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Warhammer+ is exactly what I expected, a poorly planned cash grab.

fan boys will gush over it but I see nothing here worth the money.

Animations are the only thing of any interest and I won't be paying months just for those.



   
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hobojebus wrote:
Warhammer+ is exactly what I expected, a poorly planned cash grab.

fan boys will gush over it but I see nothing here worth the money.

Animations are the only thing of any interest and I won't be paying months just for those.



Well don't subscribe then. Problem sorted.
   
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Derek H wrote:
hobojebus wrote:
Warhammer+ is exactly what I expected, a poorly planned cash grab.

fan boys will gush over it but I see nothing here worth the money.

Animations are the only thing of any interest and I won't be paying months just for those.



Well don't subscribe then. Problem sorted.


People keep saying this, as if people paying for this, and supporting GW in doing more of this won't impact the hobby as a whole in any way, for everyone+.

Games Workshop are not your friends. They are not a small dev trying their best. They are a multibillion dollar company making calculated decisions about how many costs they can cut, how lazy they can be about relases, and how much they can paywall. They will do it again. Stop giving them money for this. 
   
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What are you afraid of?

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Bear with me, but it's completely possible that the actually effect of this will be somewhere in the middle and not the two extremes most people in this thread are chanting.

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a_typical_hero wrote:
What are you afraid of?


GW making it so Warhammer+ subscribers get early/exclusive access to their regular model relases? Or books. Or rules. Of course, coupled togather with them raising the price ever-so-often, because there hasn't been a single GW product, be it miniatures or codexes that hasn't gotten steadily more expensive overtime. Sometimes 4 times more expensive since it was introduced, in fact.

Games Workshop are not your friends. They are not a small dev trying their best. They are a multibillion dollar company making calculated decisions about how many costs they can cut, how lazy they can be about relases, and how much they can paywall. They will do it again. Stop giving them money for this. 
   
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Commisar Marbh wrote:
People complaining about the price spend probably more than that on soda, coffee or snacks a day, much less a month.

It's about the price of a tactical marine at current prices.

If it's not for you, cool. But some folks are interested.



Yeah, but like, if you cut out food and drink, you kinda die. And Soda is often cheaper than clean water. Snacks cheaper than better quality food. People are fat in america not because they are intemperate, but because the stuff that makes you fat is cheap and the stuff that doesn't is expensive.

 Overread wrote:
The real issue is with things like OCR if you want your scanned book to be more than just an image. OCR can get terribly messed up by anything that isn't very standard modern English.


At which point a lot rests on the shoulders of the person doing the scanning to ensure that its all copied over correctly.

My father has some reprinted books that are published from scans of old publications and they are full of mistakes on the latin names for things because the scanner doesn't have latin and can't auto correct it.

Warhammer would have the same issue as there's a lot of non-standard words and such. So scanning to make an image is easy, but an actual digital book with text you can highlight, search, and otherwise work with takes a bit more work to complete.


Look, man, pirates do this stuff for free with ease, including the ability to highlight.

Sometimes they get fancy and even add bookmarks.

GW has not a single excuse to not make digital versions on their rule books and do it well. Let's not play devil's advocate. People can and have been doing this for years now. The least GW can do is have the same quality as some dude in australia with a scanner and some free time.

 Starfarer wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:


Anyway, that's a lot of money for well-produced Battle Reports (already free on the Internet in many different places) and high-level painting videos (already free on the Internet in many different places).



Most well-produced batreps put lots of content behind paywalls. Strangely no one criticizes them for profiting off work that takes a serious amount of time, and in some cases is the primary job of the content creators.

Not much different for GW. They are paying people to produce content. You're welcome to not pay for it if you don't see value in it. But even your "free" content creators are actively seeking money for their work. Not sure why GW should be expected to provide that for free when others only have these for profit content channels based in work created by GW.

That said, I honestly had little interest in Warhammer+ prior to today. Ultimately the model(s) included after a 12 month sub and the digital archive content is more appealing to me than the shows or the app. I'm sure I'll still enjoy them but if that were the only offerings I'd likely pass. But for $60 for a year, and an amazing Vindicare model? Easy choice for me to pay for a year sub to try it out. I'd easily spend more going out with my wife to a craft brew pub for drinks and a meal on a weekend.


People poop on miniwargaming for their monetization model all the time.


But the reason people don't complain that much is..... most people don't pay for the content.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Starfarer wrote:
Except they are doing things that haven't been done before. They are producing animated shows well beyond the handful of fan productions that amount to about a movie trailer's length of content.
I'm not confident that a few short animations trickled out over Emperor-knows how long is enough to sustain the service. Disney+ got by for a year with almost nothing to show for it based on good will and the promise of lots to come. Warhammer+ ain't Disney+.

 Starfarer wrote:
They are digitizing their printed media.
Their old printed material. That's good from an archival perspective at least, but being able to access old rule books (likely only through the D+ app) is hardly an incentive to pay per month.

 Starfarer wrote:
They are offering in depth lore videos direct from the creators.
Which will offer what, exactly? Are they going to add to, expand or change the lore? Unlikely, so again, other than perhaps higher production values and music that would get a regular YouTuber a copyright strike, what's on offer here?

 Starfarer wrote:
If the value isn't there for you, so be it. But to act like it's objectively poor value because you like fan versions of some content better isn't a great argument imo.
That's a misrepresentation. I'm not disliking it because I like fan versions more. I dislike it because it's GW (once again) attempting to be the hobby, rather than just being part of the hobby.

 Starfarer wrote:
Funny you mention Rooster Teeth. They ran a Kickstarter and took in over $2M from fans to produce a movie, turned around and sold the company to Fullscreen Media before making the movie, and only then ramped up content in a paid monthly service after they sold the company to said digital media company. Then the company was sold again to an AT&T subsidiary a few years later. They also fired most of the staff that was there in the early days aside from the in screen talent and executive level staff. I know because I worked for a RT partner company for years during that time.
Ok then. I didn't actually know about the Kickstarter, TBH. I tend not to interface with the Rooster Teeth fandom (or even the AH fandom) as I find it cloying and incapable of seeing flaws in anything RT/AH does.


RT's a shambling corpse waiting to be wrapped up by it's parent company, having had its staff increasingly hollowed out.

 AduroT wrote:
 Argive wrote:
 Laughing Man wrote:
 Argive wrote:
I wonder if this will mean the AOS app is now also going behind a pay wall

The AoS app is already paid. It's $2 a month.


My bad thought it was free.


It gives you every unit Warscroll in the game for free. It charges you $1 a month for the list builder. You can buy digital rulebooks thru the app at heavy discounts. You need to have purchased a digital book thru the app to be able to read the rules for stuff like faction bonuses and battalions in the list builder.

It sounds like this app will be going away though and they’re replacing it with a new one, which will be a monumental shame as it’s quite better than the 40k app, which STILL has mistakes in list building and missing rules sections from codexes.


If they let you buy books straight through the app, I might even pay for it, instead of this nonsense "Buy the hard copy and scan a code in. It's eeeeeasy" bs they are doing now.



Cronch wrote:
 Daedalus81 wrote:
I know people like to think GW is an evil mega-corp, but it won't happen.

Nintendo DMCAs things at random on YT still, big companies can act completely irrationally.


Japan's more a corporate dystopia than America is (yet), so under japanese law Nintendo can get away with things like silencing reviews because japan lacks fair use rules.

Albeit they'd have a heck of a time pushing that in an american court, but youtube is hard slanted in favor of claiments over creators, so it never has to actually go to court.

a_typical_hero wrote:
What are you afraid of?


That they'll stop selling digital rule... oh wait they are already starting to do this.

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This thread is a wonderful example of people hating just to hate.

Somehow, GW went from "this is (nominally) better than I thought it would be", minus a few hard corps detractors that are going to gak on GW regardless of what they do, to "GW will copyright strike the universe and the mere EXISTENCE of W+ is going to destroy the hobby based on...ya know...feels and stuff".

And, here is the kicker, maybe it does. maybe in the future, GW does copyright strike every battle report creator and painting channel under the sun, and then start offering entire armies that would only be available to W+ subscribers. Maybe they do, maybe someday thats what it comes down to.

But that isn't what's happening today. Today, we have their service announced in more detail with a framework behind what is going to be available with the service. I get it, hell, everyone here gets it, you all want them to die, you want GW drug into the street and shot, whole on execution style for the slights they have placed upon you and the damage that has been done to your life by the evil bastards at GW.

I get it, I'm sure most do.

And there are lots of things to rip on GW for, as this quagmire of a forum is well known to discuss, ad nauseum, but you don't *ACTUALLY* have to make gak up to do it.

Many in this thread have gone so far beyond discussing this service that the blatant fear-mongering, hysteria, and just outright odious nature of the conversation is groxic.

yup, groxic. the perfect mix between grift and toxic.

drink some concrete and harden up kiddos.
   
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Seabass wrote:
This thread is a wonderful example of people hating just to hate.

Somehow, GW went from "this is (nominally) better than I thought it would be", minus a few hard corps detractors that are going to gak on GW regardless of what they do, to "GW will copyright strike the universe and the mere EXISTENCE of W+ is going to destroy the hobby based on...ya know...feels and stuff".

And, here is the kicker, maybe it does. maybe in the future, GW does copyright strike every battle report creator and painting channel under the sun, and then start offering entire armies that would only be available to W+ subscribers. Maybe they do, maybe someday thats what it comes down to.

But that isn't what's happening today. Today, we have their service announced in more detail with a framework behind what is going to be available with the service. I get it, hell, everyone here gets it, you all want them to die, you want GW drug into the street and shot, whole on execution style for the slights they have placed upon you and the damage that has been done to your life by the evil bastards at GW.

I get it, I'm sure most do.

And there are lots of things to rip on GW for, as this quagmire of a forum is well known to discuss, ad nauseum, but you don't *ACTUALLY* have to make gak up to do it.

Many in this thread have gone so far beyond discussing this service that the blatant fear-mongering, hysteria, and just outright odious nature of the conversation is groxic.

yup, groxic. the perfect mix between grift and toxic.

drink some concrete and harden up kiddos.


Perhaps if GW didn't dump a raging trashfire in their last digital subscription offering, people would be more into this one. But they made getting into the hobby harder and more expensive to boost a flaming mess of an app that is still a mess. And looking like they will be setting the AoS app on fire too. All to force people to buy hard copies AND sub to get their rules digitally, which is the most feth stupid thing they could do about this.
   
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£5 seems like an introductionary/loss leader that will eventually get cranked much higher. Obviously they're not alone in this, most streaming services do it, but I'd be surprised if we end up being six months before they talk about raising it to £8, if not higher. £10 im 2022 wouldn't surprise me. By that point people are already used to it, half way into their 'free' model progress, using it as a dedicated army builder, etc.

The whole "but that's as much as you'd spend on X!" argument works in a vacuum, but this isn't the days of Netflix and maybe Warcraft being most people's only real subscription. Just about anybody and everybody has some sort of subscription service and most people are using more than one. A few of my more fanboyish Warhammer friends have already said it's yet another service they'd be paying for on top of all the others and that makes them hesitant. Granted, I'm sure most people would cut something like Hulu or HBO if it meant the Official Games Workshop(tm) Warhammer Plus+(tm) app, but it's still not "just £5" to most people.

I think most battle report channels will be fine as they're ultimately free for one and those with Patreons/MWG's Vault subscriptions are probably people who're quite happy to spread their money around a bit. People who'd pay to watch GW staffers do paint jobs using only Citadel paints and brushes probably weren't followinh Youtube painters in the first place. I imagine Lore Youtubers will be hit quite a bit, but again, their videos are still free and a lot of people who are into 'the lore' side don't even play the game.

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I don't know - as someone who thinks the animations are ok but not wild about and paid subs for streaming.. I was actually really pleasantly surprised by this. The models as part of the subs look excellent [neither are my faction but they look great]. The lore from older books seems like a great deal alongside the WD archive. I haven't bought WD for years and got rid of my physical archive years ago but I bought the latest one purely for a short story - which was excellent in itself. The price really really looks decent, they will probably add content as they go, the addition of the apps, the hobby shows -I think its a good package overall. I get it if you're looking at it purely for the animations it would look iffy but as a whole there looks to be a lot on offer. Still a few months to see how it shapes up and decide on it but I'm seriously considering it.
   
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Really doubt this will prove to be worth the cost, and last more than a few years, but ill probably give it a try

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 Arbitrator wrote:
£5 seems like an introductionary/loss leader that will eventually get cranked much higher. Obviously they're not alone in this, most streaming services do it, but I'd be surprised if we end up being six months before they talk about raising it to £8, if not higher. £10 im 2022 wouldn't surprise me. By that point people are already used to it, half way into their 'free' model progress, using it as a dedicated army builder, etc.

The whole "but that's as much as you'd spend on X!" argument works in a vacuum, but this isn't the days of Netflix and maybe Warcraft being most people's only real subscription. Just about anybody and everybody has some sort of subscription service and most people are using more than one. A few of my more fanboyish Warhammer friends have already said it's yet another service they'd be paying for on top of all the others and that makes them hesitant. Granted, I'm sure most people would cut something like Hulu or HBO if it meant the Official Games Workshop(tm) Warhammer Plus+(tm) app, but it's still not "just £5" to most people.

You don't have to have Prime, Hulu, Netflix, HBO, YT Premium, Disney, Sky and other voluntarily spending. It is just £5.
If your hobby budget doesn't allow it, set priorities. Arguing that it is more than £5 because you spend your money already on all these other spare time entertainment stuff is... weird.

And no, I'm not planing to get the service.

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stratigo wrote:
Seabass wrote:
This thread is a wonderful example of people hating just to hate.

Somehow, GW went from "this is (nominally) better than I thought it would be", minus a few hard corps detractors that are going to gak on GW regardless of what they do, to "GW will copyright strike the universe and the mere EXISTENCE of W+ is going to destroy the hobby based on...ya know...feels and stuff".

And, here is the kicker, maybe it does. maybe in the future, GW does copyright strike every battle report creator and painting channel under the sun, and then start offering entire armies that would only be available to W+ subscribers. Maybe they do, maybe someday thats what it comes down to.

But that isn't what's happening today. Today, we have their service announced in more detail with a framework behind what is going to be available with the service. I get it, hell, everyone here gets it, you all want them to die, you want GW drug into the street and shot, whole on execution style for the slights they have placed upon you and the damage that has been done to your life by the evil bastards at GW.

I get it, I'm sure most do.

And there are lots of things to rip on GW for, as this quagmire of a forum is well known to discuss, ad nauseum, but you don't *ACTUALLY* have to make gak up to do it.

Many in this thread have gone so far beyond discussing this service that the blatant fear-mongering, hysteria, and just outright odious nature of the conversation is groxic.

yup, groxic. the perfect mix between grift and toxic.

drink some concrete and harden up kiddos.


Perhaps if GW didn't dump a raging trashfire in their last digital subscription offering, people would be more into this one. But they made getting into the hobby harder and more expensive to boost a flaming mess of an app that is still a mess. And looking like they will be setting the AoS app on fire too. All to force people to buy hard copies AND sub to get their rules digitally, which is the most feth stupid thing they could do about this.


and what does this have to do with the W+ sub/app? sure, you don't like the change they made because of the cost/availability of rules. that's fine, that's a fair criticism. Hell, I dare say you even HAVE A POINT, but not sure what this has to do with the sub service, other than "its from GW, so therefore, it should die the most horrible and excruciating death possible". Its obvious the streaming service and the WH40k app arent goint to be the same thing. Again, if there is anywhere on the internet where gaking on GW is in vogue, its here, and you dont have to make stuff up to do so (you as in the generic euphamistic you, not you specifically).


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 Arbitrator wrote:
£5 seems like an introductionary/loss leader that will eventually get cranked much higher. Obviously they're not alone in this, most streaming services do it, but I'd be surprised if we end up being six months before they talk about raising it to £8, if not higher. £10 im 2022 wouldn't surprise me. By that point people are already used to it, half way into their 'free' model progress, using it as a dedicated army builder, etc.

The whole "but that's as much as you'd spend on X!" argument works in a vacuum, but this isn't the days of Netflix and maybe Warcraft being most people's only real subscription. Just about anybody and everybody has some sort of subscription service and most people are using more than one. A few of my more fanboyish Warhammer friends have already said it's yet another service they'd be paying for on top of all the others and that makes them hesitant. Granted, I'm sure most people would cut something like Hulu or HBO if it meant the Official Games Workshop(tm) Warhammer Plus+(tm) app, but it's still not "just £5" to most people.

I think most battle report channels will be fine as they're ultimately free for one and those with Patreons/MWG's Vault subscriptions are probably people who're quite happy to spread their money around a bit. People who'd pay to watch GW staffers do paint jobs using only Citadel paints and brushes probably weren't followinh Youtube painters in the first place. I imagine Lore Youtubers will be hit quite a bit, but again, their videos are still free and a lot of people who are into 'the lore' side don't even play the game.

Seabass wrote:

yup, groxic. the perfect mix between grift and toxic.

drink some concrete and harden up kiddos.

You need to lookup the definition of grift, booklicker. Grifters are the ones calling literally everything about GW GGLOORRIIOOUUSS because they might get some freebies.


I mean, if we want to go the Merriam-webster route, neither of us are using the term in its strictest sense, as neither of us is jockeying or making illicit attempts to gather resources. However, I think grift, in the common parlance of simply complaining about something for the sake of complaining about that something because it's in vogue to complain about that something, would be relatively accurate here. That said, you do have a point, and allow me to redact and change my previous statement.

yup, Gritch. The perfect mix between a gripe and a bitch.

Better now?

Additionally, I would add that it is hard to be a bootlicker to a company that literally has 0 authority.
none.
GW has no authority over my life. and here is the scary part. they don't have any on yours either. Your "rebel against the evil empire attitude" that seems to be on full display here (again, parsed from the specific use and direction to the term "bootlicker" is rebelling against a toy manufacturer who literally has 0 authority.

You really cant bootlick to someone or something who has no influence on your life in any meaningful way. White Knight, agree, appreciate, zealously defend, ridiculous, blind, willfully ignorant, these are or may even be far more adequate descriptors, but bootlick, quite frankly, there is no one i would even know whos boot to lick.

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If GW plans to launch this by end of August, they should have all the technical details worked out already and months of content produced in advance. I am not getting the feeling that they have either.

I want GW to succeed with Warhammer+ but I am not very convinced yet. They are guaranteed to sell a ton of subscriptions based on what we have been promised already but I hope that they can actually provide it. It has not always been the case.

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Perhaps if GW didn't dump a raging trashfire in their last digital subscription offering, people would be more into this one. But they made getting into the hobby harder and more expensive to boost a flaming mess of an app that is still a mess. And looking like they will be setting the AoS app on fire too. All to force people to buy hard copies AND sub to get their rules digitally, which is the most feth stupid thing they could do about this.


I didn't realize that it was so incredibly difficult to jump into this hobby. I can head to my local game store right now and pick up a battletome and a rulebook..... and I'm playing the game. GW isn't forcing me to do anything, much less subscribe to anything for digital rules when I already have a hard copy.
   
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 Mr. Grey wrote:
I can head to my local game store right now and pick up a battletome and a rulebook

you know in some part of the world this is still not possible and shipping takes time

hence why it is very difficult to understand why GW removes the possibillity to buy digitial content now

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 kodos wrote:
 Mr. Grey wrote:
I can head to my local game store right now and pick up a battletome and a rulebook

you know in some part of the world this is still not possible and shipping takes time

hence why it is very difficult to understand why GW removes the possibillity to buy digitial content now


Americans and Brits tend to think everyone lives in a city and have easy access to things like hobby groups and specialist shops or overnight shipping and cheap public transport. Thats why you see so many of them suggesting "just find another group/game bro" as a solution to gripes with GW or its playerbase.

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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:


People keep saying this, as if people paying for this, and supporting GW in doing more of this won't impact the hobby as a whole in any way, for everyone+.


Then play something else. There are hundreds of alternatives out there.


Or keep on getting screwed whilst moaning about it. It's your choice.

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Derek H wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:


People keep saying this, as if people paying for this, and supporting GW in doing more of this won't impact the hobby as a whole in any way, for everyone+.


Then play something else. There are hundreds of alternatives out there.


Or keep on getting screwed whilst moaning about it. It's your choice.


And what if they're all full of mindless consoomers? And besides, all of them togather aren't a fraction of Warhammer's popularity.

Games Workshop are not your friends. They are not a small dev trying their best. They are a multibillion dollar company making calculated decisions about how many costs they can cut, how lazy they can be about relases, and how much they can paywall. They will do it again. Stop giving them money for this. 
   
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If everybody else but you is able to enjoy their hobby, maybe it is not a "them" problem...?

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You will all see when GW locks all new relases behind their 30 USD/month Warhammer+++ Premium subscription.

Games Workshop are not your friends. They are not a small dev trying their best. They are a multibillion dollar company making calculated decisions about how many costs they can cut, how lazy they can be about relases, and how much they can paywall. They will do it again. Stop giving them money for this. 
   
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"And what if they're all full of mindless consoomers? And besides, all of them togather aren't a fraction of Warhammer's popularity."


So, your problem is with the community or the people who comprise the collective "community" and not the game? I mean, you are asking what if all of the other games have people who are similar to those in the GW community? Well, so what the feth is it? Are you upset at GW for (insert reason here) or are you upset at gamers as a whole?

If you are worried about all games being filled with "mindless consoomers" then you should probably just not play tabletop games as a whole, because it seems like the game isn't your problem.


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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
You will all see when GW locks all new relases behind their 30 USD/month Warhammer+++ Premium subscription.


I don't know you, but I'm going to say this because it probably should be said. Your mania on this is bordering on maladaptive.

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Sorry i give a damn about the game, lol.

Games Workshop are not your friends. They are not a small dev trying their best. They are a multibillion dollar company making calculated decisions about how many costs they can cut, how lazy they can be about relases, and how much they can paywall. They will do it again. Stop giving them money for this. 
   
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 Starfarer wrote:
You're putting out a lot of hypotheticals that assume the worst possible response from GW, i.e. copyright strikes when there's no indication that will occur. Also just because you aren't yet aware of if the lore videos will be good doesn't mean they will be bad.
I don't expect GW to do the copyright strike thing. In fact, looking over everything I've said in the thread, I've never even brought up the idea of GW launching copyright strikes*. Other people put forward that idea. If I've missed where I said otherwise, I apologise.

And the lore videos could be very good, but again, this isn't something that's unique to them. It's not something that only they can do, as lots of other groups do that. Why would I pay for this?

*I did mention copyright strikes in the context of copywritten music, nothing else.

 Starfarer wrote:
Anyway, we were talking about GW putting out content that hadn't been provided before, which they are. Again I said if the value isn't there for you so be it.
Which, as far as I can tell, is pretty much just the animations. And the minis I guess, but that's not so much Warhammer+ content as it is "stay for a year and we'll give you this unreleased sculpt we had laying about".

 Starfarer wrote:
GW isn't trying to be the hobby.
That's funny. GW have been trying to pretend to be the HHHobby for as long as I can remember.

 Starfarer wrote:
There no indication that they plan to take over all 40k related content online.
They did poach hire a whole bunch of animators and suddenly all those animators had their (free) stuff vanish off YouTube.

 Starfarer wrote:
There's no basis for that assumption other than FUD and grasping at straws to paint GW in a bad light because they are offering something new you don't want to pay for.
GW doesn't have to have something I don't want to pay for to end up in a bad light. They are perfectly capable of doing that independent of lil' ol' me.

 Starfarer wrote:
That said, I wasted enough time debating this when it's clear this is turning into yet another "bash GW for hypothetical wrongs" thread. I really don't care who likes the service or not. I frankly wouldn't buy it were it not for the Assassin model. That's enough to justify a year purchase and then I'll evaluate the first years content to see if I continue to subscribe going forward.
You call it hypothetical. I call it pattern recognition.

I mean, remember when GW put out a 40K army list program and it was terrible?

That's actually a trick question by the way, because it's happened more than once. When they put out their latest one a few of us laughed and saw what was coming. And what came? A terrible army list program that everyone gak on right from beginning.

I can't imagine that you haven't been around long enough to notice that GW does this all the time. They may be the biggest game in town, but they like to pretend that they're the only game in town.

 Starfarer wrote:
One thing that's kinda of hilarious to me, though, is there's likely going to be a lot of people paying $60+ for those exclusive models on ebay rather than just paying for the damn sub. Lot of subscribers are going to be able to fund their annual subscriptions just buy selling off the exclusive models they don't want, or just buy extras to sell for profit.
Well, as the saying starts: A fool and his money...

Apopos: Warhammer+.

P.S. I had to look up what 'FUD' meant. I've learnt something today. Thanks.



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a_typical_hero wrote:
If everybody else but you is able to enjoy their hobby, maybe it is not a "them" problem...?

"The most popular thing is the best thing, if you don't like it then you are the abnormal one."

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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Sorry i give a damn about the game, lol.



Your statement wasn't about the game. it was about the people that play them. If the social aspect is something you dislike in a game based around social interaction between players, then it's probably not the game that is the problem.

   
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Seabass wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Sorry i give a damn about the game, lol.



Your statement wasn't about the game. it was about the people that play them. If the social aspect is something you dislike in a game based around social interaction between players, then it's probably not the game that is the problem.



And the people support GW's bad practices and in turn, cause the game to become noticeably worse?

Games Workshop are not your friends. They are not a small dev trying their best. They are a multibillion dollar company making calculated decisions about how many costs they can cut, how lazy they can be about relases, and how much they can paywall. They will do it again. Stop giving them money for this. 
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

P.S. I had to look up what 'FUD' meant. I've learnt something today. Thanks.


Its unfortunately a slang term for lady parts in some places in Scotland so I can't take his post seriously.


 
   
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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Seabass wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Sorry i give a damn about the game, lol.



Your statement wasn't about the game. it was about the people that play them. If the social aspect is something you dislike in a game based around social interaction between players, then it's probably not the game that is the problem.



And the people support GW's bad practices and in turn, cause the game to become noticeably worse?



Or you are just assuming that your value structure clearly applies to everyone else and that no one else could have an equally valid viewpoint or want the new products. That's not a problem with the game, company, or community. It's a problem with the specific user (in this case, you).
   
 
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