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Melcavuk wrote:Pretre: They got cheaper though, a new bike is now one shoota boy less than an old bike?

So?

Every SM biker got cheaper AND got new rules. We get cheaper and lose rules.

Wait...can you take a deff dread with the kan mob??

DOES RED PAINT JOB STILL EXIST?

Should change my Warboss' name to Ben Dover? I run a horde of Shoota Boyz, which now seems like a loosing list. No decent cover from the KFF, no Fearless, no armor save, cost more points...I am no longer motivated to play... :(

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
Wow, they took a army that had a lot of choices, hadn't been updatd for like 7 years and apparently took away the choices they did have and gave them worse rules O_o

That's been the modus operandi for the entirety of 6th edition already, hasn't it? Copy/paste the previous codex, nerf the most popular build, make some minor tweaks and shoehorn in the 3 new plastic models. Done.

I can only say to that that my 6th ed. space marines codex is great. I couldn't have hoped for better and, at the time, I was very very much convinced that they had set the bar high for codex conception and was very hopfull for Codex: Tyranids. GW failed to deliver options to the nidz and now this. It is not looking good unfortunatelly.

Ugh, it feels like I just found out that my wife is pregnant.

Wagon went up by 20, Kill Kannon is now half the price for it, 5 point drops for both lobba and Zzap gun on it. Weapon options the same as ever.

Trukk dropped by 5, ramshackle is now a 6 to move a pen to a glance. Rokkit is a free exchange.

 Multimoog wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:


Only the vehicle gets the save now? it no longer extends it from the hull 6" out? ewwwww......thats a huge hit to wagon lists and also puts a noose in my gorkanaut idea (kff mek + 5 burnas with 3 meks inside gorkanaut giving the kff buff around him and 4 4+ chances to fix said gorkanaut)

This makes no sense, the WD that introduced the morkonaut specifically says the KFF extends from the base of the mork

Well the situation in question is where the passenger has the kff, whilet the morkanaut itself has the kff

Bummer, ramshackle was great fun.

Weirdboy powers and general feel?

Multimoog wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:


Only the vehicle gets the save now? it no longer extends it from the hull 6" out? ewwwww......thats a huge hit to wagon lists and also puts a noose in my gorkanaut idea (kff mek + 5 burnas with 3 meks inside gorkanaut giving the kff buff around him and 4 4+ chances to fix said gorkanaut)

This makes no sense, the WD that introduced the morkonaut specifically says the KFF extends from the base of the mork

That was for the Morkanuaghts own KFF, not the Mek embarked.

greggles wrote:Wait...can you take a deff dread with the kan mob??

No, still seperate choices

deffrekka wrote:DOES RED PAINT JOB STILL EXIST?

Yes, but only +1 inch to flat out moves.



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 Ratius wrote:
Bummer, ramshackle was great fun.

Weirdboy powers and general feel?

Ork powers and Daemonology, Ork powers are fun and useful (high strength, or teleporting, but high strength mostly)

SM Codex is what all the codexes should be. No glaring weaknesses or strengths, least far as i can tell (i own it but no army). But thats the only codex theyve released that was actually balanced out.

6+ to remove a pen is just dumb. Its a trukk, they dont take HP they get wrecked outright with a chance to go boom in the process if fired at. Also means the S3 wounds to models inside is gone, which was the trukk's biggest boon since it made it significantly harder to wound our t-shirt covered orky hides.

 Multimoog wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:


Only the vehicle gets the save now? it no longer extends it from the hull 6" out? ewwwww......thats a huge hit to wagon lists and also puts a noose in my gorkanaut idea (kff mek + 5 burnas with 3 meks inside gorkanaut giving the kff buff around him and 4 4+ chances to fix said gorkanaut)

This makes no sense, the WD that introduced the morkonaut specifically says the KFF extends from the base of the mork

I believe he mentioned earlier that KFFs embarked on a vehicle no longer confer the save 6" out. So I'm guessing the Morkanaut's KFF (because it's mounted on the walker) will still give the 6" out 5++ save.

Damn it.. No more 7" move, 6" disembark and 2D6 assault... Guess boarding plank and the new waaagh! rules make up for it

Any changes to the Bommers (Dakkajet/Burnabommer/Blitza Bommer) ?

Does Painboy allow Cybork bodies? & does he give FNP to his unit?

Waaagh banner stil exist?

Zzap gun is mildly less likely to fry a grot (on a str 11 or 12 shot it gets hot on 1-3 rather than insta fry grot).

I unfortunately didnt own the data sheet for the flyers previously, Dakka jet is still cheapest and most useful tho

There's no way they >did over< our orks this bad. I'll wait to see that book before I buy into the rumor frenzy going on here.

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Also the whole punching yourself on the Mob Rule? Also happens on pinning tests.

 Jidmah wrote:

 Melcavuk wrote:
Hrmm, still works to buy and download now. I thought they'd of fixed it. But the codex is really cool!


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My current personal favourite: Warboss with Mega Armour, git Finda, Da Finkin Kap and Ded Shiny Shoota for a slow and purposeful, 2 warlord trait flash git stile boss. Who would confer said rule to a git unit and therefore to my understanding always be BS3.

Doesn't work for me. Is there any trick to it?

I took a look at their webpage code, and it seems that there is a backdoor for allowing a test user to test the download link. If you for some reason match up with that test-user, you'll get the download.

So, in other words: If you're lucky, you might get the codex. At least they are consistent, even forging narratives on their releases

Stashgordon36 wrote:
There's no way they raped our orks this bad. I'll wait to see that book before I buy into the rumor frenzy going on here.

I am literally answering questions from the codex. Directly and as written.

Yeah what's the Painboy do now? Is Cybork body and Feel No Pain in there?

Also that seems like a Heavy choice for HQ seriously.

Either that or its the greatest Troll of all time Mel
joking.

Stashgordon36 wrote:
There's no way they raped our orks this bad. I'll wait to see that book before I buy into the rumor frenzy going on here.

The first stage: Denial.

Ghaz is eternal warrior, but lost whatever Adamantium skill did for him. (Points, stats, wargear the same otherwise)

Painboy gives FNP, independant character, urty syringe (4+ poison, AP - )

What with the increase in shoota boy cost, it's looking like most Ork lists won't be playable under 1500 - you need to factor in multiple HQ to protect boy blobs and nobs to reroll tables -

Any changes to grotzookas, big choppas, and nob squad price?

Any change to the pricing for Nob/Boss melee weapons?

Does the new Mob rule also apply for Fear checks?

Any change to unit/Nob/Boss leadership?

Stashgordon36 wrote:
There's no way they raped our orks this bad. I'll wait to see that book before I buy into the rumor frenzy going on here.

its not rumors, been reading this typed differently on another website, no copypasta.

Grotzooka stats the same, Big Choppa gained AP 5, Nobz got a very mild points drop.

 Melcavuk wrote:

Stashgordon36 wrote:
There's no way they raped our orks this bad. I'll wait to see that book before I buy into the rumor frenzy going on here.

I am literally answering questions from the codex. Directly and as written.

Is there ANYTHING that makes my horde list still valid, or do I have to rebuild? Did Grots get anything worth a crap?
I have a Nob squad with Cybork bodeez, Painboy, Waaagh! Banner...is that even still allowed?