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jabbakahut wrote:

Masaioh wrote:

jabbakahut wrote:So many people think Warhound merely because that is what they want. I don't know how many parts are in the baneblade kit (GW not FW), but the Warhound has 150 pieces. The detail lost in converting this into a plastic kit with only 50 pieces would be horrible.

50 pieces? A titan would be more like 500 pieces.

So it would have 4 times the FW one?!

The GW baneblade has a lot more bits than the FW one, I know ive built both. For example the turret is almost one piece from FW. You can cast much bigger bits in resin than you can on plastic. So a titan in 100's of bits i feel is very likely!

As for terrain some time ago they were experimenting with injection foam buildings.... prepainted... Never went anywhere, but they could dust that back off... (Doubt it)

Druidic wrote:As for terrain some time ago they were experimenting with injection foam buildings.... prepainted...

Blech. GW should stay well away from prepainted (as I am sure they already realize).

If it wasn't for the whole prepainted factor, I am certain that AT-43 would have had a stronger following than they enjoy now. That, and its just an excuse to charge more for already fairly pricey models.

I know GW has some unreleased cities of death designs which a bit more generic in aesthetic. Astute observation of the cities of death book will show that they had made several wall sections that were considerably different than what they have produced for mass market consumption. There were even several ebay auctions where people were selling these unreleased sprues but were quickly taken down by the request of GW.

They could just release those sprues and dazzle the consumers with a 'new' product. Make some money on the development they have already done with those.

I'd love to see some more generic and less skull-o-rific cities of death terrain coming out. That would be fantastic.

Da Boss wrote:I'd love to see some more generic and less skull-o-rific cities of death terrain coming out. That would be fantastic.

QFT.

Da Boss wrote:I'd love to see some more generic and less skull-o-rific cities of death terrain coming out. That would be fantastic.

Pegasus Gothic buildings are your friend.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/core/gallery-search.jsp?dq=pegasus

yep me and KK know all about the Pegasus buildings

With this Planetfall suppliment, you can bet that there will be More.

A warhound wouldn't be out of the question, seeing that they have the Stompa. They need to give the Eldar some love, as well as the Tau, the Necrons, and the Chaos, so you can bet that we can expect some other races titans.


The biggest issue that I have is the price.

At 95 bucks, these so called "Large scale" models are seriously lacking.
Better that they just show how to scratchbuild titans, and drop datafexs then to spend the resources to produce craptasticly overly expensively underperforming large scale plastic paper weights then to keep dropping turd on something that won't get the play.

I am not a real fan of these models, but thats just my opinion.

I would rather the effort be put into tightening up the rules sets, the codexs, and more options to the game, as well as to remove the little "One codex at a time" thing.

Grot 6 wrote:With this Planetfall suppliment, you can bet that there will be More.

A warhound wouldn't be out of the question, seeing that they have the Stompa. They need to give the Eldar some love, as well as the Tau, the Necrons, and the Chaos, so you can bet that we can expect some other races titans.


The biggest issue that I have is the price.

At 95 bucks, these so called "Large scale" models are seriously lacking.
Better that they just show how to scratchbuild titans, and drop datafexs then to spend the resources to produce craptasticly overly expensively underperforming large scale plastic paper weights then to keep dropping turd on something that won't get the play.

I am not a real fan of these models, but thats just my opinion.

I would rather the effort be put into tightening up the rules sets, the codexs, and more options to the game, as well as to remove the little "One codex at a time" thing.

Price isn't the problem for me, it's the fact that they aren't made of plastic. When I first tried to build a metal model, I left the glue to dry overnight for one piece and it fell off when i picked it up not next morning, but next afternoon. I don't want to imagine how bad resin would be after what I've been hearing on this board. If I wasn't worried about that, I'd have gotten a warhound (among other things from FW) ages ago.

I would kill for a plastic Thunderbolt.

Grot 6 wrote:
I would rather the effort be put into tightening up the rules sets, the codexs, and more options to the game, as well as to remove the little "One codex at a time" thing.

How does the modelling department creating superheavies affect the rules development guys?
I would imagine that they already had the Rules guys working on something while the minis guys were working on the superheavies.
Besides, the rules dept seems kinda thin for a while now, so maybe they put a couple of the minis guys to work on superheavies while the 3-4 rule guys attempted to get some rules out. All pure speculation, but I am sure that the model and rules teams can be independently tasked.

I will bank on Brimstone's prediction.
After that, I bet Thunderhawk. Maybe the Chaos Droppod, but they don't have them in the codex, do they?

I'm going to guess for:
- Ork Stompa options kit
- Eldar Scorpion (which allows for Cobra and other variants)
- Imperial Warhound (once FW sales start to decline a little)
- Eldar Revenant
- Marine Thunderhawk (~6th Ed)
- Tau superheavy grav tank
roughly in the above order.

Apoc is selling well, so I think Eldar Scorpion is sooner, rather than later.

Hellfury wrote:.....I still maintain new terrain would be to everyone's benefit. It is neutral ground that doesn't step on anyone's toes as far as model updates and everyone loves to play on nice tables that do not have a high degree of redundancy of design on them when considering GW terrain.

Noooooo! Build your own terrain, get more models!

jabbakahut wrote:So many people think Warhound merely because that is what they want.

I don't know how many parts are in the baneblade kit (GW not FW), but the Warhound has 150 pieces. The detail lost in converting this into a plastic kit with only 50 pieces would be horrible.

Given that it polled tied for first with the Thunderhawk on BoLS, of course this is the case.

Warhound could easily be converted to a mass-production Mars-based design to cut the parts count without losing any significant detail or options. It's just a really big Dreadnought, and that was just simplified to the ultimate in AoBR. If you want to go larger, look at the Defiler for comparison...

So the Warhound can be designed as:
- 2 Feet as bases with 3 upper toes & heel base (8)
- 2 Legs in 2 parts, identical, with upper and lower armor plates (8)
- Hips as 2-part assembly with an armor plate and 2 dual-piston bitz (4)
- Torso as a 4 part assembly with a beetleback armor plate (5)
- 4-part head with interior Landspeeder-style crew (5+3 crew torsos)
- 2 Shoulders as a 2-part plug-in to the Torso (4)
- 2 Jump Jets as 3-part plug-in to the Torso (6)
- 2 weapon bases as 2-parts (4)
- 2 magnetizable plug-in weapons, likely 4 parts each (8)
This isn't a difficult design, and I got it down to around 50 pieces (+ crew) with no appreciable loss of detail.

As with the Defiler, the Warhound legs don't need to articulate fully, and can be swappable left vs right, square-peg into the hips and feet for the most stable model. That saves a ton of parts and hugely increases playability. If the player is somewhat ambitious, they can recut the legs and feet to repose, without too much trouble, being plastic.

The Torso can sit on semi-domed Hips, like the Dread and Defiler, for a bit of posabilty, but probably does best with a simple swivel mount for stability

The Head and Weapons all go cylinder-mounted for strength while retaining some posability.

The biggest problem is actually the weapons, as they're fairly large and don't share many parts. But make 2 of them and tie them to the armor, and you can give Chaos one VMB & PBG, while the Imperials get TL & IC.

I doubt and sincerely hope that GW won't be doing it like that John. Kits like these are all about having a crapton of parts and whatnots.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

The biggest problem is actually the weapons, as they're fairly large and don't share many parts. But make 2 of them and tie them to the armor, and you can give Chaos one VMB & PBG, while the Imperials get TL & IC.

What?!?

As a future (hopefully!) Princeps of a plastic Imperial Waround, I demand the ability to field the Vulcan Mega-Bolter and Plasma Blastgun version!

Though seeing a box set with 4 weapon options isn't that hard to envision...

Oh look! It's retcon coming to fix things up just in time for the new plastic kit!

I don't think Chaos would need a (plastic) superheavy of their own. There are rules for a Nurgle specific Baneblade and with a little bit of imagination, you can easily design your own large demon machine for apoc with one of the Bladeblade kits.


Is anyone else pissed about the lack of options on the stompa? Sure, it has a lot of guns and stuff, but not counting the WD datasheets, there are 3 different Stompas in the 2 Apocalypse books, it would've been nice to get at least some parts for the tracotr-beam and/or a second CC weapon.

My dream list for plastic kits are...

Thunderhawk gunship (So I can buy 10 for my BAs)
Mars Patter Warhound (So I can get my Titan legion up nd running)
Something tyranid or eldar (Just so the xenos get some loving)

Space marines massively outnumber all the other armies for sales... why don't they have a plastic apocalypse kit?

I think we are quite likely to see a plastic Bloodthirster eventually followed by the other three.

I echo wishes about the Warhound, but would also not rule out a Revenant.

Finally for something new a large mecha for Tau, after experiencing Imperial Titans in the Damocles crusade and capturing one on T'ros I think the big walker concept is only a matter of time.

As much as i would love revenant eldar titan, they dont
seem to have as much variety of weapons as titan grav tanks -_- so it'll lower the possibility by alot.

i think with FW having the reaver not out that long that maybe a warhound could go plastic and let FW focus on even larger? maybe every army will get a good sized sample for apoc and planet strike. in the times of seeing multiple wave releases maybe theres a formation of apoc specific releases (stompa and stormlord as an example) that could point to a "between army" release of big juicy stuff?

BrookM wrote:I doubt and sincerely hope that GW won't be doing it like that John.

Kits like these are all about having a crapton of parts and whatnots.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see. A lot depends on what fits on the half-dozen sprues allotted for the base model. My parts breakdown was mostly illustrative, but probably not far from reality. At least one of the legs must be solid and keyed to the foot and hips just to make a stable, playable model (look at how GW used a semi-foot on the Stompa, for pity's sake). The rest is standard model kit layout and follows from the basic design of the thing. You might get a couple inserts or tack-ons for extra detail, but that woudln't greatly change the kit design or parts layout. And I'd be much happier with a kit like that if the cost stayed at the $90 price point we've seen to date.

Sure, but look at the original Baneblade - all we got was HF/HB swap for the sponsons and a single main barrel option, along with a few bitz for the commander. Not a lot when you think about it. The Bane/Doom/Hell/Storm/Shadowsword/hammer/lord has more reversible parts and a more modular main gun, but gives up the movable turret. I don't doubt that there would be bitz, but I wouldn't count on too many if the kit requires complex, large weapons.
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Alpharius wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:The biggest problem is actually the weapons, as they're fairly large and don't share many parts. But make 2 of them and tie them to the armor, and you can give Chaos one VMB & PBG, while the Imperials get TL & IC.

As a future (hopefully!) Princeps of a plastic Imperial Waround, I demand the ability to field the Vulcan Mega-Bolter and Plasma Blastgun version!

Though seeing a box set with 4 weapon options isn't that hard to envision...

No problem. Just buy the Chaos weapon sprue for however much it costs, just like GW sells extra Sponsons.

The problem with including all 4 weapons is that it kills demand for a second release as a separate Chaos Warhound. Potentially, it could be 3 weapons, overlapping the PBG and TL, so the Imperials get TL, PBG, & IC vs Chaos TL, PBG, & VMB. Or overlap the PBG & VMB so the Imperials get the TL and Chaos gets the IC?
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Waaagh_Gonads wrote:Space marines massively outnumber all the other armies for sales... why don't they have a plastic apocalypse kit?

I think you answered your own question.

SM massively outnumber the others, so they don't need an Apoc kit to drive sales. Plus, they can piggyback off the Imperials. And really, what could be better for GW than having each SM player start an IG army???

JohnHwangDD wrote:

SM massively outnumber the others, so they don't need an Apoc kit to drive sales. Plus, they can piggyback off the Imperials. And really, what could be better for GW than having each SM player start an IG army???

This is a good point. SM just need to ally with IG when it comes to Super Heavy Vehicles. While I have no desire to start an Imperial Guard army, I would like to get a Baneblade in order to have it allied with my Salamanders for Apocalyptic Battles.

I suppose the releases will be driven by whatever codex
is due for release.
I'd like to see them filling gaps in armies and also
using plastic to replace too expensive metal figures like the
following:
1)Replace all metal necron units with plastic.It is way too
high in price to buy the likes of 10 man unit of pariahs for
instance.
2)Same with Sisters of battle.
3)A new marine tank that isn't a land raider variant!
4)I've said it before but I'd like to see a totally redone
Sm tactical squad in new poses.

Indeed, re Space Marines in Apocalypse.

Their strength lies in the formations and oodles of Tactical Assests each comes with.

I tend to view Space Marines, IG, Titan Legions and the Navy as a single entity for Apocalypse, much more of a Crusade style force, than allied ones.

I'm betting a thunderhawk before any thunderbolts or titans. I think GW will try to eventually do a superheavy for each race or until they reach a point of diminishing returns and can't turn a profit on them. Thunderhawks are the most likely thing, since SM are the most popular and suffer in apocalypse. I think a Nid super heavy would blow people away and stands a good chance of being the next thing. With the Tyranid and Eldar super heavies the generally lower mass of their titans I think make those more appealing as kits from GW's side than the Eldar super heavy grav tanks.

Necrons, Tau, and Dark eldar I think are low man on the totem pole for larger kits. With the Inquisition factions only benefiting from the SM and IG drippings.

I also think the tyranid things will probably be done in conjunction with whenever they get their codex redone. Looking at the fantasy line it becomes very clear some of the leaps in ability GW has made with plastics. More than any other army Tyranids benefit from the ability to produce these large organic designs. The carnifex spent the last three editions getting larger and larger as they tried to full fill the tyranid's requirement for something in a tank role. I bet in their next codex, carnifexes will be nerfed and something larger like an Exocrine or one of the classically tank sized creatures will be done, maybe with variants. I see this as a very strong likely hood.

I think Dark Eldar stand to benefit the most from the technology, with their ground up redo. New raider, new bikes, but that they won't see a super heavy.

I guess for 'Nids a Hyrodule would make sense, since he comes in different versions, unlike the Trygon.

It seems farfetched, but if they do update the DE codex, we'll probably finally see same new plastic kits for them.

aka_mythos wrote:I'm betting a thunderhawk before any thunderbolts or titans.

I think GW will try to eventually do a superheavy for each race or until they reach a point of diminishing returns and can't turn a profit on them.

With the Tyranid and Eldar super heavies the generally lower mass of their titans I think make those more appealing as kits from GW's side than the Eldar super heavy grav tanks.

I bet in their next codex, carnifexes will be nerfed and something larger like an Exocrine or one of the classically tank sized creatures will be done, maybe with variants.

I think Dark Eldar stand to benefit the most from the technology, with their ground up redo. New raider, new bikes, but that they won't see a super heavy.

I generally agree with all of the above.

Thunderhawk will definitely appear before Thunderbolts, but I think the Warhound is very likely due to the equally broad demand and interest.

I agree that all races will (eventually) receive Superheavies / Biotitans as long as Apoc keeps moving along.

I don't think that the Revenant is especially more attractive than the Scorpion because it is limited in variants, whereas a Scorpion can do a lot of things with Turret and Weapon swaps. GW can get more mileage out of the Scorpion chassis.

The Nid biotitans will be awesome. And I expect to see a plastic Hive Tyrant as well. With optional wings. This will make up for the heavy nerfage that the Carnifex will receive. (like the WL nerf, a Carnifex nerf is a given at this point). But please, *please* let GW refine the sculpts away from the "face in the pillow" monster. Make the Heirodule look cool and scary, rather than slow and lumpy.

Dark Eldar will need to prove themselves with sales before they get a Superheavy. Just like the Orks. Ork sales were awesome, so they got their Stompa.