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I have found a replacement for Scarper.

They should be all set to start posting after the NightPhase. So they're not getting Nightkilled or lynched. (The option isn't available, not that they're protected)

I'll also extend this DayPhase to the 7th

RustyKnight wrote:Sorry about the lack of posts in the last few days, been relatively busy.

@EF- I wouldn't be worried about looking bad if LL is innocent. Bishop and myself have been much more vocal in going after him; we'll be the ones that get looked at strange if he's innocent.

The same is true for me if Vulkan turns out to be innocent. Things even between Vulkan and LL, the last thing I want to do is be the one who tips the balance with a vote. If LL or Vulkan turn out to be innocent, then I'll be accused of being a Dark Kin pushing the vote in. If either of them prove to be a Dark Kin, then I'll be accussed of pushing them under a bus to make myself look good. I'm sorry, Rusty, but I don't have enough confidence in eithers guilt to press a vote. I think I've made myself look bad enough with voting then unvoting Vulkan all of the sudden.

Who is the replacement?

In Day 1 I listed a long accusation. In Day 2 I then listed further issues I had with you, though they were an addendum to Day 1's. I see no reason to further fill this thread with the repeated posts.

You were loud on Day 1 calling for Shas's death, backing off only when it was fairly clear you'd turned most against him, distancing yourself from the killing of an innocent.

You attacked several Eldar for being in any way inconsistent.

You then in Day 2 went quiet, a huge inconsistency from Day 1 and attacked several Eldar for talking too much and voting within the first couple of posts.

Overall you've been inconsistent, a leading speaker behind the death of at least one innocent and are now, as EF said, floundering, trying to find some way out.

I have heard your defence and it was in many ways good and sensible, which is why I was hesitant at the start of Day 2, but as time has passed I have become more convinced of it.

Despite all this, I see many of our fellow Eldar prefer to stay quiet, on the fence, avoiding choosing. I respect those who have chosen a side, but EF, I think you should choose a side or find someone else who you think is more guilty. Backing away now leaves Vulkan to die and you appearing to have slunk away.

I know I'm getting pushy now, but I'm frustrated by all the silence around me. We are Eldar, with thoughts to spare, we communicate on every level, yet now many of us sit around avoiding responsibility or trying to make all this go away. It won't go away unless we join and work to cast out whoever is making this hell on our ship. Please, brothers. Let your voice be heard, if not against Lord-Loss, then against someone else. We have a long way to go and the Farseer's remains MUST make it back to the craftworld. Do not let the last Eldar standing be one who will pilot this craft into the Warp.

Bishop, I understand that you may seem impatient with the lack of talk (I am too) but you are also coming off as trying to push a vote, especially against LL.

The quiet certainly isn't helping, but I don't see how me poping in with a vote is going to help at all either.

We're jumping at ghosts. And unfortunately, those of us with a voice have already voted and are now locked in.

Fine I'll ask this then.

What do the oppoisite parties think on their respective votes?
Ferret, Arheiner, what do you think of LL?
Bishop, Rusty, what do you think of Vulkan?

the_ferrett wrote:We're jumping at ghosts. And unfortunately, those of us with a voice have already voted and are now locked in.

That's the lazy way out. The only thing stopping you from doing anything is a fear of attracting attention.

On the topic of Vulkan: Vulkan is being incredibly stupid. He's either a civvy who has given up in frustration or a cunning scum. After all that I've seen of him, I highly doubt he's capable of realizing that by being quiet we'll think he's just a noob. It's more likely that he is just a noob.

I came to the same conclusion as Rusty about Vulkan. It doesn't make sense for a DE to try to play the same way as Shas'o did yesterday, especially since it got him lynched.

Since I believe Vulkan is innocent, I'd say my immediate suspicion is Arheiner.

1. He has pushed for mildly suspicious "useless" players to be eliminated first. Once with Shas'o and again with Vulkan. It can be argued that it's a calloused pro-town move, but it's just as scummy if they're innocent.

2. He practices what preaches, since he's one of the only three that voted for Shas'o at the end that is voting for Vulkan now.

Cowardly? Cowardly would be unvoting Vulkan now and letting you lot use the 'oh look we ran outa time' to lynch LL, who doesn't look guilty to me. Neither does Vulkan. But changing my vote now is just the same as voting LL, as I said.

@Avantgarde: Having stated your suspicion of Arhiener and your stance on Vulkan, what do you think of Lord Loss?

I have already said that I believe Vulkan to be an innocent. Looking at the way he's played since he started, he's obviously not too bothered about this game, interacting on only the most basic level to avoid being replaced. He's either so intelligent that he has me fooled (which doesn't require a lot of intelligence, but still...) or else he's bored. And maybe I'm arrogant, but I really think it must be the latter.

I am honestly NOT pushing for anyone to vote for Lord Loss, I am pushing for people to go back, examine the evidence of people and decide for themselves. I don't want anyone to vote against their consciences, I don't want LL to die if people don't want him to.

I want more votes from people and I want there to be more discussion. I am putting myself very much in the limelight and under the assassin's gaze to try and secure the soul of our leader and of all of us. Our soul stones are in danger and I want to go home to the craftworld, dead or alive.

I am not 100% sure on who to vote for, but that should usually be the case. Bishop and LL seem to be very similar to me, but that was mostly arund day one. This day, they have gradually become different, but still similar. Vulkan's silence has been rather suspicious, but LL has kind of to a lesser extent done the same thing.

Therefore after thinking about it the most, it seems the best thing to do would be to vote for one of them and keep a close eye on the other as well as the other suspicious ones.

Vote: Lord Loss

Reading back over the thread I feel more and more suspicous of Bishop. I just can't get leave the two crazy idea's he had in Day One, has everyone forgotten about that?

N0t_u, so can you explain exactly why I'm suspicous? Not sure I understand your logic.

Lord-Loss wrote:Reading back over the thread I feel more and more suspicous of Bishop. I just can't get leave the two crazy idea's he had in Day One, has everyone forgotten about that?

Lord-Loss cries "Quick, look over there! It was a sasquatch I swear!"

Idea one: kill off all the experienced players
- Mostly a dumb chain of thoughts that I typed rather than keeping internal, but after discussion with EF and yourself it was pointed out how stupid it was and how much time it would waste. This is my first game, I wasn't sure how things worked. It was quickly withdrawn and forgotten.

Idea two: roll a D12 and lynch them
- Said in extreme frustration in the middle of Day 1 when nothing seemed to be happening. I said random voting means nothing and we should just lynch someone totally at random. If you reread that post it's obvious that I was annoyed at the way the conversation was just swirling around. Jokes ensued about using 2D6 and then they were forgotten. I'll add now that I realise that would never work as then we'd have no voting pattern to examine.

Keep the low balls coming LL, I can knock them back as well as you can

Voting Count 13

- n0t_u ( - )
- the_ferret ( - )
- BishopGore ( - )
2- Vulkan (Arheiner, the_ferret)
- Arheiner ( - )
- RustyKnight ( - )
- AvantGarde ( - )
3- Lord-Loss (RustyKnight, BishopGore, n0t_u)
-Emperor's Faithful ( - )

With 10 alive, 6 is required for a lynch. Will it be you?

If the deadline were to come to pass now Lord-Loss would be lynched

Not voting: n0t_u, avantegarde, Lord-Loss, Vulkan

Vote Log (DayPhase 2)

EF voted for Vulkan
the_ferrett voted for RustyKnight
Arheiner voted for Vulkan
the_ferrett unvoted Rusty
BishopGore voted for Arheiner
the_ferrett voted for Vulkan
Rusty voted for Lord-Loss
BishopGore unvoted Arheiner
BishopGore voted for Lord-Loss
EF untoed for Vulkan
n0t_u voted for Lord-Loss

Lord-Loss wrote:I just can't get leave the two crazy idea's he had in Day One, has everyone forgotten about that?

You really do seem to be getting desperate don't you? Of course he had crazy ideas. He was new to the game and he was frustrated with the seeemingly random machinations of the day one voting structure.

If you don't want to repeat Shas'o's demise, why fling mud at Bishop? Bishop was (is) a new player (like Shas'o), Bishop is talkative (like Shas'o), and Bishop had some less than stellar ideas day one (like Shas'o). It looks a lot like every time you post you try some new strategy to survive. Claiming innocence and repeating what everyone else was saying (I have no idea what's going on but shas'o's death was bad) didn't work, so now you're trying to make Bishop look bad to save yourself.

Lord Loss is looking pretty frantic, but Vulkan is still staying very quiet. (At a very good time for him too, might I add). We've run into a deadlock that his silence does nothing to help. Perhaps he's waiting for us to off Lord Loss and hopefully forget him? Despite this, with not_u's vote having changed the balance (for better or worse), and Lord Loss seemingly desperately grabbing at straws, I'm now much more confident in my decision to back this up.

Vote: Lord Loss

Yanno. This'd be the second time Rusty and Bishop have worked together to pressure people. Whether for good or ill is yet to be seen.

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:EF untoed for Vulkan

lol, I just noticed this, did anyone else?

Vulkan has no toes now?

the_ferrett wrote:Yanno. This'd be the second time Rusty and Bishop have worked together to pressure people. Whether for good or ill is yet to be seen.

Really? When did we pressure someone before? I'm pretty sure Lord-Loss has been the first time we've even vaguely agreed on anything this game. I shall have to check and see whether this seeming collaboration has actually happened before or if you are raving.

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:EF untoed for Vulkan

I'm pretty sure that means YOU have no toes EF. And it was done for Vulkan. Sounds pretty sweet

I gave you my toes Vulkan! My toes!!!!

Well LL both you and Bishop seemed to have taken turns at trying to manipulate the general majority. Like I said I'm not quite sure, but one thing I do know is that if you end up being innocent Bishop will not survive the next day. I'd vote for Bishop, as he's another one that seems suspicious to me, but that would end up with me just throwing away my vote most likely >_>

So LL is sitting at two to lynch. So unless Vulkan comes out of hiding (yeah right) or someone voting for Vulkan changes their mind it looks like we're stuck waiting for the day to end.

Well it's not too bad, only 20 hours.

damn this is difficult
LL makes a good point
BG makes a good point
EF makes a good point
I don't know who to support
GRRRR aggghhh

Did his mind just explode or something?

I know I'm taking a huge chance on Lord-Loss, I'm betting my own life on this, if he's innocent then I will deserve death.

n0t_u wrote:Did his mind just explode or something?

Absolutely yes. However it shows a lack of decision making, so this probably renders him harmless regardless of role.

Unless of course he's a Dark Kin. Vulkan seems to be doing his best to stay out of the spotlight and add nothing useful. Either he's hopeless at adding things to a conversation, or he's doing so on purpose becuase he feels safe now that Lord Loss is L-2.