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decoy101 wrote:but arent all new codex that are coming out now based upon 6th ed rules

such as why do necron destroyers have preferred enemy

I honestly still don't buy it myself. There has to be certain rules new to 6th they have to avoid in order to keep them secret. I don't care if Tau gets released at the end of the year so long as it's post 6th edition release.

Dantalian wrote:

decoy101 wrote:but arent all new codex that are coming out now based upon 6th ed rules

such as why do necron destroyers have preferred enemy

I honestly still don't buy it myself. There has to be certain rules new to 6th they have to avoid in order to keep them secret. I don't care if Tau gets released at the end of the year so long as it's post 6th edition release.

Which they could still add in an FAQ after the release, were GW inclined to be so forward thinking.

Nagashek wrote:

Dantalian wrote:

decoy101 wrote:but arent all new codex that are coming out now based upon 6th ed rules

such as why do necron destroyers have preferred enemy

I honestly still don't buy it myself. There has to be certain rules new to 6th they have to avoid in order to keep them secret. I don't care if Tau gets released at the end of the year so long as it's post 6th edition release.

Which they could still add in an FAQ after the release, were GW inclined to be so forward thinking.

It only took GW over 2 years to answer question that came up with the release of 5th rules that couldn't be answered with rules as written. I have absolutely no faith in GW anymore when it comes to codex maintenance. Like I'm fairly certain is Tau were to go into 6th without a codex release, they wouldn't have a FAQ for a considerable amount of time.

Then again I am being negative, but I am just drawing from GWs past performances.

Guess I'll be making terrain for the foreseeable future >_>

Huh. Well, time will tell I suppose.

Been thinking, and this is just speculation, but what if they 'buffed' Firewarriors by basically making every Firewarrior a Pathfinder? That is, all Pulse rifles also had markerlights.

That would fit in with the 'high tech' 'Ghost Recon-y' feel of the Firewarriors. Squads Bob and Larry are manuvering away from and advancing Spehss Marine attack. They post up, fire marker lights, bringing in the good Dakka from the Skyrays to pop the Metal Boxes. The Sphess Marines being Sphess Marines are undeterred, and advance shouting obscenities like Xbox Live kiddies. Knuckling up, Squad Bob fires marker lights buffing Squad Larry as Squad Larry uses something like First Rank Fire, Second Rank Fire to chop that meat up with concentrated pulse fire.

Or maybe they get an option to fire their grenade launchers in lieu of their normal shooting for an auto pin if so many "wounds" were taken, allowing safe passage. I mean, Tau were keeping head to head with Tyranids as far as adaptation goes (though theirs was technological) so maybe they have some kind of tear gas that would make even a space marine pause to cough up his guts for a few seconds-again, keeping in with the "special forces/high tech" appeal of Tau.

I still have a nasty feeling that it will probably be Black Templars next anyways. Oh well, back to Skyrim. Time to make a Shadow Scale.

There would be too many marker lights, and reduce the point of units such as the Marker drone and Sky Ray.

Nagashek wrote:What in the deuce do GK even have to get released yet?

This is an old list, so the Grey Knight release WAS the Codex release. Check the list and you see what Harry wanted to say: The earlier he heard about something, the sooner they got a release, with Dark Eldar being something special.

Dantalian wrote:It only took GW over 2 years to answer question that came up with the release of 5th rules that couldn't be answered with rules as written. I have absolutely no faith in GW anymore when it comes to codex maintenance. Like I'm fairly certain is Tau were to go into 6th without a codex release, they wouldn't have a FAQ for a considerable amount of time.

Then again I am being negative, but I am just drawing from GWs past performances.

Guess I'll be making terrain for the foreseeable future >_>

You're really not being negative. GW has spent many years forging and tempering their reputation as a consumer neglecting company. Our lack of faith in their ability to sustain non-SM armies is something they've worked very long and very hard to earn. Their unwavering disloyalty to us has inspired our disloyalty to them.

Never be ashamed of your growing disinterest.

On topic: I would love to see see Tau grow more numerous and deadly in their new fluff. The last codex painted them up to be a race that's lucky to be alive and probably won't be for much longer. The Damocles Crusade should have been a crushing defeat for the imperium, but they turned it into "well we could have wiped out the Tau, but we needed to be elsewhere in a hurry." Kinda like the fall of Damnos. I've always hoped to see Tau ingenuity allow them to technologically overpower their enemies if given enough time to research and develop counter measures... But I get the feeling such an army would upset SM players with hurtful feelings of not being the most badass, so GW will move in the opposite direction and make Tau even easier to wipe out, thereby accentuating the ever growing badassness of SMs.

Archonate wrote:

Dantalian wrote:It only took GW over 2 years to answer question that came up with the release of 5th rules that couldn't be answered with rules as written. I have absolutely no faith in GW anymore when it comes to codex maintenance. Like I'm fairly certain is Tau were to go into 6th without a codex release, they wouldn't have a FAQ for a considerable amount of time.

Then again I am being negative, but I am just drawing from GWs past performances.

Guess I'll be making terrain for the foreseeable future >_>

You're really not being negative. GW has spent many years forging and tempering their reputation as a consumer neglecting company. Our lack of faith in their ability to sustain non-SM armies is something they've worked very long and very hard to earn. Their unwavering disloyalty to us has inspired our disloyalty to them.

Never be ashamed of your growing disinterest.

On topic: I would love to see see Tau grow more numerous and deadly in their new fluff. The last codex painted them up to be a race that's lucky to be alive and probably won't be for much longer. The Damocles Crusade should have been a crushing defeat for the imperium, but they turned it into "well we could have wiped out the Tau, but we needed to be elsewhere in a hurry." Kinda like the fall of Damnos. I've always hoped to see Tau ingenuity allow them to technologically overpower their enemies if given enough time to research and develop counter measures... But I get the feeling such an army would upset SM players with hurtful feelings of not being the most badass, so GW will move in the opposite direction and make Tau even easier to wipe out, thereby accentuating the ever growing badassness of SMs.

If we go even further, we can say that GW just cares about the most popular SM armys, since BT are so left behind all his so called battle brothers and fellow chapters, and most specially the DA, the most badass SM army i have ever seen yet, with only the GK with their special halo of awesomness on top of them. It`s a real, dumbass policy, seeing how many armys they have on 40k and how awesome they are, the Eldar, the DE, Necrons, Tyranids, Tau... So much coolnes, and awesomnes that can be so much better, but, since SMQ are so popular, they dont get the love they deserve, and should have to outrank SM on top of popularity... Something hard, with mmm 5 SM armys or more running on top of every table i see.

Or because they don't want to release every Space Marine army at once, and GK, BA, and Space Wolves all needed updates before Templars.

Stop using logic, Brother SRM. It's totally irrelevant to the point that Space Marines get more love than everyone else(despite GK, BA, DA, and Space Wolves all having been passed over to create the Tau in the first place--and the Tau getting two books in the time it took them to get one).

KaiserEddie wrote:
If we go even further, we can say that GW just cares about the most popular SM armys, since BT are so left behind all his so called battle brothers and fellow chapters, and most specially the DA, the most badass SM army i have ever seen yet, with only the GK with their special halo of awesomness on top of them. It`s a real, dumbass policy, seeing how many armys they have on 40k and how awesome they are, the Eldar, the DE, Necrons, Tyranids, Tau... So much coolnes, and awesomnes that can be so much better, but, since SMQ are so popular, they dont get the love they deserve, and should have to outrank SM on top of popularity... Something hard, with mmm 5 SM armys or more running on top of every table i see.

Let me get this straight: You like xenos more than marines, so therefore xenos are more awesome and everyone who doesn't think so is wrong?

Go back to your bridge.

Kanluwen wrote:Stop using logic, Brother SRM. It's totally irrelevant to the point that Space Marines get more love than everyone else(despite GK, BA, DA, and Space Wolves all having been passed over to create the Tau in the first place--and the Tau getting two books in the time it took them to get one).

But logic's all I know!

New rumors from bells:

-Battlesuit Commander: shifts ONE battlesuit unit to a Troops FOC slot.
-New Close Combat Battlesuit
-New Ethereal named character
-Ethereals will get upgraded to be the "leader" role in the Tau Empire army. (so not the best BS, or WS, but other interesting army-support tricks)
-New deepstriking Dropship (an Orca-ish platform on par with the IG valkyrie)
-Up-gunned Drone variants (specific anti-tank and anti-heavy infantry options) which can be attached to almost every TAU unit in the codex

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2012/01/40k-rumors-tau-upgrades-part-2.html

Kanluwen wrote:Stop using logic, Brother SRM. It's totally irrelevant to the point that Space Marines get more love than everyone else(despite GK, BA, DA, and Space Wolves all having been passed over to create the Tau in the first place--and the Tau getting two books in the time it took them to get one).

Do you not see the irony? What you are really saying here is "How dare you complain about how long it took your non-SM army to be updated, when my SM army has only received 4 or 5 updated rules variations instead of the 8 or 9 that it should have gotten before your army!!!

You speak as though GK, BA, DA, SW, etc. were different armies or something. They are not. They are rules variations FOR THE SAME ARMY.

They most certainly are not Archonate. Some people might treat their Marine armies in a modular fashion, but saying that GK, BA, DA and SW are all variations on the same army is quite wrong.

H.B.M.C. wrote:They most certainly are not Archonate. Some people might treat their Marine armies in a modular fashion, but saying that GK, BA, DA and SW are all variations on the same army is quite wrong.

Yes, thank you, finally someone who understands.

Also, I'll leave this here: If someone who likes Black Templars stays with his or her Codex, he's stuck with an old Codex that struggles, just like the old Xenos Codices. If he or she moves on to a newer Marine Codex (likely having to buy quite a bit of models in the process, something people often ignore), it's "bandwagoning" and the player in question should be shunned forever. Damned if you do, damned if you don't...

Are you guys done? Can we get back to Tau rumors? Like possible cc suits as posted on Bells?

I hope they don't give us cc suits, just tougher suits with fun rules to evade or exit cc (like the XV9s). Cc suits would feel like a cop out to me, like GW throwing us a bone and admitting that an army can't survive without dedicated cc squads.

Anyways, that's what Kroot are for! How about some Knarloc units for dedicated cc?

Hmm up gunned drones. Sounds like using the heavy weapon drones from FW. Probably though with more options as they only have twin linked burst cannons currently

I'll agree that CC suits sounds silly unless its some type of special unit for Farsight or something

Drop ship eh? Well everyone else is getting one I suppose

Heavy gun drones being attached to squads seems to me like the best option for squad versatility, since you don't break the existing fluff of Fire Warriors only using pulse rifles/carbines, and you get an interesting platform to field weapons on. I don't like the idea of CC suits at all, but hopefully that's one that doesn't pan out. Kroot-based CC units like Gnarloc riders and stuff would be cool though.

A 'CC' suit could mean anything, though. It doesn't necessarily have to be a unit that's really good at fisticuffs, just something that has use in CC. Which the Tau do need. Having a unit like that doesn't make much sense if it's a suit like the current ones but then it also depends on what the suit actually does.

synchronicity wrote:New rumors from bells:

-Battlesuit Commander: shifts ONE battlesuit unit to a Troops FOC slot. --
-New Ethereal named character
-Ethereals will get upgraded to be the "leader" role in the Tau Empire army. (so not the best BS, or WS, but other interesting army-support tricks)
-New deepstriking Dropship (an Orca-ish platform on par with the IG valkyrie)
-Up-gunned Drone variants (specific anti-tank and anti-heavy infantry options) which can be attached to almost every TAU unit in the codex

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2012/01/40k-rumors-tau-upgrades-part-2.html

I like all of those except the Close Combat battlesuit. Perhaps it will be something with two heavy flamers and two burst cannons. But why not just put them on drones?

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

KaiserEddie wrote:
If we go even further, we can say that GW just cares about the most popular SM armys, since BT are so left behind all his so called battle brothers and fellow chapters, and most specially the DA, the most badass SM army i have ever seen yet, with only the GK with their special halo of awesomness on top of them. It`s a real, dumbass policy, seeing how many armys they have on 40k and how awesome they are, the Eldar, the DE, Necrons, Tyranids, Tau... So much coolnes, and awesomnes that can be so much better, but, since SMQ are so popular, they dont get the love they deserve, and should have to outrank SM on top of popularity... Something hard, with mmm 5 SM armys or more running on top of every table i see.

Let me get this straight: You like xenos more than marines, so therefore xenos are more awesome and everyone who doesn't think so is wrong?

Go back to your bridge.

Im sorry, but thats not the point, i actually think that the Xenos army are better looking than SM, thats true, but, the problem is that there are too many of the SM armys, and i dont think that the more SM armys the better... The SM armys should be all into 1 Codex, with all the units represented on it, released at the same time, the way you paint them, and use the upgrades on bikes and shoulders to make them into the chapter you want to play, this will make it way more easy to balance everything, and never leave armys like the SoB without a proper Codex, and the BT/DA still into 4 edition, since they`re armys that i want to play some day (Mainly becuse the Lore into this armys), then we have the Inquisition with the GK, the SoB, and IG, i love all of this ones becouse they are not a copy of the others with a lil changes in the looks, and weaponry.

The overflow of too many SM armys is bad, becouse it just bumps their numbers in a stupid way, as i see it, GW never made a Vior`La sept Codex to make the Farsight conclaves an army, and it still exits. The Tyranids, have their Hive Fleets, Kraken, Behemoth and so, they gather all kind of biomass from planets, producing a way of different units one from other, and ever adapting, and still, they are all the same army nto 1 Codex. The Orks... Well, you can do whatever yu want with yur WAAAAAAGH!! and its still cool without overwlowing the market with 6 armys of the same guys just becouse they dont look the same, and have different Primarchs, but still use the same equipment (Dread, Termis, bikes, LR, Rhinos, infantiry melee and ranged weaponry), im still a noob into wargaming, but i cant get to see the need into having so many different armys for the same guys with so little differences between them, specially when the main diffrence is the paint scheme and looks...

Plastic Orca. Please. Or, the same lines, just half as big. I like the shape, I like the 4 nacells, I like the function. The size is a bit much, but I luuuuuurve it! I'd easily buy 3.

Nagashek wrote:Plastic Orca. Please. Or, the same lines, just half as big. I like the shape, I like the 4 nacells, I like the function. The size is a bit much, but I luuuuuurve it! I'd easily buy 3.

Ahh I don't know, to me the Orca is too boxy, but I like it's four engines. They're unlikely to give it to us however, as the Orca can carry both FW and Suits at the same time. My guess is we'll get something with a smaller carrying capacity.

synchronicity wrote:

Nagashek wrote:Plastic Orca. Please. Or, the same lines, just half as big. I like the shape, I like the 4 nacells, I like the function. The size is a bit much, but I luuuuuurve it! I'd easily buy 3.

Ahh I don't know, to me the Orca is too boxy, but I like it's four engines. They're unlikely to give it to us however, as the Orca can carry both FW and Suits at the same time. My guess is we'll get something with a smaller carrying capacity.

The precedent in normal 40k is already set for stuff like that (carrying different types of models at the same time). The storm raven carries a dread (which in apoc superheavy transports takes 10 infantry slots) as well as 12 infantry. I could see them coming out with something that does 2 or 3 regular crisis suits and 12 infantry.

KaiserEddie wrote:
Im sorry, but thats not the point, i actually think that the Xenos army are better looking than SM, thats true, but, the problem is that there are too many of the SM armys, and i dont think that the more SM armys the better...

You got it the wrong way around; there's not more Space Marine players because there's more codices, there's more codices becasue there's more Space Marine players. If the game was new I'd agree with you, but it's not. There's more Marine codices because Marines were the most popular way back when, dropping Marine codices now would reduce diversity because every single Marine player would be playing with the same Codex.

Back on topic:

Agreed on the CC-Suit, it just doesn't suit (pardon the pun) the Tau. As other posters have suggested, I too would rather see some sort of "stay out/get out of CC" special rules.

Could the cc mean Close quarters instead of close combat?

Warrior Squirrel wrote:Could the cc mean Close quarters instead of close combat?

Counter question: How many c's are in "close quarters"?

Warrior Squirrel wrote:Could the cc mean Close quarters instead of close combat?

You would be looking for CQC not CC.

The idea of a CC suit sounds a little weird and mildly a cop-out. But I have a feeling it will be demiurg, now I could see a bunch of space dwarves making a melee suit.
If anything a CC Tau suit would probably look really cool. I mean picture a more streamline (or heavy) crisis suit with a shield and some form of melee weapon.

I like the idea of a ethereal suit with a huge honor blade.