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drbored wrote:
Again.

Unless they are *phasing out named characters*.

When was the last time a Named Character was created...? Dark Eldar Codex of 5th edition?

I have a strange feeling that moving forward we're not going to see new named characters in any further Codices... in favor of plastic generic characters you can customize and call whatever you want.

5th edition had several (Grey Knights had characters for instance), but not all got models, and then in 6th and 7th those without models have slowly been removed.

There's no way there's a Chaos Codex in the next 6 months, it'd completely invalidate this book. So i think this is what we're going to get and that from here on out this is it.

I can't see them phasing out named characters.

Then again Codex: Harlequins exists and Adeptus Mechanicus are getting a Codex in a fortnight, so what the hell do I know?

 Lobukia wrote:
So besides Belakor, Cypher, and all the starter specials?

Cypher's existed since 2nd edition. Be'lakor cropped up in 6th ed. Warhammer and was imported across to 40k.

Also, with regards to the phasing out SCs that don't have a model?

Warhammer Armies: Dark Elves would like a word. They've still got 2 characters who have never have official models. It's really haphazard as to what they keep and what they drop.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:
So besides Belakor, Cypher, and all the starter specials?

Cypher's existed since 2nd edition. Be'lakor cropped up in 6th ed. Warhammer and was imported across to 40k.

Also, with regards to the phasing out SCs that don't have a model?

Warhammer Armies: Dark Elves would like a word. They've still got 2 characters who have never have official models. It's really haphazard as to what they keep and what they drop.

But those characters die in the end times, so they have basically been phased out.

Yeah. Actually, I'll correct myself, yes there are the characters that are in the starter sets (that don't have rules in their respective Codices I'll point out, and are certainly generic enough to use as whatever in their appropriate Codices), but the last character to get a model was Nork Deddog, and he was part of the Ogryn box.

The Harlequin HQ's are all pretty 'faceless' (hah) and the latest Dark Eldar book saw a significant drop in special characters that didn't have models.

I wouldn't be surprised if the new Admech Codex didn't have any named characters at all... I could be wrong, but it'll be telling one way or the other.

I dunno maybe the rumours in regard to Finecast are true.

What about skarr bloodwrath?

 adamsouza wrote:

changemod wrote:
They also tripled the mass of the Bloodthirster kit, to be fair.

Does anyone have a size comparison pic between the old and new ?

Thanks for the pic. Do you happen to know who makes that mammoth sized model on the far right ?

 adamsouza wrote:
Thanks for the pic. Do you happen to know who makes that mammoth sized model on the far right ?

Forge World.

Both for the Bloodthirster and what is behind it. (That would be a Toad Dragon.)

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I can't see them phasing out named characters.

Then again Codex: Harlequins exists and Adeptus Mechanicus are getting a Codex in a fortnight, so what the hell do I know?

I don't think they're doing away with special characters, I just they're still trying to figure out the best way to produce them in a post-finecast world. With FW coming under the GW webstore, pushing a greater accessibility and familiarity with resin that even if GW proper designs and sculpts special characters that FW's casting capabilities are utilized to produce them. GW I think has learned from FW by realizing it can appeal to veteran players to hit premium price points... I hope GW can follow how FW has approached its Horus Heresy character series and thus produce special characters in that higher quality semi-game/semi-display format.

Huh I actually prefer the GW Bloodthirster to the FW one.
Not very often that happens.

Interesting, the new Bloodthirster, if modelled with the flame thing to stand on, os the same height and roughly the same footprint as Anggrath, despite much narrower shoulders.

That's nice. No reason to waste money on a big resin Bloodthirster for apocalypse games then. Just make it clear which one is playing counts as if there's more than one on the table.

Its hard to tell in that pic, but the FW bloodthirster is still much much bigger than GW's. Around 30% taller and twice as wide with wings around twice as big.

Old school baby-bloodthirster is toaty in these days of strong/faster/bigger/we can remake him, make him LOLHEWGE.

xera32 wrote:
Its hard to tell in that pic, but the FW bloodthirster is still much much bigger than GW's. Around 30% taller and twice as wide with wings around twice as big.

Remember that wings, tails, banners and weapons don't count for LOS purposes.

Bearing that in mind, the difference is pretty minor. Yeah, he's Hulked out in comparison... But so long as the new Bloodthirster is on his bit of height bumping flame terrain, they appear to be exactly as tall.

I plan to use my An'ggrath as a normal thirster now since he has been elevated to never field due to demon lord rule.

I think GW has something against Greater Daemons ever getting behind LOS blocking terrain smaller than a mountain.

I plan on digging out my 1st Ed Blood Thirster - I will be able to advance behind a Rhino without being seen!!

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Though there is a Chapter of Marines who keeps 2 Chapter Masters (though which one it is escapes me right now).

White Consuls (I read about it in the Word Bearer books, don't know if that's the only time it's mentioned).

Hmm, I wonder how the wings of the FW Bloodthirster would look on GW's new model...

drbored wrote:
When was the last time a Named Character was created...? Dark Eldar Codex of 5th edition?

Murderfang in the current Codex Space Wolves.

 Ghaz wrote:

drbored wrote:
When was the last time a Named Character was created...? Dark Eldar Codex of 5th edition?

Murderfang in the current Codex Space Wolves.

Space Wolves, Blood Angels, Orks, and Tyranids all got new named characters with models in recent campaign books.

1 Relic per character sads me, taking the sword or any of the axes on the DP would leave you without Eternal Warrior which is a must against so many MC and Force Weapons out there

On the rest of the units and rules, there is no surprise never thought even for a minute that there would be new model costs/stats only rules on how CD and CSM units interact (DI to fearless)

The lack of a good close combat weapon for a jugger lord saddens me, probably the best option will be an Axe of Khorne which is only 5 points less than the AoBF and it isn't nearly as good.

 Baragash wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Though there is a Chapter of Marines who keeps 2 Chapter Masters (though which one it is escapes me right now).

White Consuls (I read about it in the Word Bearer books, don't know if that's the only time it's mentioned).

Thanks! Couldn't remember their name.

I think the treatment of named characters of late is just part of the current editions trend.
Most new codexes has seen a downscaling in epic rules and power house units.
One might suspect GW figured they could make more money and at the same time evolve the game by focusing on a flood of new fromations and campaigns instead of making epic/silly power dexes.
Named characters are therefore hopelessly unhip right now.

Give it a year or two, and were back in 5th edition epic deathstar mayham.

Kharn is actually one of the most devout worshippers of Khorne in the entire galaxy. There's a BL story from his perspective where he's killing Slaanesh worshippers and it's VERY clear he worships Khorne like crazy. Even his act of "betrayal" he sees as true Khorne worship in its truest form.

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_Wrath_of_Kharn

Also, he no longer just rolls with only World Eaters. He rolls with anyone willing to kill in the name of Khorne as long as it means killing more stuff (including those he's rolling with).

I am a little saddend by the lak of MoK on termies. Is anyone else missing it?

I dunno. To me, Kharngate just seems like the designated point of internet outrage for this codex. His exclusion might have been a genuine beef in 5th edition, but in 7th edition...not so much IMO.

Personally, I like a lot of what I've read about this codex and think that I'll explore it someday as a way to use some of my 30K World Eaters minis (once they're completed) in 40K. Could be two armies for the price of 1.5.