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 aracersss wrote:

 Mantle wrote:

Stalker bolter is a 30" str X AP 4 heavy2 sniper with special issue ammo

do you think the sniper profile would add to the different s.i. ammo?

Edit 1: also do you know what are silence bolters, and what does the big black shield does to the wielder? does it have a save?

I doubt it, but possible. The Silence bolters are almost certainly a translation of the stalker pattern boltgun.

The Big Shield is undoubtedly one of the relics, Dominus Aegis. Grants a 4++ to his entire squad if the bearer doesn't move.

 Drasius wrote:

 aracersss wrote:

 Mantle wrote:

Stalker bolter is a 30" str X AP 4 heavy2 sniper with special issue ammo

do you think the sniper profile would add to the different s.i. ammo?

Edit 1: also do you know what are silence bolters, and what does the big black shield does to the wielder? does it have a save?

I doubt it, but possible. The Silence bolters are almost certainly a translation of the stalker pattern boltgun.

The Big Shield is undoubtedly one of the relics, Dominus Aegis. Grants a 4++ to his entire squad if the bearer doesn't move.

It's undoubtably not, seeing as there are 2 of the big shields on the sprue. They're storm shields according to the assembly instructions.

 Jadenim wrote:
Just a thought on the terminators, given that the melta/powerfist thing is a codex option (& not just for the DWO salamander) and not available anywhere else, is it possible they'll be doing a dedicated DW terminator box? 'Cause GW don't do rules without models these days.

I would not be surprised in the least. GW doesn't make rules for stuff that doesn't have a model. Otherwise there really isn't a way to make this. I supposed you could start with a Chainfist and saw off the Chainsword portion and glue a Meltagun in its place, but that isn't always the best option. That is what I will probably be doing though since I don't really need an all new kit. I have enough DW Terminator pads and the upgrade kit fills the rest of that gap.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I would not be surprised in the least. GW doesn't make rules for stuff that doesn't have a model. Otherwise there really isn't a way to make this. I supposed you could start with a Chainfist and saw off the Chainsword portion and glue a Meltagun in its place, but that isn't always the best option. That is what I will probably be doing though since I don't really need an all new kit. I have enough DW Terminator pads and the upgrade kit fills the rest of that gap.

Betrayal at Calth combi melta piece should work nicely.

The upgrade sprue might have the pf/meltas on it.

methebest wrote:
The upgrade sprue might have the pf/meltas on it.

It doesn't. The contents were revealed earlier in the thread. It has ten PA Deathwatch pads, 2 Terminator Deathwatch pads, a Power Sword(possibly a xenos sword?), some heads(I think), and some DW icons.


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Wachaza wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I would not be surprised in the least. GW doesn't make rules for stuff that doesn't have a model. Otherwise there really isn't a way to make this. I supposed you could start with a Chainfist and saw off the Chainsword portion and glue a Meltagun in its place, but that isn't always the best option. That is what I will probably be doing though since I don't really need an all new kit. I have enough DW Terminator pads and the upgrade kit fills the rest of that gap.

Betrayal at Calth combi melta piece should work nicely.

For those that have it, probably. I have a few combi-melta pieces from bolters that would work nice too.

Hi all. Very excited by the upcoming releases although I would be needing to sell the Eldar, I have too many random little sets of minis as it is!

Regarding the black shield, this is my understanding of the fluff (quoted by the way from a wiki page because it saves me typing it up):

A Deathwatch Black Shield or simply, a Black Shield, is a rare Astartes who has severed all bonds with his former Chapter and has purposely obscured his Chapter's heraldry. In effect, the Battle-Brother is abandoning his Chapter through self-imposed exile. He then presents himself before a Watch Commander in order to petition for admittance to the Deathwatch.

How does the Kill Team rule works with Vets and Dreads/Bikes?

Could also use all the melta bits you have left over from your centurions, no?

 kodos wrote:
How does the Kill Team rule works with Vets and Dreads/Bikes?

Is there anything in the codex about this or is it the same fudge as in the 40k rules for the Overkill characters?

Still no sign of preorder on our onenonly flgs' website over here. Cmon lads sort it out. The wife's credit card is begging to be used!!

I'm not sure whether this has been noted before but Eldrad looks to be nothing more than a reskinned version of the existing Farseer. He's a nice model but it would have been nice if we had a brand new sculpt rather than a copy and paste with more details.

Also is there are any news of a fiction book as to whether Eldrad succeeds or not; and why he is on his own without any support from Ulthwe?

@Whirlwind: Err... It looks like Eldrad Ulthran. His model was 25+ years old. If anything, the current Farseer model is a re-skinned version of Eldrad.

Similar basic stance [body shape] but Eldrad is a significant step up with more detailed robes, armour , helm, staff, base and cloak- much more dynamism to him as well. They are similar though
Interested in the possibility of a fiction book as well.

The left arm is pretty much identical down to the rings. Used the basic farseer CAD file as a base and then worked it over.

The sleeve is different, the talismans on the rings are different...

 angelofvengeance wrote:
@Whirlwind: Err... It looks like Eldrad Ulthran. His model was 25+ years old. If anything, the current Farseer model is a re-skinned version of Eldrad.

Yeah not disagreeing, but what I am saying is that I would have liked to have a new sculpt not a rehashed version of an existing CAD design with more trinkets. I already play Ulthwe (have done since started 40k 20+ years ago) and from a tabletop perspective these models will merge. Nothing will make Eldrad stand out from a distance (especially when you have twisted the singing spear around on the plain Farseer). From close up they look different but I still can't shake the notion that they are basically the same model with tweaked details.

Wachaza wrote:
The left arm is pretty much identical down to the rings. Used the basic farseer CAD file as a base and then worked it over.

Maybe, but there's enough differences that maybe not. All the cloaks and everything flow the opposite way to the Farseer and there's much more detail. It might have been more work to tweak the existing one to Eldrad than it would have been to start over. Eldrad's pose is just based on the past Eldrad model.

He's a farseer in robes doing a classic farseer pose. The actual sculpt is clearly really different - look at the robes. Short of doing something weird with the pose like a 2-handed grip on the staff I don't know what you want.

"Basically the same model with a tweaked details" is way off the mark - they're doing similar poses and they've got the same wrist jewellery but literally everything else is different.

What difference does it make if they used an existing file, do you want them to reinvent the wheel every time?

 Bull0 wrote:
He's a farseer in robes doing a classic farseer pose. The actual sculpt is clearly really different - look at the robes. Short of doing something weird with the pose like a 2-handed grip on the staff I don't know what you want.

"Basically the same model with a tweaked details" is way off the mark - they're doing similar poses and they've got the same wrist jewellery but literally everything else is different.

Yeah, exactly.

Just placed an order for two copies from the-outpost.co.uk.

They are the cheapest that I could find at £75 plus free P&P for orders over £80.

I've ordered from them before, been very happy so far with the service.

Not seen them before. My go-to is www.elementgames.co.uk who have it for £76, and they do their reward points scheme (you get a penny off in every pound... yay!) and free shipping over £80. I find if I order GW preorders from them I get my stuff on release day, which GW don't do, so it's sort of a no-brainer.

Rofl

More than 90% of the model are different. You even ignore the fact that he comes with the sword-wielding arm which defined Eldrad's look for two decades.

There is no drama here, CAD did not 'violate' this miniature

 Bull0 wrote:
He's a farseer in robes doing a classic farseer pose. The actual sculpt is clearly really different - look at the robes. Short of doing something weird with the pose like a 2-handed grip on the staff I don't know what you want.

Well I'm not a designer, but maybe leaning on his staff in a manner that belies thousands of years of sacrificing lives whilst casting runes into the air to determine the best course of action?

 Bull0 wrote:
"Basically the same model with a tweaked details" is way off the mark - they're doing similar poses and they've got the same wrist jewellery but literally everything else is different.

I suppose this is really what you can see, from my perspective the details are just sprinklings on the top the base model structure is obviously the same and that means from a distance the overall model looks the same. Same coin different sides

 Bull0 wrote:
What difference does it make if they used an existing file, do you want them to reinvent the wheel every time?

For special characters that would be good, as after all they are meant to be 'special' not copies of previous models with more bling.


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Warhams-77 wrote:


There is no drama here, CAD did not 'violate' this miniature

lol. No one is saying the model is being violated (unless Artemis gets his way). It's about whether the base structure could have been changed to make something more unique that would stand out on the tabletop better. I'd prefer to have a new unique model than one that has taken previous versions copied the base model and refashioned it into plastic.

They used the classic style (John Blanche - 2nd Edition Codex: Eldar artwork) for the plastic Solitaire.

Seems like they used John Blanche's Eldrad illustration from the same book, too



The 360 of the new Eldrad (with sword) looks a lot more similiar to this artwork than to the 2013 plastic farseer.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Just placed an order for two copies from the-outpost.co.uk.

They've some decent bundles as well if you want the codex and peripherals.

On Eldrad, they've used existing minis as the base for other minis for years going back to the Fantasy Tribes fantasy variants through a lot of limited edition miniatures. I just thought it was a good spot of a reused section, not a scathing critique of lazy sculpting. The pose just allows an easier cast and allows painters to work on the robes more easily to give a better gaming piece. World weary and hunched is harder to paint and not a great centre piece.

Most of the UK stockists are mentioning that they've got strictly limited copies of Death Masque (at least in the first instance)

so if you've got to have it on release day get your orders in fast (and hope GW doesn't short anybody)

Just to be sure do those kill team formations really split up all models in individual models generating a MSU players dream ?

Nope the exact opposite oldzoggy. It forces all the models together as one unit.

While the kill team rule is cool, really wish there was a way to split the bikes/jump vanguard from the unit so they'd actually be useful. Hell, I'd of thought the purpose of the bikers in a kill team would be to scout ahead, not hang around with the foot sloggers.