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up to 3 models in a SWS can have demo charges

ubermosher wrote:Not to mention the traffic jam 9 Valk models on a table will give you.

Was think that myself. The idea of 2-3 Valks loaded/w vets, storms, or a mix is fun to play around with but if the footprint is really large then deepstriking them could be a pain.

Question-Is it only vendettas that come in squadrons or can it be valks also?
If it is also valks, then do the units loaded have to be from the same platoon?
Does the Valk have anything that lets them bounce their Deep Strike like drop pods?

Does the Storm Troopers re-roll Deep Strike scatter carry over to the Valkerie?

The idea of a squadron loaded with vets/STs all arriving at the same time off of one reserve roll is intriguing. Just could be problematic if your opponent spreads out to make the deepstrike difficult and or if their is to much terrain.


Don't want an argument here or comments about my not knowing what I'm saying. Been playing a Deep Strike army, successfully, for 5 years with an army that uses non-expendable units and I'm simply asking questions.


Speaking of which, Next question.

Can units/squadrons intermingle if they all stay withing unit/squadron cohesion?
Reason I'm asking is that the Chimera is just under 4" wide and that 2 Russes without sponsons could theoretically sandwhich one between them without losing squadron coherency. There are some serious downsides to this tactic but would allow a push up the middle while protecting a Chimeras side armour. On the table edge you'd just lead with one russ and protect the side with the other. Still has downside from possible boxing in of Chimera, though.

Valkyries come in squadrons too. There's no mention that they have to carry units from the same platoon.

Mekboy wrote:I assume they'll be like the orks ones, a second wave release.

(That's the characters, not the voxes)

I'm sure many of them will just get re-releases of their old miniatures, with the usual price mark up and repackage.

Lukas Bastonne and Harker are the only ones without a mini. Chenkov, Kamir, and Al’rahem will most certainly get redos, and I'd guess Nork stands a chance as well (but not necessary. These characters already have relatively upto date minis and will likely get that recycle treatment: Sly Marbo, Straken, Creed and Kell, Yarrick. Fortunately they're all still in the online store, for now.

In the same way Ox could potentially be recast as Harker, I could imagine them doing the same with Schaeffer as Lukas who until recently was being sold as a generic heroic officer online in the non-collectors section.

But it seems they usually do some metals in each 'new wave'. And it's not like it's unusual for them to redo characters.

Personally, I'm betting we'll see an Al'Raheim or Chenkov recast at the very least. Probably alongside the useless Mogul Kamir.

I would love them to do Kamir properly, but I'm afraid they'd just use one of those lackluster plastic horses.

Maybe they'll kick it up a notch alongside some new RRs. They latest fantasy cavalry has been freaking wicked!

Platuan4th wrote:

As I've stated before I think Gunnery Sergeant Harker(Artillery Sergeant was a mistranslation from the French) will most likely be a re-release of the old Ox figure from the Last Chancers set(the one with the heavy bolter that happens to also look like a Catachan).



Edit: found a better picture.

Until then you can expect to see a bunch of SM scout w/HB models.

ubermosher wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

As I've stated before I think Gunnery Sergeant Harker(Artillery Sergeant was a mistranslation from the French) will most likely be a re-release of the old Ox figure from the Last Chancers set(the one with the heavy bolter that happens to also look like a Catachan).



Edit: found a better picture.

Until then you can expect to see a bunch of SM scout w/HB models.

Yep I got a few scout HB arms on my Catachans May have to reconvert one to look extra bad ass.

Speaking of metal models what officers (besides commander) are going to be able to have boltguns. I have a few metal catachan Lts that may have no place in my army soon =/

AlexCage wrote:But it seems they usually do some metals in each 'new wave'. And it's not like it's unusual for them to redo characters.

They've reached their quota, for this wave. Commisar Lord, Ratlings, Advisors, Primaris Psyker, in addition to all the plastic we get with this wave.

They've redone characters in the past, Yarrick was redone at one point, so was Marneus Calgar and a number of characters from other armies as well, certainly not alot but enough to create precedent. If rumors of greatcoats ever turn out to be true, that's when they'd redo Chenkov.

Most everything rumored in the pipelines beyond this codex is plastic. That leaves room for a good number of metal models to be done. I think with plastic Roughriders rumored as being worked on that makes Kamir likely.

We really don't need much in this department, which means they'll either redo those characters or give us something we can "meh" like more sanctioned psykers.

Scottywan82 wrote:Furhter evidence that to-hit modifiers and saving throw modifiers need to coem BACK to 40K!

YES!

I agree! (Terminator armor saving on a 3+ on 2d6!)

It will also NEVER happen!

Or! Or PLASTIC Sanctioned Pyskers! YES!

Cool idea, but if they were released before plastic Stormtroopers there'd be rioting in the aisles of GWs everywhere.

I doubt there is enough demand for plastic Psykers. Stormtroopers are for Planet Strike. We'll see the Rough Riders, Chimera/Hellhound etc., LR BT/Demo/Exterm./Vanq., and probably Artillery (Griffon/Colossus, Basilisk, and Medusa) as plastic kits in wave two. I can't imagine us getting more than that in plastic. IG would only need a hydra, deathstrike, manticore, and the remaining LR variants all of which could be handled by FW or a direct order sprues.

< Taken by the void dragon. >

Boo on FW and Boo on direct order!

I hope they make it all in plastic as they have for SM. But of course, they won't because they're not for SM!

too bad every resin kit I get from FW is warped or has 3-4 over-pours of resin. Those guys need to get their $hit togeather and get a quality control dept. before I ever order from them again. Those guys are crap.

Kungfuhustler wrote:too bad every resin kit I get from FW is warped or has 3-4 over-pours of resin. Those guys need to get their $hit togeather and get a quality control dept. before I ever order from them again. Those guys are crap.

They skimp on QC to put more points in PR. Minmaxing bastards.

Luckily it means they'll send you replacements for pretty much anything that's badly casted, broken, severely warped, or just wrong (I've gotten Conqueror turrets instead of Demolisher Turrets before. Woo hoo, now I have Nova Cannon turrets!).

Usually you don't have to return anything, or pay shipping for the new items. Give 'em a ring!


This Forge World pimping brought to you by a helpless resin junkie.

Well lets look at it this way... if FW rejected all the models shipped out that had minor warping how much more expensive would each good kit have to be to make up the cost? Resin isn't easy. It also gives you a sense of their profit margin that they can so easily fix their QC problems by shipping a free replacement.

Don't defend FW. Their QA is shocking.

aka_mythos wrote:Well lets look at it this way... if FW rejected all the models shipped out that had minor warping how much more expensive would each good kit have to be to make up the cost? Resin isn't easy. It also gives you a sense of their profit margin that they can so easily fix their QC problems by shipping a free replacement.

Or they could put the money they lose on free replacements into QA?

H.B.M.C. wrote:Don't defend FW. Their QA is shocking.

Shocking in the fact that it doesn't exist? Like, at all?

Their customer service has done so well by me that I'll defend them to the death! Or until they wrong me, whichever comes first.

AlexCage wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Don't defend FW. Their QA is shocking.

Shocking in the fact that it doesn't exist? Like, at all?

Their customer service has done so well by me that I'll defend them to the death! Or until they wrong me, whichever comes first.

How did you even get in touch with them? They never answed any of my e-mails and international calling is completely out of the question

Scottywan82 wrote:Maybe they'll kick it up a notch alongside some new RRs. They latest fantasy cavalry has been freaking wicked!

Actually, it turns out the latest from Warseer says Kamir gets his D3+1 charge bonus attacks from, wait for it it, a "Mechanical Horse". So that means either they're not releasing a model, or it'll be all-metal.

They made a robotic horse for the Empire. They could do it here. I doubt it though - Kamir didn't get a model in 2nd Ed - so I'll be surprised if Wave Workshop will make one this time around.

It's too bad FW isn't interested in doing individual figures anymore. Intricate special characters would be lovely in resin. I can only suppose doing full ranges is so profitable (judging from the amount of Death Korps armies out there) for them that they don't care.

As for ragging FW in general, I cannot in all honesty accuse them of anything because none of my FW models (two vehciles, an artillery piece, four infantry and a Cadian upgrade kit) have been very bad at all. Gotten lucky so far, I surmise.

Yes. Lucky is the world. Never order old minis, only the newest stuff.

And what's this about them not being interested in individual figures any more? Just recently they did a Daemon Prince, Herald, Khornate Terminator Lord and a new Terminator Inquisitor?

H.B.M.C. wrote:Yes. Lucky is the world. Never order old minis, only the newest stuff.

And what's this about them not being interested in individual figures any more? Just recently they did a Daemon Prince, Herald, Khornate Terminator Lord and a new Terminator Inquisitor?

Hm, now that I think on it, my Malcador was ordered pre-release, but the Arvus, Thudd Gun, Titan crew and Tech-servitor were all fairly established models by the time I received them.

Sorry, "individual" as a poor word. I meant it in the sense "not related to an ongoing IA campaign book". The last such example we saw was the new Eldar Cobra, and that was apparently in the pipeline for a long, long time. Hm, or were the Biker Nobz later than that?

Not Bikerz were recent, but that was to go with the release of a Codex, which I assume counts just as much as whatever volume of the Siege of Vraks they're up to this month (cannot wait for that series to end - not because it's bad, but so we can move onto something else).

Arvus, Thudd Gun, Titan crew and Tech Servitor are all 'new'. When I say old, I mean the original stuff before the big boom, so old Super Heavies, the older Guard vehicles and conversion kits.

The Manticores, a smaller kit, are impossible to put together without converting the Chimera hulls you're using, yet the Bombard (after a little lovin' with some hot water to bend a few things) fit to the Russ chassis perfectly. The original Stormblade had me wishing death upon the world by the time I was done it was so maddening difficult to put together (there are still parts that don't fit together), yet I can't find fault with the Macharius tanks I own.

Newer = Better.

FW's tech has improved. They're still lousy at using it, but at least we're now fighting against good models made badly, rather than bad models made badly. It's progress - slow progress - but progress nonetheless.

ah, I see what you mean.

We typically get far less advance warning of FW releases, so at this juncture, it's anyone's guess what comes out from them within the next couple of months. A Vendetta conversion kit would sell like hotcakes, I'm sure.

I think a part of FW's problem in general is that they don't break their casts into small enough parts. A lot of parts on the kits are really, really complex, which results in air bubbles and so on. They're trying, and failing to balance playability with cast-ability.

Lord Solaar wrote:

AlexCage wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Don't defend FW. Their QA is shocking.

Shocking in the fact that it doesn't exist? Like, at all?

Their customer service has done so well by me that I'll defend them to the death! Or until they wrong me, whichever comes first.

How did you even get in touch with them? They never answed any of my e-mails and international calling is completely out of the question

Oh. Well if International Calling isn't an option for you then I really don't know. I've heard some people do get email responses, but that seems to be the exception, rather than the rule. I just give 'em a call bright an early in the morning local time (So before they leave for the day). Always super helpful over the phone. I guess they have an aversion to written communications.

H.B.M.C. wrote:
The Manticores, a smaller kit, are impossible to put together without converting the Chimera hulls you're using, yet the Bombard (after a little lovin' with some hot water to bend a few things) fit to the Russ chassis perfectly. The original Stormblade had me wishing death upon the world by the time I was done it was so maddening difficult to put together (there are still parts that don't fit together), yet I can't find fault with the Macharius tanks I own.

Newer = Better.

FW's tech has improved. They're still lousy at using it, but at least we're now fighting against good models made badly, rather than bad models made badly. It's progress - slow progress - but progress nonetheless.

Seriously, what's with the Manticore/Hydra kits? Why in the name of all that is holy are they 2 MM narrower than the space alloted in the Chimera chasis?! I should just get a belt sander for my next one...

But you can see the best example of this discrepency in quality when looking at Aeronautica models. They use their old epic casts for Thunderbolts, Lightnings, and Marauder bombers, but all the new stuff, like Marauder Recon planes and Heavy Bombers are all.. new! The old are horrible casts and the molds are CLEARLY past their prime. Absolute CRAP on detail, and even for such small, simple models, they are horrible on miscasts and warping. The new ones are crisp, detailed, and an absolute joy to work with.

It makes me wonder how different Elysians would be from DKOK, even though they are relatively newer.