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Danny76 wrote:
I assume if you buy the yearly subscription which is a better price, you’ll get the model straight away. As you are fully paid for the 12 months.
It’d be weird to make you wait when you’re not paying anything for the next 12 anyway.

Might do; though they still have to produce the model itself and a lot of tehir collector models have taken a few months from ordering to get made and shipped out. That might just be Corona messing with production so it might be something that improves once GW doesn't have to work with Covid Safe Practice methods.

The other issue is refunds; if you cancel after getting your model but you've not paid a year I wonder what their policy will be then. It could create a lot of back-end issues resolving in terms of customer complaints and such. So it might be easier for GW to only give them out after you've paid and after the full year.


That said it would be a neat way to encourage people to sign up for the full year

TBH I would be more positive about this if it was genuine full, new content, instead of stuff that was availible in other channels (free good tutorials on warhammertv on youtube, fan animations on youtube, digital versions of your books, etc...) but was removed to put it behind a paywall.

But being honest , I wont miss any of that so more power for people.

I am extremely surprised with GW right now. In a pleasing way.

Dominion release was smooth as silk and Warhammer+ is not the trainwreck I admittedly wanted it to be.

I at least am very hyped for proper Masterclass videos (who knows, maybe they will bring 'Eavy Metal and Golden Demon personalities at some point).

Still, I will wait a little longer before adding an annual sub to the card. And I do wonder what those "exclusive subscriber offers" really are. I'm not expecting anything juicy, but I wouldn't be upset to get one.

Still, no Duncan to be seen anywhere, but wasn't that girl on one of the Warhammer Quest videos a while ago, with Becca, Peachy and Chris?

 CMLR wrote:
I am extremely surprised with GW right now. In a pleasing way.

Dominion release was smooth as silk and Warhammer+ is not the trainwreck I admittedly wanted to be.

I at least am very hyped for proper Masterclass videos (who knows, maybe they will bring 'Eavy Metal and Golden Demon personalities at some point).

Still, I will wait a little longer before adding an annual sub to the card. And I do wonder what those "exclusive subscriber offers" really are. I'm not expecting anything juicy, but I wouldn't be upset to get one.

Still, no Duncan to be seen anywhere, but wasn't that girl on one of the Warhammer Quest videos a while ago, with Becca, Peachy and Chris?

You just earned my respect (not that my respect is some great prize to win). I'm glad you were surprised, but most importantly, i respectfully appreciate the fact that you were honest with your desires and intentions regarding this launch. That speaks volumes of character, even on an anonymous forum.

You know, I think their price is straight out the Disney playbook.

Hands up honesty, I loved Disney+ from the outset, because I got a years worth for £50, which was a cheaper deal than anyone else in that industry was offering. And since then, to Disney’s credit, they’ve added more and more, the Star (at least outside the USA so far I’m aware, I can’t help but be Eurocentric) without jacking up the price.

£5 a month? £5. What else can I get for that? Well my local pub is on the cheaper end of the local market, and my pint is £4.20. Takeaway pizza? £15 minimum in my neck of then woods.

So, £5 month (less than that when I go for the annual, because ostensible bargain, at £50)?

Yeah. For me, and me alone, it’s barely going to dent my pocket.

 Overread wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
I assume if you buy the yearly subscription which is a better price, you’ll get the model straight away. As you are fully paid for the 12 months.
It’d be weird to make you wait when you’re not paying anything for the next 12 anyway.

The other issue is refunds; if you cancel after getting your model but you've not paid a year I wonder what their policy will be then.

Well it’s covered by that, that’s why I suggested that as an option.
If you pay a year you have paid the full. And if not then we already know they give it at the end of a year.

But yeah as you say a good way to get people to sub maybe.

White dwarf subs when they had the actually free model was the same, you paid for a year and got the model at the start.
(Or the Warhammer fortress for a two year sub back in the day)

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
By my limited and indeed massively Luddite understanding, digitising such volumes isn’t much more than paying someone to scan in the old volumes, perhaps a digital spit and polish, then save it to the right format.

It’s almost certainly more complicated than that. But I’m wondering how much more complicated?

Perhaps a Dakkanaut with actual, genuine, relevant experience of creating an exportable digital archive could chime in?

it's a little more complicated. awhile back Battletech (I think under fanpro at the time) digitized the original house books and put them out for free. it was more complicated then just copying something, but in this case they had to remove all the old unseen mech images, something that GW won't have to worry about,

I like the vindicare but I also feel like I could convert something like that myself using the current model. I'm not sure. I don't care for the content either so would be purely for the model. Got a month or two to think on it anyways.

The real issue is with things like OCR if you want your scanned book to be more than just an image. OCR can get terribly messed up by anything that isn't very standard modern English.


At which point a lot rests on the shoulders of the person doing the scanning to ensure that its all copied over correctly.

My father has some reprinted books that are published from scans of old publications and they are full of mistakes on the latin names for things because the scanner doesn't have latin and can't auto correct it.

Warhammer would have the same issue as there's a lot of non-standard words and such. So scanning to make an image is easy, but an actual digital book with text you can highlight, search, and otherwise work with takes a bit more work to complete.

 CMLR wrote:
Still, no Duncan to be seen anywhere, but wasn't that girl on one of the Warhammer Quest videos a while ago, with Becca, Peachy and Chris?

Duncan left GW and started his own painting academy. If you're interested here's the link:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuRNH2cb6VwsZbzILptDVIA
https://www.duncanrhodes.com/

It's nice seeing him have fun painting some other models like Fallout, Star Wars and A Song of Ice and Fire in addition to GW minis.

Danny76 wrote:
I assume if you buy the yearly subscription which is a better price, you’ll get the model straight away. As you are fully paid for the 12 months.
It’d be weird to make you wait when you’re not paying anything for the next 12 anyway.

I'm not sure. The Community page does state mote T&C will be revealed soon.

If someone is already an App subscriber:

Already a Warhammer 40,000 app subscriber? As a way of saying thanks, if you upgrade your subscription into a Warhammer+ sub in the first month after its launch, you’ll get your exclusive free model after nine months, rather than 12. That’s three months earlier than everyone else!

Even better, as an existing Warhammer 40,000 app subscriber, if you take out a full year’s subscription, you’ll receive an additional free gift too.


Best offer so far is 3 months early for the model!

 The Red Hobbit wrote:

 CMLR wrote:
Still, no Duncan to be seen anywhere, but wasn't that girl on one of the Warhammer Quest videos a while ago, with Becca, Peachy and Chris?

Duncan left GW and started his own painting academy. If you're interested here's the link:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuRNH2cb6VwsZbzILptDVIA
https://www.duncanrhodes.com/

It's nice seeing him have fun painting some other models like Fallout, Star Wars and A Song of Ice and Fire in addition to GW minis.

Thanks. But I'm fully aware of it since he left years ago. Still, it would've been funny to see him return for the Masterclass. Maybe he would grace us as a special guess for an episode?

So is this Warhammer+...

Not sure what to make of it... I havent watched their stream so just going based on what's on the website.

Is it me or its basically the App being up priced but now with marketing mumbo jumbo you're expected to pay for.

The WD back catalogue is interesting.
But if they going to add issues at they are released and g OOP whose going to bother buying the physical copies...

I wonder if this will mean the AOS app is now also going behind a pay wall

Will they be pulling things off YouTube

Getting a free mini is interesting.
Not sure Ho I feel about the tiny base and spindly scaffolding for the assassin. Going to need some conversion work.

5.99 / £72PA.. Lets say (-£24 for the figure)

It really just seems like they wwantm e to pay them for and app that kind of sucks, and the privilege for them to push marketing on me..

 CMLR wrote:
I am extremely surprised with GW right now. In a pleasing way.

Dominion release was smooth as silk and Warhammer+ is not the trainwreck I admittedly wanted it to be.

I at least am very hyped for proper Masterclass videos (who knows, maybe they will bring 'Eavy Metal and Golden Demon personalities at some point).

Still, I will wait a little longer before adding an annual sub to the card. And I do wonder what those "exclusive subscriber offers" really are. I'm not expecting anything juicy, but I wouldn't be upset to get one.

Still, no Duncan to be seen anywhere, but wasn't that girl on one of the Warhammer Quest videos a while ago, with Becca, Peachy and Chris?

She is Louise Sugden, who is a phenomenal hobbiest.

https://instagram.com/savage_ork_guy?utm_medium=copy_link

 Argive wrote:
I wonder if this will mean the AOS app is now also going behind a pay wall

The AoS app is already paid. It's $2 a month.

 Laughing Man wrote:

 Argive wrote:
I wonder if this will mean the AOS app is now also going behind a pay wall

The AoS app is already paid. It's $2 a month.

My bad thought it was free.

Best offer so far is 3 months early for the model!

I do like how so far the best part of their Multimedia Project is the limited edition model apparently.
I don't think it's quite the reaction they were hoping for when they paid for the shows lol.

 Argive wrote:

 Laughing Man wrote:

 Argive wrote:
I wonder if this will mean the AOS app is now also going behind a pay wall

The AoS app is already paid. It's $2 a month.

My bad thought it was free.

Parts of it are, just like the 40K app. If you want to build armies in it though, you have to pay the subscription.

Togusa wrote:

Tiberias wrote:
Seriously, feth GW with their exclusive model bullcrap.

Thank you!

Seeing the new IronJawz model, a model for one of the most in dire need of new models ranges just made me livid.

Thankfully, I've moved on from 40K to things like Legion and Armada which are far better games. AoS is still fun for me, and I enjoy playing it...but god damn seeing that model pissed me the hell off.

Say what now? That entire range is like 6 years old. How are Ironjaws in "dire need" of new models?

Cronch wrote:

Best offer so far is 3 months early for the model!

I do like how so far the best part of their Multimedia Project is the limited edition model apparently.
I don't think it's quite the reaction they were hoping for when they paid for the shows lol.

we don't have eneugh info about the shows to be excited for them, it's not like say disney plus where we KNOW the marvel shows are gonna be great.

Maybe they will just.. focus on doing awesome models because they are primarily a model company.
Who knows. I wish them well but for me, theres literly nothing of value in there apart form the model.

It really seems like a WH40k ecosystem tax.
Im like bruh.. You already charge £32 for 5 banshees... Seems plenty tax. : D

Sure, but you'd think people would be at least buzzed about the chance of them being good. Instead it's pretty much all "oooh model included in price and old white dwarfs" being the selling point.
I'm fine with people deciding it's good value, but i still think it's funny that Warhammer Netflix's biggest draw has nothing to do with media.

Cronch wrote:
Sure, but you'd think people would be at least buzzed about the chance of them being good. Instead it's pretty much all "oooh model included in price and old white dwarfs" being the selling point.
I'm fine with people deciding it's good value, but i still think it's funny that Warhammer Netflix's biggest draw has nothing to do with media.

I don't know how true that is, to be honest. Anecdotally, looking at Valraks feed, the discussion on Auspex Tactics YT channel, and my own group locally, it seems like most people were excited about the animations, but because we know that as a known quantity, the add-ins, the new news as it were, is generating the buzz, but I don't think its the draw to it.

No data to support that, other than my own impressions, but it feels a bit different. Just an opinion.

Hmm...

A whole year before you get the mini hey? And you don't even get both. The second one you have to buy on top of the subscription. Yeah that tracks.

Anyway, as I've said on dozens of occasions: Games Workshop never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

Why, oh why, oh why, are the exclusive miniatures not tied to their new animations?

Why aren't the first minis a suite of characters from the Blood Angel thing, or an assortment of Hammer & Bolter characters? Or something like that? Why have they, like with every alternate-media venture GW has ever been part of, not done something to capitalise on that? Why a massively impractical Vindicare miniature and another big Orc? Both are very nice looking miniatures, but what have they got to do with the rest of their content?

Anyway, that's a lot of money for well-produced Battle Reports (already free on the Internet in many different places) and high-level painting videos (already free on the Internet in many different places).

If the app came with the rules, and wasn't something you had to put further funds into because GW stopped doing digital Codices then maybe - maybe - I could see the value there, but right now paying money for a trickle animation release, things I can get elsewhere, and a year wait for the opportunity to buy another model seems like nothing worth paying for.

 Mr. Grey wrote:

Togusa wrote:

Tiberias wrote:
Seriously, feth GW with their exclusive model bullcrap.

Thank you!

Seeing the new IronJawz model, a model for one of the most in dire need of new models ranges just made me livid.

Thankfully, I've moved on from 40K to things like Legion and Armada which are far better games. AoS is still fun for me, and I enjoy playing it...but god damn seeing that model pissed me the hell off.

Say what now? That entire range is like 6 years old. How are Ironjaws in "dire need" of new models?

Their so-called entire range is 7 kits, 3 of which are a single monopose dude. The Maw-Krusha, the Warchanter, the Megaboss, the Brutes, the 'Ardboys, the Gore-Gruntas, and the Weirdnob.

The lack of buzz on the animations is because we don't know what they'll be like and we burned out of the "OMG VIDEOS" buzz about a year back.

Right now we have basically waited a long time and gone through all the "OMG it could be awesome" or "OMG its going to be the worst thing ever" extremes. Chatter is burned out on them so we are waiting for the actual things to release.




So yeah the models ARE distracting right now because we already know how good GW are with making models. We know what they'll be like; how they'll likely go together; how big they'll be etc... Plus we are model fans FIRST and film fans second as a general community.

So yeah we are most excited about the known quantity element that we are most engaged with.

The rest is partly known production standards or totally unknown.




We are now very much in wait and see mode. Iexpect TV show excitement will start to pick up in the run up weeks toward launch; when we've weeks, days, hours until they land. THEN we'll see that bubble go nova (either super positive or negative after watching the first show)

I think the assassin is featured in one of the animations no ?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Why, oh why, oh why, are the exclusive miniatures not tied to their new animations?

I remember seeing one Ass²in in one of the animation previews. So one is going to be on the new animations, for a fact.

Megaboss? Yeah, nothing here to be seen yet, but we've got to remember that AoS 3.0 will have a Destruction focus.

What's lame is that they will be the models for the entire year and not for a semester or so. I highly doubt any of both will be relevant for an entire year.

Perfectly willing to accept that the minis are related to some of their animations, but Angels of Death or whatever the Blood Angel animation is called is their headliner. Forget the "Not more Marines!" rhetoric: Characters from that show should have been their first release.

A box that comes with the Termy Captain, the Chaplain, the two other guys, and especially the fleet commander lady, and you'd have my subscription.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


Anyway, that's a lot of money for well-produced Battle Reports (already free on the Internet in many different places) and high-level painting videos (already free on the Internet in many different places).

Most well-produced batreps put lots of content behind paywalls. Strangely no one criticizes them for profiting off work that takes a serious amount of time, and in some cases is the primary job of the content creators.

Not much different for GW. They are paying people to produce content. You're welcome to not pay for it if you don't see value in it. But even your "free" content creators are actively seeking money for their work. Not sure why GW should be expected to provide that for free when others only have these for profit content channels based in work created by GW.

That said, I honestly had little interest in Warhammer+ prior to today. Ultimately the model(s) included after a 12 month sub and the digital archive content is more appealing to me than the shows or the app. I'm sure I'll still enjoy them but if that were the only offerings I'd likely pass. But for $60 for a year, and an amazing Vindicare model? Easy choice for me to pay for a year sub to try it out. I'd easily spend more going out with my wife to a craft brew pub for drinks and a meal on a weekend.