knights becoming just another Space Marine Chapter. Jokaero in the Grey Knights book. Dreadknight. Stormraven.

Grey Knights get a lot of Inquisition troops into their armies with the henchman units. The henchman unit can be customised to dozens of different configurations and allows for nearly infinite conversion opportunities for many Imperial sub-groups. As far as the Dreadknight is concerned I see no problems with it, but even if one would dislike the concept behind it I can't really imagine that Matt Ward would be solely responsible for it. He isn't an artist or a sculptor.

Supposedly he is an artist, actually. More on the Dreadknight in a minute though...

He writes rules and backgrounds and even if he came up with the idea that there should be a Grey Knight specific walker in the army there's an entire team responsible for what it turned out to be.

The "head writer" on a book has, by all accounts, final veto power on designs.

Personally I think it's fine and fits with the new style of 40K codex design. Every book is getting something completely new and unforeseen instead of the boring same old books with rehashed fluff, statlines and points costs. Some of this new stuff gets models right away and some of it doesn't.

The background of it isn't what irks myself or many others about the Dreadknight. It's the model execution. Nothing about it links it to the Imperium. When you look at it, if there wasn't a Grey Knight sitting in it--there's no way in hell you'd immediately link it to the Imperium.

I'm sure you've noticed 40K has been different all edition. We get 'new' units and creatures with every army book release now. People complained that all Space Marine army books were the same and now all of them are quite different with some unique units and playstyles while IG now has legal access to most of the Forgeworld tank arsenal.

Several of those tanks, however, had been in before the 3rd edition IG book.

Even the Xenos books get units that we couldn't have expected before (multiple new Tyranid monsters, new DE transports and flyers). In my opinion 40K has never been better and the longer it stays like this the better.

What "new DE transports" were there? The Venom has been in 40k's background for a long time. The only place, however, it was existing was within the IA Harlequin list. The flyers look like they're just a rename and 'reimagination' of the FW flyers that the Dark Eldar had.

Should I go on?

No, please don't.

But I had so many more...

Can I make a motion to change the thread's name to "Matt Ward hate - 2011"?

Therion wrote:

What confuses me is that, if you are the same Therion I remember, the one who years ago used VC to win in 6th ed when people were sure that VC were noncompetitive in 6th ed, then I am utterly dumbfounded how you can even say that. Unless you are referring to the 40k Demons book, but I was not aware Ward did that one. I know only that he is responsible for the festering pile of unmitigable brokenness that is the WHFB Chaos Demons army. Nearly every piece in the list is under costed and over powered, regardless of 7th or 8th edition. 8th lowered the power of it's nearest competitors (VC) by nerfing them to near oblivion, and evening out DE (their next closest competitors) yet left Demons nearly unchanged in strength.

On the topic of waiting for models: regardless of release, Tau or Necrons, we can be assured that the models will not all be ready at the time of release. For a company that supposedly makes their money one models, they sure seem to not like making them.

I'm pretty sure I'm the same Therion you're thinking about. I made no claims about the Daemons of Chaos not being imbalanced. I said it wasn't the most imbalanced GW book to date. That spot undoubtedly belongs to Pete Haines' Chaos Space Marines; A Codex that was so flexible, all-encompassing and powerful that the knee-jerk reaction to the opposite direction inevitably lead to such awesome creations of imagination and excellence as Codex Dark Angels and the current Chaos Space Marines.

About the models you're absolutely spot on.

Going to have to disagree about the status of C: CSM for 3rd ed. Naturally one can't disagree about the Iron Warriors, given the GT year that saw the top ten armies as:

IW
IW
Seer Council Eldar
IW
IW
IW
IW
Seer Council Eldar
Marines
IW

But other than that army, I saw no other amazing uber combos that could not be stopped. Everything else was good, solid, and playable. Except 1K Sons, of course, but still.

WHFB Demons have broken builds regardless of the god or combination. Every build of Demons is powerful, and you would be hard pressed to make a list that wasn't. Demons upset the powerbalance of the game in an intense and radical way. It seems more forgiveable to me to make a mistake for one list combo that's broken and excuse it as an oversight than to allow an entire army book whose every attempt at list construction is unrealisticly founded, and truly call into question if GW even playtests before release!

But other than that army, I saw no other amazing uber combos that could not be stopped. Everything else was good, solid, and playable. Except 1K Sons, of course, but still.

Siren Daemon Prince with 7 minor powers couldn't be killed at all. No model like this has never before and never since existed in 40K or FB. I went undefeated for ages with CSM. Battlecannons were overpowered for what they could do and daemonic possession combined with the hull down rules was ridiculous. The Glaive Khorne DP with speed or the the infiltrating speed Lieutenants with S6 power weapons weren't much friendlier. Additionally the veteran skills could be abused to make entirely tank hunting 6 havoc squad armies or entirely infiltrating armies. Bloodletters were even better than what Grey Knights are now and daemonbombs involving Daemonettes worked as well. It wasn't just the IW that were imbalanced. I guess the codex was loved and hated in equal measure as I've never seen any army be as popular as CSM was back then.

Some remarks:

1.) Releases rarely get pushed back, it is the rumours about them that change.
2.) Releases never get pushed back because GW suddenly finds out that Mat Ward is not that good in writing background
3.) Mat Ward's Daemons of Chaos army book still has a special position, as it single handedly and ultimately broke competitive play in 7th edition. Slightly remedied in 8th edition, because lucky dice rolls in magic make competitive play generally difficult to impossible.
4.) There are rumours about 3 armies being close to a release: Necrons, Tau and Sororitas. There have been rumours about all of them, but not much confirmation or backup, so treat all of them with caution. BTW Warseer moderator Darnok is certain that Sororitas will see a release this year.
5.) I am not aware of rumour posters having suggested a Dark Eldar mega release, at least not since January 2010. Actually, Harry and others were quite certain of a big wave with the release, a minor wave 1.5 (which is the March release) and a major second wave, which now is confirmed for June (not May), consistent with what Jes Goodwin said about 90% of units getting a model until June.

4.) I am not aware of rumour posters having suggested a Dark Eldar mega release, at least not since January 2010. Actually, Harry and others were quite certain of a big wave with the release, a minor wave 1.5 (which is the March release) and a major second wave, which now is confirmed for June (not May), consistent with what Jes Goodwin said about 90% of units getting a model until June.

Quite certain eh? Please do me a favour and link me to a post that is dated to summer/spring 2010, meaning prior to the actual DE release, where you or anyone else on Dakka says what you just described.

I've also heard of Tyranid 2nd wave releases happening sometime this year as well, if that is so, then 40k is really getting some love from GW, because they have been already releasing alot of new 40k models this year, and the fact we still have many more to come is kinda suprising.

Therion wrote:

4.) I am not aware of rumour posters having suggested a Dark Eldar mega release, at least not since January 2010. Actually, Harry and others were quite certain of a big wave with the release, a minor wave 1.5 (which is the March release) and a major second wave, which now is confirmed for June (not May), consistent with what Jes Goodwin said about 90% of units getting a model until June.

Quite certain eh? Please do me a favour and link me to a post that is dated to summer/spring 2010, meaning prior to the actual DE release, where you or anyone else on Dakka says what you just described.

Sure:
Quick search finds this rumour summary on 31st August by me including that:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/314450.page
But at that time I knew it for quite some time. I will do some search and post it here.
Edit: Bell of Lost Souls speaks of the correct 1st wave on July 31st:
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2010/07/40k-rumors-dark-eldar-1st-wave-tidbits.html

Therion wrote:The pictures came 4 months later than promised and the army release wasn't anything spectacular..

1.) The army release WAS spectacular, read the threads when the first pics were shown.
2.) Who exactly promised pics 4 months early? GW doesn't do such things for quite some time.

Quick search finds this rumour summary on 31st August by me including that

August is late. That's practically autumn. I was promised pictures from the Studio 'within a month' during April of 2010 by Waaagh Gonads for example.

The army release WAS spectacular, read the threads when the first pics were shown.

Read the threads? What the heck do you mean? You mean it was spectacular because people thought the models are good? To me it didn't live up to the hype since about half of the units didn't get models.

Who exactly promised pics 4 months early? GW doesn't do such things for quite some time.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/60/291960.page

I see guys like BrassScorpion, Erasoketa right there and on the next page and onwards many others including Mannahnin trying to ridicule my assumption that we'll get the Dark Eldar but in multiple waves instead of in one huge release. I was labeled 'a denier' and my opinions 'unwarranted pessimism'. Hilarious, really.

Difficult to find thread that old, but in the thread you linked to, I already mentioned the second wave (29th April):
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/120/291960.page

Kroothawk wrote:Just because some people are uncertain about this:

1.) It is confirmed that the whole range of DE miniatures will get new models.
2.) Jes was sculpting for the last 3 years or so to achieve this. He got all the time he needed, so this is not comparable to the BA release.
3.) Most models are ready, the Codex at the printers.
4.) Some people have seen them and say that they are awesome.
5.) Not all are ready, some will be released in a second wave, which usually is more than 6 months later.
6.) If you do lists of units, leave room for new units, as all new Codices feature new stuff.

And I hope, April is spring enough for you

That's a good find and validates your credibility as a rumour guy a great deal. The 15 other guys in the thread arguing against me though, not so much.

Therion wrote:That's a good find and validates your credibility as a rumour guy a great deal. The 15 other guys in the thread arguing against me though, not so much.

He's not a rumour guy.

Kroothawk is...The Compiler.

*cue dramatic music*

"When there's information to be found...he finds it..."

Kanluwen wrote:He's not a rumour guy.
Kroothawk is...The Compiler.
*cue dramatic music*
"When there's information to be found...he finds it..."

Actually, I am also a rumour guy (e.g. first pics of Vostroyans, Shadowsun, Wood Elf Eagle, Manor House, Oval base for Dreadknight), and not only for non-GW products.
But most of the time, you see me compiling. You are the guy who misreads them (Dark Eldar second wave in May )

Kroothawk wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:He's not a rumour guy.
Kroothawk is...The Compiler.
*cue dramatic music*
"When there's information to be found...he finds it..."

Actually, I am also a rumour guy (e.g. first pics of Vostroyans, Shadowsun, Wood Elf Eagle, Manor House, Oval base for Dreadknight), and not only for non-GW products.
But most of the time, you see me compiling. You are the guy who misreads them (Dark Eldar second wave in May )

Pft. I said May because I wanted May.

And everyone knows that Games Workshop listens to me. It's why the Australians have to pay so much. Because HBMC is mean to me here

And don't deny The Compiler. You could be like The Terminator, but with hotlinked images and quotes!

QUOTES, KROOTHAWK!

Kanluwen wrote:

Therion wrote:That's a good find and validates your credibility as a rumour guy a great deal. The 15 other guys in the thread arguing against me though, not so much.

He's not a rumour guy.

Kroothawk is...The Compiler.

*cue dramatic music*

"When there's information to be found...he finds it..."

"How did you know the Necron Lord release would be a combination of a hip-hop theme combined with transformers?"

"It's not a gift... it's a curse."

Kroothawk is... The Compiler! Season 1 starts June 1st! Set your Tivos!

I have to wonder if we'll ever see anything coming of this Tau piece:


Also:
Ouze, I have bookmarked that quote. I am quoting you on that Necron Lord combination of hip-hop and Transformers if it happens.

Kanluwen wrote:You could be like The Terminator, but with hotlinked images and quotes!

If I were the Terminator, I would have been send from the future to kill Mat Ward and save the future of Games Workshop
But I am more #5 (movie "Short Circuit")

There won’t be any armies released in early/mid summer because with DE wave 2.0 followed by the summer expansion, and with several armies getting new units then, Games Workshop wants customers buying those new boxes, not buying a new army. So that means that the next release will be in the fall (September/October. Maybe August, but I doubt it.)

Despite how much I personally want witch hunters, the sisters are not the next army. I wouldn’t expect them before 2012 personally, no matter how awesome it would be.

Necrons are very likely next just because they are pretty much done. I can’t see why they would hold off on their release past October, and wouldn’t be surprised at an incoming e-mail some time mid summer, after the expansion. As far as Tau, they will be released at the beginning of summer 2012, just before 6th edition. Sort of like Eldar, where they were a 4th edition army built for 5th edition.

Kroothawk wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:You could be like The Terminator, but with hotlinked images and quotes!

If I were the Terminator, I would have been send from the future to kill Mat Ward and save the future of Games Workshop
But I am more #5

I didn't say you'd be a good Terminator, Kroothawk.

Tabitha wrote:There won’t be any armies released in early/mid summer because that’s when the expansion is dropping, and with several armies getting new units then, Games Workshop wants customers buying those new boxes, not buying a new army. So that means that the next release will be in the fall (September/October. Maybe August, but I doubt it.)

Despite how much I personally want witch hunters, the sisters are not the next army. I wouldn’t expect them before 2012 personally, no matter how awesome it would be.

Necrons are very likely next just because they are pretty much done. I can’t see why they would hold off on their release past October, and wouldn’t be surprised at an incoming e-mail some time mid summer, after the expansion. As far as Tau, they will be released at the beginning of summer 2012, just before 6th edition. Sort of like Eldar, where they were a 4th edition army built for 5th edition.

Fits quite well with existing rumours.

Sorry, what expansion is this that you speak of?

A flyer expansion. With aircraft. Pewpewpew!

Scarey Nerd wrote:Sorry, what expansion is this that you speak of?

"Wartorn Skies", WD flyer expansion with new models.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/342197.page
But there is something cooking for Fantasy as well:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/335097.page

Kanluwen wrote:I have to wonder if we'll ever see anything coming of this Tau piece:


Also:
Ouze, I have bookmarked that quote. I am quoting you on that Necron Lord combination of hip-hop and Transformers if it happens.

I would love to see those models released, but IIRC they were said to be a new sculptors work who was showing GW what he could do or something like that.