So Grey Knights worship Khorne now?

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**Toreador**

I think our definition, or preconception of "pure" or "incorruptible" seems to be somewhat contrary to how the Grey Knights codex reads. In bits and pieces all over it I seem to get the hint that they are more about the logic of things. They don't destroy worlds that have witnessed them out of malice, it is because they must to preserve humanity. It seems to be the same throughout the book, that doesn't really match up to the preconceived notions of what pure is. Pure is more that they don't wish evil, or malice. They don't let emotion cloud their thoughts. Their intent at protecting humanity as a whole is their pure and incorruptible concept. They aren't the white knights that people expect them to be, they operate in the grey areas.

**im2randomghgh**

Lord Harrab wrote:
im2randomghgh wrote:
Melissia wrote:Tau = evil. They kill people who don't convert to their culture and set of beliefs and enslave those who do.
Eldar = evil. They callously sacrifice billions for the lives of a few.

The Tau kill. That's called war. They fight against the true horrors of the Milky Way-Tyranids, IoM, and Orks.

Would you consider the Allies evil for killing Nazis? Even if they are not defending one of their planets, it's still defence, since if they just wait for the IoM to recover from the Nids, they will just have to deal with crusade after crusade until they die. They sacrifice all for the greater good of the community and race as a whole-evil or noble?

Don't compare them to the IoM, as man kills anything they don't see as pure, human, and loyal to the Emperor, and even then, they still do sometimes. All humans are considered expendable, whereas the Tau don't even consider the Kroot, who are expendable, to be expendable. It even says so in the dex.

Godwin's Law.

The tau aren't defending their territory, the IoM has bigger problems to face and only react when the Tau hit them hard enough, or steal several of their planets, its the Imperials that are "being defensive"

edit: also do you think all those Guardsmen and Space marines are dying just because they were told to? They die for the good of their people, guardsmen give up any hope of a normal life and Space Marines give up their humanity in order to defend mankind, Evil/Noble?

Men are sold into guard service as a tithe on planets without wealth. Space marines die because they are psycho-conditioned to do so.
The IoM is not being defensive, the Tau, when they were a mono-planet race, were going to face genocide at the hands of the IoM simply because man didn't see a use in keeeping them alive. The Tau are being smart. If you were the Tau, would you just sit on your haunches and hope the IoM just goes away? They are most likely the most understanding and level-headed race in 40K, and are probably the most relatable to humans in 011.M2.

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Asherian Command wrote:

Tau are evil, they say join the greater good or die! And they have been equally brutal to other species and such. They interrorgate others. Plus the tau aren't really a big threat.

The Tau have never been known to resort to torture if that's what your implying, and have more humane (Taumane?) means of accomplishing their goals.

**Lord Harrab**

I don't think kicking a sleeping giant is a very smart thing to do.

**im2randomghgh**

Lord Harrab wrote:I don't think kicking a sleeping giant is a very smart thing to do.

Sleeping giant? Have you not heard of the Damocles Gulf Crusade? The Explorator fleet that was going to extinguish the Tau when they were primitives, just cuz? The Imperium that never negociates, ever? The IoM that ate my cookie? Bastards!

**Asherian Command**

im2randomghgh wrote:
Lord Harrab wrote:I don't think kicking a sleeping giant is a very smart thing to do.

Sleeping giant? Have you not heard of the Damocles Gulf Crusade? The Explorator fleet that was going to extinguish the Tau when they were primitives, just cuz? The Imperium that never negociates, ever? The IoM that ate my cookie? Bastards!

Wow you really are one of the biggest tau defenders ever.

**im2randomghgh**

Asherian Command wrote:
im2randomghgh wrote:
Lord Harrab wrote:I don't think kicking a sleeping giant is a very smart thing to do.

Sleeping giant? Have you not heard of the Damocles Gulf Crusade? The Explorator fleet that was going to extinguish the Tau when they were primitives, just cuz? The Imperium that never negociates, ever? The IoM that ate my cookie? Bastards!

Wow you really are one of the biggest tau defenders ever.

**asimo77**

Man people really pick on the Tau don't they?

**Ascalam**

It's because they're smart, and small

The small, smart ones always get picked on

**asimo77**

Smart? They threw a party for Necrons, befriended Urien Rakarth, and thought they killed Slaanesh.

They are small though...

**Ascalam**

Ok, tech intelligent, not smart intelligent.

Bright but naive as all hell.

Urien: Making a deal with dark fey (or the 40k version) is always a bad idea- lesson learned the hard way. To be fair they were a bit desperate at the time, but still...

Necrons- inviting evil robots to a shindig rarely ends well - lesson learned the hard way again. First contact with Necrons i think, so slight mitigation there, but not much

When did they think they'd killed slaanesh? That sounds like a fun story

**Melissia**

One of their two codices I think.

Tau have no idea of the scale of the threats that face them if they ever become a power in the galaxy (They aren't).

**Platuan4th**

Melissia wrote:One of their two codices I think.

It was a WD story, actually.

At the time, they were unfamiliar with the idea of gods(lacking any themselves), and assumed that this "Slaanesh" they were talking about was the force's leader.

It was also their first time facing possession after some of the Kroot ate Daemonflesh.

**Kommissar Kel**

not sure, didn't read the whole thread but: Did anyone point out the reality of the story?

Yes the GK mercilessly slaughtered the innocent Sisters... because they basically had to. They mixed the blood of said sisters with anointing oils and unguents as they needed the blood of "Pure and innocent" peoples to banish the daemons, it was not "for fun"; but rather out of grim(-dark?) necessity.

the concept has actually been around in many religions throughout human history; in order to appease the god(s) or banish the evil the blood of an innocent must be used(many times the full sacrifice of the innocents life, but sometimes just a small amount of blood is needed).

**im2randomghgh**

Platuan4th wrote:
Melissia wrote:One of their two codices I think.

It was a WD story, actually.

At the time, they were unfamiliar with the idea of gods(lacking any themselves), and assumed that this "Slaanesh" they were talking about was the force's leader.

It was also their first time facing possession after some of the Kroot ate Daemonflesh.

Of course it was their first time dealing with possession, since Tau have no psykers, and barely register in the warp, nothing short of direct contact (i.e. eating daemons) would have much of an effect on them...

When the Tau first discovered Chaos, they decided to do some research, and, unaware of the eye, thinking that daemons could only be summoned by psykers, decided it wasn't a threat (R.I.P. Tau).

**Melissia**

Actually it's more like the daemons just don't have any interest i the Tau, rather than the daemons not being able to effect them. Much like their position compared to the rest of the galaxy, Tau souls are the little fish compared to the souls of other creatures.

**im2randomghgh**

Kommissar Kel wrote:not sure, didn't read the whole thread but: Did anyone point out the reality of the story?

Yes the GK mercilessly slaughtered the innocent Sisters... because they basically had to. They mixed the blood of said sisters with anointing oils and unguents as they needed the blood of "Pure and innocent" peoples to banish the daemons, it was not "for fun"; but rather out of grim(-dark?) necessity.

the concept has actually been around in many religions throughout human history; in order to appease the god(s) or banish the evil the blood of an innocent must be used(many times the full sacrifice of the innocents life, but sometimes just a small amount of blood is needed).

Yes, but before this dex, GK didn't need anything to help them remain pure, now we know they CAN be corrupted, they just haven't been yet. And human rarely dictate rubbing the blood of said sacrifice all over your body.

**Sille**

The tau usally kills off humans even when they join em, short example is a planet can be like 70% humans and 30% tau after 2 generations something there is sudenly just maybe 15% humans and the 85% tau couse of strict breedinglaws and enforcing, the human planets who has fallen to the tau has always had a huge decline of humans on them and it hasent been couse they have fleed... tau are just as evil as evryone else, atleast the IoM is honorble and shows the truth.

**Luco**

Outbreeding and killing off are a little different, at least the humans get to live instead of being slaughtered en mass.

**Asherian Command**

im2randomghgh wrote:
Kommissar Kel wrote:not sure, didn't read the whole thread but: Did anyone point out the reality of the story?

Yes the GK mercilessly slaughtered the innocent Sisters... because they basically had to. They mixed the blood of said sisters with anointing oils and unguents as they needed the blood of "Pure and innocent" peoples to banish the daemons, it was not "for fun"; but rather out of grim(-dark?) necessity.

the concept has actually been around in many religions throughout human history; in order to appease the god(s) or banish the evil the blood of an innocent must be used(many times the full sacrifice of the innocents life, but sometimes just a small amount of blood is needed).

Yes, but before this dex, GK didn't need anything to help them remain pure, now we know they CAN be corrupted, they just haven't been yet. And human rarely dictate rubbing the blood of said sacrifice all over your body.

Grey knights cannot be corrupted.

**asimo77**

If they were so uncorruptible then why would they need all that blood?

**BaronIveagh**

I havnt't read the most recent Tau codex fluff, but IIRC the only Tau + Genocide was the non-canon ending of Soulstorm.

@Sillie: I've never heard that one before, what source?

Watch: the Next Codex: Tau, they'll rule Half Ultima Segmentum and be trotting Slaanesh around on a leash. If Matt Ward writes it, that is....

**Asherian Command**

asimo77 wrote:If they were so uncorruptible then why would they need all that blood?

Because blood is sacred. blood is everything.

**BaronIveagh**

Asherian Command wrote:
asimo77 wrote:If they were so uncorruptible then why would they need all that blood?

Because blood is sacred. blood is everything.

THE BLOOD IS THE LIFE!

**Ascalam**

yes, mister Renfield, that's right.. now back to your nice padded room

**im2randomghgh**

Asherian Command wrote:
im2randomghgh wrote:
Kommissar Kel wrote:not sure, didn't read the whole thread but: Did anyone point out the reality of the story?

Yes the GK mercilessly slaughtered the innocent Sisters... because they basically had to. They mixed the blood of said sisters with anointing oils and unguents as they needed the blood of "Pure and innocent" peoples to banish the daemons, it was not "for fun"; but rather out of grim(-dark?) necessity.

the concept has actually been around in many religions throughout human history; in order to appease the god(s) or banish the evil the blood of an innocent must be used(many times the full sacrifice of the innocents life, but sometimes just a small amount of blood is needed).

Yes, but before this dex, GK didn't need anything to help them remain pure, now we know they CAN be corrupted, they just haven't been yet. And human rarely dictate rubbing the blood of said sacrifice all over your body.

Grey knights cannot be corrupted.

Yes they can, the way the bloodtide is phrased, it basically spells out "if they forgot their blood of the innocent at home, they're screwed."

Also, in the Omnibus, Alaric is very nearly corrupted when a collar of Khorne is placed on him, since he is no longer able to shield himself with his psyker powers. He becomes just as corruptible as any other Astartes (still not easily corrupted mind you). He very nearly fell, since without his powers, his prayers were just words, inspirational, uplifting words, but words never the less.

**Melissia**

Luco wrote:Outbreeding and killing off are a little different, at least the humans get to live instead of being slaughtered en mass.

Forced sterilization is still genocide.

**Ascalam**

Just slower genocide

The humans get to live out their lives, but then die out.

Eugenics.

**ghargatuloth**

When life gives you lemons BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!! Plus this proves that Chaos will win in the end.

**BaronIveagh**

Again, where is this forced sterilization program fluff from? And doesn't that directly conflict with the Tau having set up Human colonies for the Gue'vesa Auxiliaries?

**AlmightyWalrus**

ghargatuloth wrote:When life gives you lemons BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!! Plus this proves that Chaos will win in the end.

Did you miss the part where the Grey Knights banished everything?