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Monster Rain wrote:I agree that there is a difference in degrees between "boobs for the young men" and "believable characters of either gender" but you can't sit there and act like they don't pander with strong female characters in movies and television. (Lifetime Network, anyone?)

Oh, they do, for sure. There's certainly nothing to say that female themed games would be any less junk than most male themed games are now. When we look at the games that have reasonably equal or mostly female players you see things like The Sims and Second Life, which are pretty much the junkfood of computer games.

But I didn't read Fafnir's post as calling just for greater gender equality in games, but just calling for more mature games in general.

Oh, and another thing. I keep seeing your new avatar and thinking it is Frazzled posting.

I imagine that could fairly jarring at times

sebster wrote:

MonsterRain wrote:Oh, and another thing. I keep seeing your new avatar and thinking it is Frazzled posting.

I imagine that could fairly jarring at times

And my avatards are very hard to miss.

sebster wrote:but just calling for more mature games in general.

This. Splattered blood and copious amounts of tits does not a mature game make.

Fafnir wrote:

sebster wrote:but just calling for more mature games in general.

This. Splattered blood and copious amounts of tits does not a mature game make.

If anything that makes the game immature!

Fafnir wrote:

sebster wrote:but just calling for more mature games in general.

This. Splattered blood and copious amounts of tits does not a mature game make.

Fun it can be though.

Soladrin wrote:

Fafnir wrote:

sebster wrote:but just calling for more mature games in general.

This. Splattered blood and copious amounts of tits does not a mature game make.

Fun it can be though.

That is true. But not every game needs excessive violence and nudity.

It's not too often that you get a game that has some really deep and powerful themes, and explores them at great depth. The last game I remember that really dealt with sexuality in a very mature manner was Persona 4 (I guess you could say Bayonetta, but that does it moreso in a satirical tongue-in-cheek kind of way). And I'm not talking about simply having a sex scene. It dealt with the actual themes of sexuality, sexual discovery, sexual deviance, and sexual identity. And it did it with great taste and believability. But that's one game out of millions. And that's kind of sad.

And how many games handle violence in such a way? Short of games like No More Heroes and Madworld, I can't really think of much. And in the case of those two games, they do more to examine the gamer psyche then to actually study or artfully display violence itself.
For all the videogames that take place in war settings, we never get to see the actual impact of the players actions. You see enemy soldiers and allied soldiers, but never civilians, never the real lives. Just imagine you were playing a World War 2 shooter, and you're in a bombed city. Walking through the remains, and you come across a dying civilian, severely burned during the bombing. What's more, imagine the interactivity you could add to it, and thus, add a sense of responsability to the player.
Imagine a wargame that transcends the idea of a game, more into an actual work of art. Imagine, instead of portraying a series of missions to complete in order to beat a game, you could convey a real sense of pain and horror? You could achieve a message deeper than any movie ever could simply allowing the player to feel it all first hand.


Oh, and for the record, everyone should play Persona 4, Bayonetta, No More Heroes (1 and 2), and Madworld. They're all absolutely wonderful games.

lol, lifetime...

Funny... I have no interest in desperate housewifes, I married a princess, wife swap, or shop till you drop. I'm a gamer, not some tarted up bored housewife.

Melissia wrote:lol, lifetime...

Funny... I have no interest in desperate housewifes, I married a princess, wife swap, or shop till you drop. I'm a gamer, not some tarted up bored housewife.

All bad shows IMO, so gamer or not, you shouldn't like them.

Tim the Biovore wrote:

Melissia wrote:lol, lifetime...

Funny... I have no interest in desperate housewifes, I married a princess, wife swap, or shop till you drop. I'm a gamer, not some tarted up bored housewife.

All bad shows IMO, so gamer or not, you shouldn't like them.

I don't mind desperate housewives.

corpsesarefun wrote:

Tim the Biovore wrote:

Melissia wrote:lol, lifetime...

Funny... I have no interest in desperate housewifes, I married a princess, wife swap, or shop till you drop. I'm a gamer, not some tarted up bored housewife.

All bad shows IMO, so gamer or not, you shouldn't like them.

I don't mind desperate housewives.

QFT.

The show or..?

Soladrin wrote:The show or..?

Depends on what is on offer.

corpsesarefun wrote:

Soladrin wrote:The show or..?

Depends on what is on offer.

My god...you really are me from the past aren't you.

My kitty broke his chew toy apparently (it's a cloth mouse attached to a string of elastic material wth a plastic ring on the other end). It now has no attachment to the string.


I thought I would say this, because it is more interesting than talking about Lifetime.

Melissia wrote:My kitty broke his chew toy apparently (it's a cloth mouse attached to a string of elastic material wth a plastic ring on the other end). It now has no attachment to the string.


I thought I would say this, because it is more interesting than talking about Lifetime.

Seriously, what the feth is lifetime.

It's a "women's entertainment" channel.

Mostly watched by bored, jobless housewives who don't actually have any other hobbies and rarely have any personality.

corpsesarefun wrote:

Melissia wrote:My kitty broke his chew toy apparently (it's a cloth mouse attached to a string of elastic material wth a plastic ring on the other end). It now has no attachment to the string.


I thought I would say this, because it is more interesting than talking about Lifetime.

Seriously, what the feth is lifetime.

It's a television network,supposedly "for Women"....the majority of the programing I've seen on it (admittedly little) are films depicting women as victims or lunatics...or both.

Who brought it up? it seems totally unrelated to moaning about the opposite gender unless it is some sort of yank version of loose women.

Eh.. whatever.. we have our spacemans, they have their.. uh.. stuff. Ride with it.

Monster Rain brought it up apparently, given that someone quoting his post was the first mention I saw of it in this thread. Suffice it to say, I'm not some thirty something housewife who has never worked a day in her life, married to a man in a dead end job with kids in school and no future. That's who Lifetime is aimed at.

Not like anyone could take that post seriously. Lifetime doesn't show strong action heroines worthy of a video game.

Melissia wrote:Monster Rain brought it up apparently, given that someone quoting his post was the first mention I saw of it in this thread. Suffice it to say, I'm not some thirty something housewife who has never worked a day in her life, married to a man in a dead end job with kids in school and no future. That's who Lifetime is aimed at.

Not like anyone could take that post seriously. Lifetime doesn't show strong action heroines worthy of a video game.

You are taking the comment way too personally, he was commenting on how the use of generic feminist "strong" women is just as much pandering as the all women are strippers approach just to a different demographic.

Then... dare I ask.. what are you? :O

The problem is that it seems like if you're a female character in videogames, you either have to be a submissive plot device, a stripperific sex icon, or a hard-nosed bitch. There's not too much leeway.

It's nice to have characters like The Boss and Bayonetta, who defy those tropes.

Soladrin wrote:Then... dare I ask.. what are you? :O

She is an angry video game chick.

corpsesarefun wrote:

Melissia wrote:Monster Rain brought it up apparently, given that someone quoting his post was the first mention I saw of it in this thread. Suffice it to say, I'm not some thirty something housewife who has never worked a day in her life, married to a man in a dead end job with kids in school and no future. That's who Lifetime is aimed at.

Not like anyone could take that post seriously. Lifetime doesn't show strong action heroines worthy of a video game.

You are taking the comment way too personally, he was commenting on how the use of generic feminist "strong" women is just as much pandering as the all women are strippers approach just to a different demographic.

Not really, I'm saying Lifetime sucks.


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corpsesarefun wrote:

Soladrin wrote:Then... dare I ask.. what are you? :O

She is an angry video game chick.

I'm not angry, I just have an inordinately hot blooded nature online to make up for being overly polite IRL. It's a stress release valve.

You are amazingly good at ignoring me :(

Melissia wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:

Melissia wrote:Monster Rain brought it up apparently, given that someone quoting his post was the first mention I saw of it in this thread. Suffice it to say, I'm not some thirty something housewife who has never worked a day in her life, married to a man in a dead end job with kids in school and no future. That's who Lifetime is aimed at.

Not like anyone could take that post seriously. Lifetime doesn't show strong action heroines worthy of a video game.

You are taking the comment way too personally, he was commenting on how the use of generic feminist "strong" women is just as much pandering as the all women are strippers approach just to a different demographic.

Not really, I'm saying Lifetime sucks.


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corpsesarefun wrote:

Soladrin wrote:Then... dare I ask.. what are you? :O

She is an angry video game chick.

I'm not angry, I just have an inordinately foul and hot blood online to make up for being overly polite. It's a stress release valve.

Lifetime probably does suck but it is totally unrelated to you being a gamer not some bored housewife.

Soladrin wrote:You are amazingly good at ignoring me :(

It's not intentional...

I'm just... me. If I had to classify myself, I'm a college student whose tastes tend towards sci-fi and fantasy, as well as being into gaming and wargaming. Unlike some people, I'm not defined by my gender...


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corpsesarefun wrote:Lifetime probably does suck but it is totally unrelated to you being a gamer not some bored housewife.

... unless, of course, this is the reason why I say it sucks?

Your defined by your permanent state of unforgiving...

Where was I going with this?...

God I'm bored.

I wouldn't say unforgiving (I forgave Alpharius for example, as our grievances against eachother were caused by a misunderstanding), I'm just stubborn.