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Are warbuggies/wartrakks, why is this? Are they just generally useless or just do people not like them? I've only been a green skin for a few months, and these are always lacking in every list I see.

Well vehicles as a whole are kind of shoddy in 6th and ork vehicles where already shoddy to begin with. 6th really favors MCs, flyers, and hordes

I am buying 3 warbuggies this weekend and am going to play them the following weekend. I will let you know how it goes.

Not sure if they count but I love my skorcha buggies

randomtoaster wrote:
Are warbuggies/wartrakks, why is this? Are they just generally useless or just do people not like them? I've only been a green skin for a few months, and these are always lacking in every list I see.

They were actually pretty popular in the 5th edition, but AV10 vehicles of all kind went recently out of fashion.

yeah, well im going to be running them in a squadron and am thinking about putting them in reserves. This may prevent them from giving up first blood.

I can see this unit as a very fragile squad. 2HP each and only av10. I am really going to have to be careful with where I put them. I just wish there was a way to outflank with these guys. Because having 3 TL rokkit launchas would be pretty fun pulling on some rear armor.

I use skorcha buggies in small games, and given the new 2k meta I've stumbled into might make a return at these big point values.

Gun or Rokkit Buggies are pretty much just much crappier deff koptas though

 Dakkamite wrote:
I use skorcha buggies in small games, and given the new 2k meta I've stumbled into might make a return at these big point values.

Gun or Rokkit Buggies are pretty much just much crappier deff koptas though

I'm also getting a couple deffkoptas. So maybe I can try them both out.

Backfire wrote:

randomtoaster wrote:
Are warbuggies/wartrakks, why is this? Are they just generally useless or just do people not like them? I've only been a green skin for a few months, and these are always lacking in every list I see.

They were actually pretty popular in the 5th edition, but AV10 vehicles of all kind went recently out of fashion.

I've some War Walkers over here that would like to have a word with you.

Buggies et Trakks got hurt by the new "hit vehicles on 3+ in CC" rule, and the 2 hull points.

Before 6th edition, you could get close to the ennemy with no fear of being destroyed in close combat a second later.

A lot of people fell in love with koptas when 5th Ed arrived, if only because of the cool models, and the increasing ancientness (mid nineties) of the buggy/trakk models. Koptas and buggies/trakks are quite similar in a game (cheap fragile shootyness), each with some advantages over the other, in particular depending on what sort of terrain you have on the table (e.g. is it easier to fly over or hide behind).

Whether the rumoured forthcoming new ork codex will change the balance or even get rid of buggies (especially if GW take the lazy approach and just release a kit of rejigged 5th Ed kopta sprues) - well, who knows. Personally I wouldn't be spending up big on either koptas or buggies/trakks until the new codex arrives...

While they have become very fragile (in 5th their survival came from 4+ KFF cover stacked on top of the 4++ save the vehicle damage table provided), the real problem is that three rokkits don't do much anymore. As compared to before, the chance of each rokkit destroying a vehicle has halfed, so even three rokkits fired into the rear of a vehicle aren't guaranteed to take it out.

The skorchas are decent models, but they just do what every single other unit in the ork codex do: Kill light infantry. Combined with the aged and expensive model, the biggest reason they are this rare is probably just that they aren't doing anything special.


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 Clang wrote:
A lot of people fell in love with koptas when 5th Ed arrived, if only because of the cool models, and the increasing ancientness (mid nineties) of the buggy/trakk models. Koptas and buggies/trakks are quite similar in a game (cheap fragile shootyness), each with some advantages over the other, in particular depending on what sort of terrain you have on the table (e.g. is it easier to fly over or hide behind).

In 5th I would have agreed, but in 6th the package of jink, true T4 and 4+ armor makes koptaz a lot more survivable than buggies, with virtually no disadvantages besides increased costs.

People, if they use them at all, use them as alternative deffkoptas since theyre 10pts cheaper, fearless, and are much much more resistant to small arms than deffkoptas since AV10 is basically T7 in terms of how hard it is to hurt.

The problem is, when they ARE hurt they usually just evaporate and they lack the scout move that makes deffkoptas even able to turn 1 pop a vehicle. Deffkoptas atleast have a chance to ignore a wound regardless of how big it is (unless it ignores cover too).

Its yet another ork unit i would prefer to use, but i just dont see a way to use it except alternate and as less effective as it is cheaper deffkoptas. Warbuggies are another model that just screams KITBASH ME!!!! so naturally i want some lol

I thought Kommandos could outflank? Can they take buggies?

Um, kommandos and buggies are separate units. Buggies arent an upgrade for any unit.

Mostly due to ork BS being bad.

Shorcha buggies on the other hand, are the gak.

Sorry not buggies, truckks.

Maybe Buggies will morph into Ork Chariots? Maybe they'll make the riders relentless? Can't really see a use for them. They just don't accomplish much other than block opp. units.

No, half the units in the codex suffer from an unexplainable inability to take a trukk

Burna Boyz for instance severely need one

I have used the buggies on several times and they have always been lack-luster

With being AV10 and only 2 hull points a squad of 3 get put down pretty easy...that is 6 glaces in total. Even from Bolter fire your pretty much guaranteed 1 dead.

Lets not forget Deffkoptas can get linebreaker and buggies cannot

Icculus wrote:I am buying 3 warbuggies this weekend and am going to play them the following weekend. I will let you know how it goes.

Yeah let us know, i'd like to see how they get on!

DakkaHammer wrote:Not sure if they count but I love my skorcha buggies

I've always wanted to field skorcha buggies, I quite like the model

Go against someone who brings big blobs or 4+ armor, scorcha buggies can be a pain in the ass since they move 12 and can still fire a S5 AP4 teardrop

I feel all of Ork vehicles have been seriously hit by the hull point rules. With low armour values taking a big hit from the glancing rules all our vehicles barring BWs (and even they glance to death in cc) are much more fragile. Now I know this can be said of all vehicles in 6th edition but I feel orks have been hit hardest with our abundance of av10. As others have said there is no incentive to take buggies over deffkoptas as they are t5, can take a PK, get a jink save and can bypass mst terrain, the outflank reserve and scout move just make them a no brainer when viewed next to buggies.


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 Vineheart01 wrote:
Go against someone who brings big blobs or 4+ armor, scorcha buggies can be a pain in the ass since they move 12 and can still fire a S5 AP4 teardrop

Anyone who fields this will probably clear your buggies ASAP without sacrificing too much of their shooting phase so you don't even get the benefit of a cheap threat magnet. I want to see buggies re done like attack bikes so they are a t5 quad bike that can take 2 tl Dakka guns and get exhaust cloud and turbo boost. This would make them a more competitive choice vs deffkoptas.

Either way theyre using a lot of infantry fire or bigger guns to deal with ~80pts of AV10 that might scorch them. I'd treat it along the same lines as the Kannon batteries - ok, you took out my kannon battery. Guess what...that was 60pts you just made run away by firing a 210pt gun at it instead of my bikernobz and/or manz missiles. Thanks!

Here's my question, as I am considering this as an option.

for 105 points I can get 3 buggies with TL rokkit launchas. Sure bs is only 5 but im rerolling misses. S8 weapon.

Would this be worth it just to bust open a tank or transport? Because for that same price i could get 7 lootas

No, not even close. Half the range, and even getting one shot per Loota is gonna get pretty similar # of hits let alone 2 or 3 shots. That extra point of S means very little most of the time.

Hmm, I am going to field them soon, and I know they are not a good choice.

I just want them out there. I may just kit them out with the big shootas for longer range, more shootiness and less points.

I will just hold out for the new ork codex and the upgraded buggies

randomtoaster wrote:
Are warbuggies/wartrakks, why is this? Are they just generally useless or just do people not like them? I've only been a green skin for a few months, and these are always lacking in every list I see.

I haven't bothered with them since I'd rather field Deffkoptas and Dakkajets as my Fast Attack Choices. More versatile IMO.

randomtoaster wrote:
I've always wanted to field skorcha buggies, I quite like the model

I couldn't find any of the models in my local places. So I made my squadron out of a SM landspeeder and a couple necron destroyers combined with the battlewagon gunners. It's nice having at least one conversion of a model that belongs to whatever army you're fighting