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2021/03/05 08:44:01
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
ZergSmasher wrote: Hey guys, silly noob question here. I've lately been considering starting a Custodes army as I could start one cheaper than a lot of other armies, outside of Forge World stuff. The question is, is it possible to make a competitive Custodes list (or at least semi-competitive) without taking any of the super expensive (in terms of $$$) Forge World units? Playing around in Battlescribe, I reasoned that I could make an army by combining the one Custodes set I own (from the Burning of Prospero box) with 2 more boxes of Guardians, 2 boxes of Allarus Custodians, and 3 boxes of Jetbikes, and that it wouldn't break the bank for me to do so. I'd probably also pick up Trajann Valoris just so I have a few options. Plus the Codex and whatever PA book has the subfaction rules in it. Would that be any good, or am I likely to just be a punching bag if I were not to pick up any Forge World stuff?
Right now the best Custodes list in the game is almost entirely GW stock Sword and Shield flat out all accross the board, just camping objectives, and not killing anything. It's so broken with the new 9th system, that some have called for nerfs. I have had a lot of fun with an all Bike List. It doesn't hold objectives as well, but you actually get to roll dice in the shooting phase, which is more fun for me.
2021/03/05 12:39:38
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
They had Silent king, 2 squads sword and board lych guard at 5 strong, a big squad of lychguard with spears, 2 full squads of canoptek spiders, a squad of 6 tomb blades, a Triarch stalker, a technomancer, and a small squad of the fast moving lychguard (forgot the name).
I went first and he failed a big charge when he ported into my backfield so that went all in my favor. At the end of the game I had only lost 1 galatus, my vertus praetors, and my bike captain to his army being tabled.
The -1 damage on almost the whole army was pretty harsh for him (ashamed not everyone gets it). He told me he was kinda expecting terminators, and yes his army would have probably mulched them.
You are my hero for bringing 3 achillus and 3 galatus...fkin awesome. Which one did you like more? How did you like your shooty telemon? Would you have used a fist on them in hindsight or was the double arachnus just fine?
2021/03/05 13:26:16
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
They had Silent king, 2 squads sword and board lych guard at 5 strong, a big squad of lychguard with spears, 2 full squads of canoptek spiders, a squad of 6 tomb blades, a Triarch stalker, a technomancer, and a small squad of the fast moving lychguard (forgot the name).
I went first and he failed a big charge when he ported into my backfield so that went all in my favor. At the end of the game I had only lost 1 galatus, my vertus praetors, and my bike captain to his army being tabled.
The -1 damage on almost the whole army was pretty harsh for him (ashamed not everyone gets it). He told me he was kinda expecting terminators, and yes his army would have probably mulched them.
I'm laughing because I, independently from you, made the same list. Must have something to it! My version didn't bring the squad of 3 Jetbikes though. I brought a Culexus and a barebones squad of Sag Guard instead.
2021/03/05 16:38:11
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
The list ran great. Mostly because it invalidated all his infantry though. Both dreads are fine, but you have to use Achilles as a bully threat since they are a bit more vunerable. I put all 3 galatus facing up againgst the silent king and the 3 achilles on the other side of the table and out of LOS of those mehnirs.
The achilles will kill basically anything that gets into melee with them so just position them in a maner that your opponent gets the charge off on one of them and the other 2 get to go ham.
3 galatus moving together is scary, especially if you have some dense terrain nearbye. They can advance turn 1 and be in threat range turn 2.
I took the bikes for some extra speed and anti-infantry. I had alot of quality attacks so I wanted to make sure I had some way to deal with hoards and hurricane bolters are the way to go there.
The storm cannon telemon is probably overcosted a bit. Im not sure how much though. Its better at anti-infantry than anti-vehicle though since if it stands still it gets 22 shots. Its not a bad model though, since it holds backfield objectives pretty good.
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2021/03/07 17:35:04
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
I know, I know, Valerian is not good. I'm tempted to pay his tax to bring Aleya for a character protected Sister. Have their rules been published anywhere official *besides* the box the models come in?
2021/03/07 19:32:31
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Audustum wrote: I know, I know, Valerian is not good. I'm tempted to pay his tax to bring Aleya for a character protected Sister. Have their rules been published anywhere official *besides* the box the models come in?
They were made legal in the last FAQ regarding their keywords and such if I recall correctly. But what would aleya give you that a culexus can't?
2021/03/07 19:41:41
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Audustum wrote: I know, I know, Valerian is not good. I'm tempted to pay his tax to bring Aleya for a character protected Sister. Have their rules been published anywhere official *besides* the box the models come in?
They were made legal in the last FAQ regarding their keywords and such if I recall correctly. But what would aleya give you that a culexus can't?
Sisters 4+ denial stratagem. In addition, Aleya's aura will stack with the Culexus's for -3 to all psykers within 18". It's a nice boost for her arguable 100 points. The only reason it's not an auto for me is because of the extra 100 point Valerian tax that comes with it.
2021/03/07 19:53:39
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Audustum wrote: I know, I know, Valerian is not good. I'm tempted to pay his tax to bring Aleya for a character protected Sister. Have their rules been published anywhere official *besides* the box the models come in?
They were made legal in the last FAQ regarding their keywords and such if I recall correctly. But what would aleya give you that a culexus can't?
Sisters 4+ denial stratagem. In addition, Aleya's aura will stack with the Culexus's for -3 to all psykers within 18". It's a nice boost for her arguable 100 points. The only reason it's not an auto for me is because of the extra 100 point Valerian tax that comes with it.
Thats nifty, cool idea. I'm just hoping that valerian gets at least somewhat decent in our new codex.
2021/03/07 23:55:31
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Having her in the list gives you access to a few strats and the stacking - to cast.
You get access to a -1 to hit strat to a unit thats within 6" of her, the deny strat (which is on a 3+ after you fail to Deny the Witch), and the double perils damage strat (when they perils they take 2d3 mortals instead of 1d3 for 1 CP).
Team her up with a cheap inquisitor (for the deny attempt you need to use her strat) and get access to all the inquisitor strats as well.
Valerian isnt special, but he doesnt need to be. Just make Trajann your warlord for the 12" heroic intervention bubble and take dreadhost. Give your terminator vexilla the ASA warlord trait so he's a buff machine and the eagles eye relic.
Turn one you use Moment shackle to do a free Execution bombardment on your opponents force for free mortals and be on your way.
What in your opinion is the best way to handle a Guard Parking lot with Custodes?
I'm thinking Vertus Praetors with Missiles with archeotech ammo?
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2021/03/08 00:51:54
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
High mobility with anti-tank threat. Also some midfield presence. Trajann stays with the termies and runs down the middle while the bike captain and the 2 small squads of vertus run up one flank and the big squad runs down the other flank. Turn 1 your hurricane bolters and aquillons can advance and fire their bolters to clear any chaff that pops out of destroyed transports from your missle bikes. Turn 2 your in position to charge basically anything.
If you happen to kill a character their next strat costs an extra CP.
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2021/03/08 12:42:03
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
I don't see Val and Alley getting any new rules updates. GW doesn't really look back on it's black library characters unless they get released as a sort of Campaign set like Ragnar. Besides, while Aleya sucks, Val is not a bad SC profile, he's actually a semi-decent beat stick. He has the profile all spears should have. S7 AP3 D3 damage.
Guard are really trash tier this edition so far. Bikes will mop them up quickly, but for their big stuff go Terminators. Aquillons with firepikes and fists will wreck their poop.
2021/03/08 13:33:18
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: I don't see Val and Alley getting any new rules updates. GW doesn't really look back on it's black library characters unless they get released as a sort of Campaign set like Ragnar. Besides, while Aleya sucks, Val is not a bad SC profile, he's actually a semi-decent beat stick. He has the profile all spears should have. S7 AP3 D3 damage.
Guard are really trash tier this edition so far. Bikes will mop them up quickly, but for their big stuff go Terminators. Aquillons with firepikes and fists will wreck their poop.
Nah, cmon. You really think so? I mean you are right, black library character releases are in an awkward place regarding rules updates, but I still remain hopefull that Valerian and Aleya both feature in our 9th ed codex.
2021/03/08 16:08:09
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Sly Marbo gets left out, as do all the other Guard characters from the books. The only characters we are seeing from BL make it into the Codex's in 9th are primaries, like Chapter Masters or Chief Librarians. Dante and Mephiston. I can't think of many below the rank of Captain that are coming to the tabletop in the Codex. Even the new book captain was left out of the codex even though his book pre-dated the codex.
I am really hoping that Val gets a new book, I like his fluff. How he dismisses the Primaris as same old same old, and slices them apart.
2021/03/20 17:37:18
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Odd, just checked and yhea, "not available online". Most frustrating as I was planning on getting one soon. Equally odd, the aquillon combo pack is not available online despite the both types of aquillon being in stock.
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2021/03/20 20:56:50
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
They're changing the shelf code.
This was explained a few times by the warcome feed - he automated system online hasn't update yet. Happened with the HH apothecaries, contemptor fist and the DA plasma guys as well.
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2021/03/29 08:41:45
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Just a heads-up - the Galatus Dread was "no longer available" as well, as my shopping cart told me and now is back to "out of stock". So there's a good chance it indeed is the usual FW fethery and the achillus will be back soon as well. Which would be nice, as I have a basketfull of FW models and wish to pull the trigger.. And the Achillus is missing in that.
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2021/03/29 14:25:24
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
since i can't keep up with all the space marines updates, I was thinking to switch to custodes. I already play them in HH and I was wondering if I have enough models to play 40k. At the moment I have 20 custodes (9 with powerfists and shields, 10 with spear and 1 captain with spear), 1 telemon, 9 bikes and 2 caladius grav tank annihilators.
Thanks in advice,
Spado
2021/03/29 15:01:51
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
since i can't keep up with all the space marines updates, I was thinking to switch to custodes. I already play them in HH and I was wondering if I have enough models to play 40k. At the moment I have 20 custodes (9 with powerfists and shields, 10 with spear and 1 captain with spear), 1 telemon, 9 bikes and 2 caladius grav tank annihilators.
Thanks in advice,
Spado
Custodes are great in 40k right now, they play very well into the 9th ed mission design. Unfortunately in 40k custodes can't take powerfists and shields, we have no rules or models for hetaeron guard (yet...I still hope we get them someday), though I would say you could easily play them as custodian guard with storm shield and sentinel blade.
The telemon is still one of the best dreadnoughts in the game and all of his weapon loadouts can work in 40k, even double fist. The caladius is still a very good tank, but is not seen as often anymore as he was in 8th ed, still a strong unit. The jetbikes are always solid, though of the two units available I would favor the dawneagle jetbikes over the agamatus jetbikes from forgeworld.
Assuming you play your custodes with powerfist and shield as the 40k sword and board guys, you are a bit over 2500points when you field every model you have. That gives you some room to play for a 2000p list. So to answer your main question: yes, you have more than enough models to play 40k.
As for units that you might consider when switching to 40k:
- Trajann Valoris, the current captain general is great and is used in a lot of lists because of his strong abilities.
- Terminators....in all varieties. Allarus terminators are great and Aquilon terminators from forgeworld are also amazing right now
- Venatari are also a very good, fast unit right now that can put out incredible firepower due to new stratagem support.
- Galatus/Achillus dreadnoughts are also rather strong right now. The galatus excels against heavy infantry and is very hard to shift. The achillus has amazing damage output in shooting, but especially in melee. He can murderize most vehicles and monsters in the game quite easily. The achillus is not as survivable as the galatus though.
All the additional things I have listed are not necessary to make a decent custodes list. The models you own are plenty strong to make a good list, but if you get one thing, get Trajann, because he can give your caladius tanks rerolls to hit and wound, which is really good.
Hope that helps.
2021/03/29 15:27:54
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: I'm legit confused by PF/SS Custodians? Did I miss a configuration for Aquillon Terminators?
Talk about redonk. S10 3d punching with no downside, and a 1+3++ +1 to save rolls?
It might be something in 30k, but not 40k.
In 30k custodes can field the hetaeron guard, which can be equipped with storm shields and power fists. These are the guys that literally stand next to the emperor, therefore their elite status even among the ten thousand.
Edit: in 40k the hetaeron guard are basically synonimus with the 300 companions who literally stand guard next to the golden throne 24/7.
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2021/03/29 15:43:29
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
*Grumble* My friends are asking me to get back into the game due to them hearing good things about 9th. I still have my Custodes from 8th as I never got rid of them. What would you advice as essential model pick-up to get back to competitive with them.
Khadorstompy wrote: *Grumble* My friends are asking me to get back into the game due to them hearing good things about 9th. I still have my Custodes from 8th as I never got rid of them. What would you advice as essential model pick-up to get back to competitive with them.
You are already very well equipped imo. You can build a decent list with what you have, but maybe not cutting edge competitive.
If you want to invest into new stuff here's my humble opinion on what to get:
- Trajann valoris: strong buffs and abilities, sees play in most lists
- more shield and sword custodian guard, they are our best troop choice right now and play the missions very well
- more terminators, both allarus and aquilon are great
2021/03/29 18:09:10
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: I'm legit confused by PF/SS Custodians? Did I miss a configuration for Aquillon Terminators?
Talk about redonk. S10 3d punching with no downside, and a 1+3++ +1 to save rolls?
In 30k your basic custodes can be equipped with powerfists and stormshields but apparently I cannot do that in 40k xD.
@Tiberias: thanks a lot for your answer!
Last question for now: should I wait before buying the codex? Are there any rumors about when the ninth edition codex will be available?
Cheers,
Spado
Nothing about a new codex, could be in two months, could be at the end of the year....maybe even later. Our current codex is a bit outdated right now obviously, but it is still viable, especially with the additional rules from psychic awakening war of the spider.
It also depends on how badly you want to play right now and if you even have an opportunity to play right now, depending on where you are from. We are in a global pandemic after all, so if you are in some sort of lockdown right now, you can hold off from buying the codex and war of the spider because you probably won't be gaming anyway.
If you are into custodes lore, the codex is worth buying. There are some nice background tidbits in there imo.
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