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In the current (old 3rd edition) codex, long fangs are 4 marines and a sergeant, and can take 4 heavy weapons. They have acute senses and split fire as long as the 36 pt sarge is alive. They cannot add more men to the squad, weapons cost were similar to codex marines at the time, and they did cost a heavy slot.

For a few more points you could get a 4x heavy bolter Russ Exterminator with BS 4. So they tended to appear more if you needed lascannons. 13 company LF could trade heavy weapons for meltas and plasmaguns.


Anyway, it sounds like the list will be close to what I predicted earlier, with the exception of losing the Russ.

Durandal wrote:In the current (old 3rd edition) codex, long fangs are 4 marines and a sergeant, and can take 4 heavy weapons. They have acute senses and split fire as long as the 36 pt sarge is alive. They cannot add more men to the squad, weapons cost were similar to codex marines at the time, and they did cost a heavy slot.

Does the sergeant carry the heavy weapon that splits fire or does he simply have to be alive to have any different number of Longfangs split fire in any combo. Like a Plas Cannon, Lascannon, HB, and Multimelta. Sergeant carries one and can split the fire between two targets in any combo?

But still I can see 4x Longfangs, Sergeant w/ Lascannon, 2x Plasma Cannon could be a pretty prevelant combo. Take two squads of those and the new Assault Cannon Land Raider along with Bjorn that's going to be very tough to deal with for both hordes and mech lists.

According to Hoarmurel on Warseer "The spanish rumours from BoLS comes from my gameclub-hobbystore forum. There I posted rumours that i get from ANOTHER spanish forum, In that forum the rumours were presented as a rumour summary from Warseer... "

Which were taken from the now proven to be false rumors posted by Shadowphrakt.

So disregard the Spanish rumors!

BDJV wrote:According to Hoarmurel on Warseer "The spanish rumours from BoLS comes from my gameclub-hobbystore forum. There I posted rumours that i get from ANOTHER spanish forum, In that forum the rumours were presented as a rumour summary from Warseer... "

Which were taken from the now proven to be false rumors posted by Shadowphrakt.

So disregard the Spanish rumors!

lol

Typeline wrote:
Does the sergeant carry the heavy weapon that splits fire or does he simply have to be alive to have any different number of Longfangs split fire in any combo. Like a Plas Cannon, Lascannon, HB, and Multimelta. Sergeant carries one and can split the fire between two targets in any combo?

But still I can see 4x Longfangs, Sergeant w/ Lascannon, 2x Plasma Cannon could be a pretty prevelant combo. Take two squads of those and the new Assault Cannon Land Raider along with Bjorn that's going to be very tough to deal with for both hordes and mech lists.

They are not Tau suits, the sarge does not carry a heavy weapon. He directs the fire of the other four. You wouldn't be able to fit two LRs and two LFS without some extra heavy support slots or take the LRs as dedicated transports. Besides Space Wolves have always preferred the 12' zone. I suspect you would be better off with some Ultras with the play-style you describe.

Maybe GW will realize why no one fields Devs. They compete with Land Raiders for heavy support.

The fix? Longfangs become elites, or through taking a special character can occupy an elite slot. Sound like it could happen?

To quote something to encompasses everything concerning 40K codex releases:
"but with something more special."

All this sounds pretty sucky to me. Nothing to please the players who missed out on options by being tarred with the same brush (DA, Chaos) and including the parts that broke WHFB (VC, DoC), but hey sales are up

The saga thing for Wolf Lords sounds awesome.

Pity our 10,000 year old Horus Heresy veteran Chaos Lords and Sorcerers don't get something similar. All we get to do is whether we want to Lash or whether we want to lose the game. *yawn*

[EDIT]: Oh wait... I just remembered, the saga thing sounds like an awesome concept. Just like Doctrines and Traits were awesome concepts, executed horribly. Hmm... if anything it'll be good for stealing ideas for our own rules I 'spose.

It IS fairly strange that a 300-something year old Wolf Lord is stronger than a 10,000 year old Chaos Lord.

I really miss the demonic strength upgrade. And it's a bit weird that my berzerkers charge and hit at S5 while my khorne lord is S4.

Cheese Elemental wrote:It IS fairly strange that a 300-something year old Wolf Lord is stronger than a 10,000 year old Chaos Lord.

The chosen of Chaos get feeble in their old age.

All in all I'm loving these rumors. My Wolves will finally see the table again!

"I am Hrothgar the Invincible! Favoured Warrior of the Wolf Lord Troth. Saviour of the Convent on Nenva V. Liberator of Achmer Prime. Defender of the Kilgos Reaches. Slayer of the Nine Seers or Tanhath!"
"Yeah... I feasted on the bodies of dead Whitescars whilst I waited for the rest of my troops to breach the Emperor's palace. I'm also the reason why Bjorn's in a metal sarcophogus."
"Ha! But my titles grant me WS8, S6, more attacks than you and I swing first! DIE!"
*Chaos Lord dies*

fething Jervis...

Does Jervis suffer from some kind of selective amnesia? He doesn't seem to remember when Chaos was Chaotic. Nowadays, it seems that the most 'Chaotic' it gets is a random Daemonkin table.

No, Jervis just has a massive boner for the woofs as they are his favourite army in 40k ever.

H.B.M.C. wrote:"I am Hrothgar the Invincible! Favoured Warrior of the Wolf Lord Troth. Saviour of the Convent on Nenva V. Liberator of Achmer Prime. Defender of the Kilgos Reaches. Slayer of the Nine Seers or Tanhath!"
"Yeah... I feasted on the bodies of dead Whitescars whilst I waited for the rest of my troops to breach the Emperor's palace. I'm also the reason why Bjorn's in a metal sarcophogus."
"Ha! But my titles grant me WS8, S6, more attacks than you and I swing first! DIE!"
*Chaos Lord dies*

fething Jervis...

Loving the nerd-rage

You forget that time flows differently in the Eye. That Black Legion Chaos Lord might have been a loyal Son of Horus captain 2 weeks ago in his time.

Get ready for a lot of 'counts as' Space Wolf armies!

(I know I'll probably be building one!)

H.B.M.C. wrote:The saga thing for Wolf Lords sounds awesome.

Pity our 10,000 year old Horus Heresy veteran Chaos Lords and Sorcerers don't get something similar. All we get to do is whether we want to Lash or whether we want to lose the game. *yawn*

[EDIT]: Oh wait... I just remembered, the saga thing sounds like an awesome concept. Just like Doctrines and Traits were awesome concepts, executed horribly. Hmm... if anything it'll be good for stealing ideas for our own rules I 'spose.

Yes, this sounds suspiciously like Traits Mk.2. You know, traits, the thing that everybody lost. The names might have been different ( Doctrine/Trait/Demonic Gift ) but all filled the same function. And now they are bringing the system back ( provided that rumours are accurate )?

After re-reading the thread, I noticed the special wolf-riding character got the new 'wolf claws". I'm wondering if wolf claws are a special weapon only available to him, rather than a piece of wargear that can be purchased for any hero or sergeant.

In any case, I should finish painting my army just in time to retire some of the minis made obsolete by the new rules. woot!

Space Wolves were the first army I collected back when I gamed, if some of these rumours are true it might just get me back into the gaming side of the hobby! I know I'll definatly be buying some of the new models regardless!

BrookM wrote:No, Jervis just has a massive boner for the woofs as they are his favourite army in 40k ever.

But then why does he only play grey marines (Revilers / Relictors)?

JohnHwangDD wrote:

BrookM wrote:No, Jervis just has a massive boner for the woofs as they are his favourite army in 40k ever.

But then why does he only play grey marines (Revilers / Relictors)?

Maybe he's waiting for the right moment? All I know is that in Standard Bearer and many conventions he always talks about how the woofs are his faves and how he wants to make them the ultimate good guys of the Imperium.

BrookM wrote:Maybe he's waiting for the right moment? All I know is that in Standard Bearer and many conventions he always talks about how the woofs are his faves and how he wants to make them the ultimate good guys of the Imperium.

Why is it that this comment fills me with nameless dread? ( Goes to dark corner to make offerings to Great Bthulhu, so that Jervis doesn´t feth up the SW Codex...)

A-P wrote:

BrookM wrote:Maybe he's waiting for the right moment? All I know is that in Standard Bearer and many conventions he always talks about how the woofs are his faves and how he wants to make them the ultimate good guys of the Imperium.

Why is it that this comment fills me with nameless dread? ( Goes to dark corner to make offerings to Great Bthulhu, so that Jervis doesn´t feth up the SW Codex...)

Phil is writing it for the most part IRC.

BrookM wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

BrookM wrote:No, Jervis just has a massive boner for the woofs as they are his favourite army in 40k ever.

But then why does he only play grey marines (Revilers / Relictors)?

Maybe he's waiting for the right moment? All I know is that in Standard Bearer and many conventions he always talks about how the woofs are his faves and how he wants to make them the ultimate good guys of the Imperium.

Oh, I'd forgotten about that. Yeah, he likes the SW Fluff, how they actually care about humans.

But his army is the Revilers / Relictors stuff. I think he just picks whatever codex he wants to test at the moment.

IM likin all the imperium love right know.
Screw xenos ha

BrookM wrote:Phil is writing it for the most part IRC.

That is a relief. But it is the "for the most part"-thing that still worries me.

I'm really looking forward to the new codex, I started repainting my Wolves a week or so before these rumours hit so it's given me a wee burst of incentive to finish all of them.

I'm not sold on the idea of Wolf Cav, but I guess I'll wait for the mini and background for them before I jump to any conclusions.

A-P wrote:

BrookM wrote:Phil is writing it for the most part IRC.

That is a relief. But it is the "for the most part"-thing that still worries me.

Don't worry. Robin Crudace will take care of the rest for you.

Just like he did for IG...

JohnHwangDD wrote:

A-P wrote:

BrookM wrote:Phil is writing it for the most part IRC.

That is a relief. But it is the "for the most part"-thing that still worries me.

Don't worry. Robin Crudace will take care of the rest for you.

Just like he did for IG...

Well, Phil did a great job on Planet Strike, so I've got a somewhat good feeling about this one. The sagas sound like a neat idea that adds character to your characters.