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I've put all the current rumors for the thread in the first post. I'll update it as more comes in that way it's easy to find.

chaplaingrabthar wrote:I just want a new Ulrik the Slayer model. If it's October, when willwe see new SW models? End of August?

September most likely.

reds8n wrote:

gorgon wrote:

reds8n wrote:

gorgon wrote:I would have thought it to be some kind of totemic thing. Although there must be something different about the mechanic if it's such a good new idea.

Indeed.

I am sure when the full story comes out people will be happier.

Or not.. this is Dakka after all.

Sure, given the many similar sagas we've seen on Dakka, is that what you're saying?

I've always thought you'd go far.

You've always risen to the challenge so far. So much to gain from doing so.

I guess it depends on how quickly requirements are met... Perhaps?

Has anyone poste this yet?
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2009/07/40k-rumors-wolftime-approaches.html

garret wrote:Has anyone poste this yet?
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2009/07/40k-rumors-wolftime-approaches.html

all of that is in the first post on here. And it was mostly taken from warseer and bolter and chainsword

Bell of Lost Souls - summarizing posts on 40k forums since 2006!

I do like that BoLS does summarize things, and sometimes even has their own info to add, but I wish they'd do a better job with their bibliography.

Special land raider wolf claws new Njal. any news on Ragnar and Ulric? *doing my happy dance*

I think these are by far the worse rumors I have heard for Space Wolves yet.

The only thing I find good about them is the AC Raider. A SC riding a mech wolf? Sagas? Nothing but crap imo.

A bit off-topic, but it may sooth the nay-sayers about an October release date. Don't forget that BL has the Spess Puppies' Second Omnibus coming out in October.

Manchu wrote: A bit off-topic, but it may sooth the nay-sayers about an October release date. Don't forget that BL has the Spess Puppies' Second Omnibus coming out in October.

Plus there's the SW audio book Thunder from Fenris by Nick Kyme that is to be released at GD UK. Pitting the Wolves against a plague zombie outbreak!

Anybody seen these?

http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk/index.php?act=cat&cre=min-40k-ssw

64mas wrote:Anybody seen these?

http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk/index.php?act=cat&cre=min-40k-ssw

you mean the SW box sets that have been out for what, a good 9-10 years now?

First up, the rumors are unvieling at an outstanding rate, it getting hard to keep up!

Shadowphrakt at WS confirmed that he was completely duped with the previous batch of SW rumors. So the no TH/SS rumor was totally false! Forget every SW rumor before these because these SW rumors are the real deal.


The comfirmation of these rumors come from Brimstone, Harry and Hastings on Warseer. That's as reliable as it gets in the world of GW rumors.

Here is the current round up of rumors that we have so far. I will keep this post updted as new info becomes available. New info will be in this color

The Space Wolf codex has an October release date.

LC's are called Wolf Claws in the new codex, you can choose to either re-roll to hit or to wound.

Canis Wolfborn is the new SW SC; He's riding a very big wolf in a not so weird way as that sounds. Let just say those bloodcrushers look like grots!!! Also Canis is power armoured and has 2 wolf claws. The wolf has some cybernetic bits on it.

IIRC taking Canis also allows you to take two cav choices, 1 can be SW mounted on wolves, the other is just wolves.

Njal Stormcaller returns to the Codex with a new model, holding a gnarled staff out before him.

Bjorn the Fellhanded returns to the codex.

All special characters have been resculpted.

Wolf Scouts will remain the same and they also have the option be mounted in a Land Speeder Storm

There will be 2 main plastic kits, however 1 of them can be used to make pretty much every SW troop choice by combining the oooodles of spares on the sprues with normal vanilla marines kits (e.g. a box of devastators plus the extra from the sprues will make your Longfangs. IIRC there are around 30+ heads on the sprue!!! there may also be a special vehicle, but I'm not sure if it's a complete kit or if there will be an upgrade sprue to add to the existing kit.

There's also a funky new way of kitting out your characters called Sagas, it is similar to the Vampiric Powers used by WFB VC, but IMO much more fitting for SW, and very fluffy, in fact it is IMO one of the best ideas GW have had in ages. You choose "sagas" for your characters, perhaps someone with Saga of the monster killer (I made that name up by the way) may be better at killing monsters (high strength things) in some way, although there could be drawbacks to this as he may need to kill so many of such things per game to continue his saga......

Space Wolves gain access to an Assault Cannon Land Raider variant.

The current options for jump packs are going to change. BTW Jump Pack marines are called "Skyriders" in SW Codex.

Plastic Wolfguard Terminators; they are ambidextrous, ie they will have right and left handed weapons options like Stormbolters.

Are you going to repost the same every page?

BrookM wrote:Are you going to repost the same every page?

So long as it's updated, no problems. You going to moan every time?

UltraPrime wrote:

BrookM wrote:Are you going to repost the same every page?

So long as it's updated, no problems. You going to moan every time?

Not unless it pleases me in every way possible known to man or woman.

BrookM wrote:Are you going to repost the same every page?

Only when I update the first post. It's just easier that way.

This was posted in Spanish on BoLS, I'm trying to get this confirmed.

All the army will maintain the rule of countercharge and all but Bloodclaws will get the rule of shooting one-handed "but with something more special."

At first it seemed that they wanted to give full equipment like they did with other Codex (Bolter, Bolt Pistol and Close combat weapon) but at the end it seemed that they might opted because "any miniature with this rule, equipped with a bolter (disregarding Plasma rifles) could Rapid-fire and assault the same turno. So a big no.

Bloodclaws go with Weapons Skill 4 (it seems they keep Ballistic Skill at 3) and change their actual rule for furious charge.

Long fangs might seem pretty good. According to recent comments GW does not sell well nor devastorts nor Long fangs, so it seems logical thaty they would boost them incredibly. In addition of keeping their actual rule (able to divide fire into two units) the leader of the pack will give them, as well, the rule of stubborn. Of all the rumors available this is the one that I believe less

Wolf Guard will also be boosted greatly, but we only have at the moment one page with equipment configurations.

What was commented about a Bjorn of multiple 14 armor values (it is yet unknown if all of its armor will be as this, but the front side, count on it).

It seems that Ragnar will be someone to regard with care. In addition to his neat profile, his inclusion in an army will give it fleet and the unit in which he is joined will be granted with Rending claws and one extra attack. Considering the dates certainly the Codex will be released in October, it will be presented in the English Games Day, which will be available by that time.

Could we get someone who speaks Spanish to check the translation? BoLS

Yeah, it's like being kid at Christmas and it coming early this year!

Boogle at WS summed up the Spanish rumors

From the above I gather:

- All SW except Blood Claws seem to have True Grit as standard (as long as they carry Bolters), and can assault after shooting bolters.

- Blood Claws are WS4 and BS3, the lose the berserker charge and pick up Furious charge.

- Something about Long Fangs being better than they are currently, retaining Split Fire, but also allowing Relentless (Implacables)

- Still unknown if Bjorn is just 14 on his front armour or 14 all round

- Ragnar seems to offer +1A to the unit he joins on the charge

- October release date

All sounds very intriguing. If only DA had received the same kind of thought and attention (yes, I know DA whinges are getting tired, but still... )

EDIT - More fleet of foot Space Marines? Sigh!

Good gravy Batman! If half this stuff is true, I expect a lot of Space Wolves at Adepticon in April.

Fire bolters and charge? Wow.
Longfangs with Relentless? Wow.

My guess is Ragnar will be as popular with Space Wolves as Vulkan is with Space Marines (hurr!).

So this is the Hero Hammer that people are fearing?

Those rumors are getting me psyched, I might go out and start buying stuff for conversions now.

Although I'm still slightly on the fence about Bjorn. AV 14 on the front is still incredible for a dreadnought, but I don't know if I'd still run him over all other options if he didn't have AV 14 all around. There are some pretty mobile multi-meltas these days. Some speeder could swing around behind him and give him a pink slip. I expect him to take an HQ slot as well. Given some of the other options he might not be the most impressive out of even the top three.

BrookM wrote:So this is the Hero Hammer that people are fearing?

Some armies are just hero hammery.

They will all be pretty crazy good, but there won't be more than forty to fifty of these guys on the table at the most in any one game (2000 points).

Wow this makes me a happy camper as Space wolves were my first army!! Now I think I know what my true scale army will be!!!

i just hope with the wolf claws you have to choose before rolling to hit whether you're rerolling hits or wounds .... its just seems cheat'y if you can wait to see you rolled 6 1s to call which you are rerolling ... and i would prob not play anyone with spezz puppies with such a dumb cheat wargear lols ...

I have been playing wolves since rogue trader. These sound good it sounds like that did alot work in making them stand out. Hope these are true though. Keep up the good work guys and thanks for the inside skinny on things.

kill dem stunties wrote:i just hope with the wolf claws you have to choose before rolling to hit whether you're rerolling hits or wounds .... its just seems cheat'y if you can wait to see you rolled 6 1s to call which you are rerolling ... and i would prob not play anyone with spezz puppies with such a dumb cheat wargear lols ...

Knowing GW, it's probably after you see the rolls.

Hmmm looks to me to be a return to good old fashion Space Wolves.

I will be having a army of these indeed. But ive heard a silly little old rumour that they will be exempt from having Thunderhammers is it just me or am I going barmy.?

BOSS_PIMPALOTZ wrote:Hmmm looks to me to be a return to good old fashion Space Wolves.

I will be having a army of these indeed. But ive heard a silly little old rumour that they will be exempt from having Thunderhammers is it just me or am I going barmy.?

Those old rumors have been debunked! So the only real rumors are the ones presented from this point on.

I'm intrigued but withholding my enthusiasm until I see what all these additions actually cost. One of the current issues with Space Wolves is their points cost and I don't expect all of these goodies to come cheap.
I like the direction some of these changes seem to be going in though.

Blood Claws at WS4 BS3 with Furious Charge is good, wonder if they keep their rule that they have to charge at units within 6" if not led by a character. GW design might see that as enough of a weakness to mitigate point costs, but they shouldn't. Units with Furious Charge should be assaulting after all.

Not sure about trying to find away to keep a true grit like rule for the wolves, probably just to cynical to believe that GW can write it in any way that will avoid large amounts of confusion.

With no ability to buy additional squad members Long Fangs are less survivable than regular devastators, and stubborn won't really address that.

Wolf cavalry or wolf units are intriguing, but without new wolf models it's a problem. GW's current wolves are terrible and there aren't many manufacturers that I'm aware of producing wolves at a scale that wouldn't look ridiculous alongside Space Wolves.

BDJV wrote:Long fangs might seem pretty good. According to recent comments GW does not sell well nor devastorts nor Long fangs, so it seems logical thaty they would boost them incredibly. In addition of keeping their actual rule (able to divide fire into two units) the leader of the pack will give them, as well, the rule of stubborn. Of all the rumors available this is the one that I believe less

dietrich wrote:Longfangs with Relentless? Wow.

Grimhowl wrote:With no ability to buy additional squad members Long Fangs are less survivable than regular devastators, and stubborn won't really address that.

Lets talk Longfangs for a second here. Because I need to know a few thinks and ask a few questions of them.

Did Longfangs in the previous codex take a Heavy slot? What squad sizes could they be taken in only? Is it fives or sixes, or something similar? How many points does a Plasma Cannon or Lascannon cost to give to a Longfang in the old codex?

I have a feeling the Longfangs might get the treatment SMs got. You can add another man to the squad but you buy a base package first. It would make sense that way. But if for some reason there is a fluff concern I'm not taking into account they probably won't let them be taken in squad sizes outside of that number. Relentless for a heavy weapon touting team will be very good regardless. And if they are really trying to boost sales of Devastator kits the rules could mean something ridiculous like this.

Also, Devastator kits come with the bits to make 4 ofs of all the different loadouts a Dev squad can take right?

Edit: I also just thought of something. If one could get a squad layout like this:
5x Longfangs, 2x Plasma Cannon, 1x Lascannon (with Squad Leader that can split fire)
It would be incredibly effective in this environments metagame. The Plasma cannons can take care of hordes firing together to hit larger squads to get maximum effect or firing on squads that have been stranded from their transports. The Lascannon can be fired at any kind of AV 14 thing on the table, or barring that just try to strand squads from their transports to line up more Plasma Cannon fire. Also Tyranids would have to really fear a couple of squads like this, the Lascannon firing on the TMCs while the Plasma Cannons fire on the assault squads, like genestealers.