What if Earth was under Tau rule?

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**Sanchez01**

People often mistaken Socialism as Communism as Communism is a form of Socialism.

The Tau are a Socialist Government, With a ruling elite social class system. Then dividing the remaining sub-species into their permanent class, so there is no chance to do what you were not born to do.

To them Humans are Gue'la, or lowest of the Beings. Insulting name, don't you think? In Tau society I have not heard of them being nothing more then militia reserves and low class citizens.

Thinking that the Tau are more powerful then the Imperium is just wrong. The only reason the Tau are still around is because the Imperium has bigger, badder, meaner threats that need their attention. The Tau may have powerful Battle suits, formidable Hover Tanks, and impressive infantry weapons, But so did man in the past, and even with the reverse in technology, the man-power behind the weapon is still far stronger then that of the Tau.

AND quite possibly the biggest limitation to the Tau, no Psyker potential. This means no Warp Travel... Thus they are limited to their little region and their ever so slow expansion.

**1hadhq**

Empires/imperiums are always democracy-free space.
Why should mankind not purge the galaxy of those who try to exterminate or enslave them?

Threats in 40k are real threats. If the need arises to have a saviour and he demands to get rid of the threat, do you really believe
the masses refuse to follow ?

PS: its the grimdark here not star trek.

**penut the butter**

Well Hitler said something simalar did he not? Didn't he say to purge the world of jews?

Logic:
Imperium=Nazi Germany=Fascistism
High Lord of Terra=Hitler
Believers in the Imperial Truth=Nazi Followers
xenos=jews

Using this logic we can see that the imperium is very much like a Communist/Fascist government is it not?

**Orkeosaurus**

The Imperium seems to have Fascism and Imperialism as it's forms of government, with some Theocracy thrown in for good measure. It seems a lot less totalitarian than the Tau empire though. I'd probably take the Imperium over the Tau if I had a choice.

**Sanchez01**

The Imperium is a tricky subject when it come to labeling a particular Government or set of Ideals to it.

Parts of the Imperium are Feudal, Such as feudal worlds ruled by lords and tamed by peasants. Most notably are the Space Marines, which are described as having a system similar to the midevil feudal system.

Places like Necromunda is described to be a system similar to, or what I see best as, the British government and social structure of the 16th century and up. You have your nobles and their families at top, then you have your merchants and guilds, then your commoners, then your slum-livers. But even though it is a class system, it is not a socialist government.

The Imperium is an Empire, ruled by an Emperor, controlled by a panel of lords. Governors control small parts and give taxes and resources for the Empire to survive, very similar to a feudal structure.

Nazi Germany is no way like the Imperium. There is no Hitler in 40k. The Emperor is depicted as a wise man, seeking only the survival, and the assertion of mankind as rulers of the stars. Hitler's plan was to make Humanity strong by ridding it of the weak. Humans fear Xenos, and through this fear they deem Xenos inferior to support their fear. The High Lords are more of a council to keep the Imperium whole, they spout fear and hatred for xenos to keep mankind together, Hitler was not concerned with unity, but purity and his divine right.

One segment you did not mention, but must have been a part to your "Logic" must have been the Inquisition. Very similar to the Spanish Inquisition, these people fight ever so hard for what they believe is right, and to preserve the Imperium, eliminating those who threaten its existence. They may take things to the extreme, but who wouldn't. In a "Us or Them" environment, it is just that, Us or Them. What side will you chose?

Hitler was a fascist not a communist. Stalin was a Fascist/communist, though he made a real bad communist. Communist is were we are all equal, what is yours, is mine, and what is mine, is yours. And Stalin, and his elite, sure did have a hard time sharing... well the didn't so they were Heretics to their own beliefs.

**Ludovic**

What's this about people calling Obama a secret Tau? Everyone knows he's a Lord of Change...

**Che-Vito**

This thread has been filled with some of the most uneducated statements I have heard in quite some time. Between people slinging around Communism and Nazism (incorrectly for the most part), and the people who have proceeded to make statements about the Tau (which again, many have been incorrect)...it is quite ridiculous.

People, please take some time to read some history, and some 40K backround on the Tau before you come back to this discussion.

**Sanchez01**

instead of calling people idiots, why don't you correct them or offer your opposing opinion.

People are correct in their links to communism and fascist governments, even though they are not those types of governments. How is stating common links "Uneducated" when they are calling it how they see it?

**penut the butter**

Sanchez01 wrote:

Nazi Germany is no way like the Imperium. There is no Hitler in 40k. The Emperor is depicted as a wise man, seeking only the survival, and the assertion of mankind as rulers of the stars.

I thought we might hit that little snag. In my post I did not call the emperor a futuristic hitler. He was probably somthing like a Julius Caeser(a very great and wise ruler of rome). If you clearly read my post it says HIGH LORD OF TERRA=HITLER. The high lords of terra and Inquistors have become corrupt except a few in the Daemonhunters. They have so much fear about being overthrown that they cunduct Exterminatus for a little rebellion that can be stopped with a sqad of guardsmen.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Crap. I accidentally erased the end of quote switch.

**Sanchez01**

Ahh, indeed you did, I got ahead of myself. Though I wouldn't call the High Lords the Hitler of the Imperium.

Hitler got Germany out of a depression, High Lords have not done such a feat.
Hitler united a nation, and got them to back him up on his crazy ideas... High Lords have not...

I believe calling them Hitler is calling them something better then they really are. They have not accomplished anything. The Imperium is crumbling under their control. And with the Golden Throne failing, the Imperium, IMO could use a crazy Hitler to get order established.

Well now that I think of it, would you agree with me about calling Horus a Hilter-type? Great man in his own right, then gone all crazy and ruined so many lives.

**penut the butter**

Your right. Well you could probably call a high Lord of Terra one of many incompetant roman emperors(to numerous to name) or George Bush.But I agree with you calling Horus, Hitler

**Sanchez01**

Come on, lets leave Bush out of this.

**Emperors Faithful**

If the Tau came here, my 1st thought would be "Who next?". But I think I would preferably have Earth take care of its own defences than get yoked under the incompetent shackles of the Imperium. (Hey, I love the dude, not the system).

I don't trust Tau. Humans would most certainly be treatee as 2nd class citizens. Also, there was some fluff (forget where) about Tau discreetly infertilzing the humans of an allied planet, to make room for tau colonisation. If I had to make a choice, I'd want to throw my lot in with the Imperium, they are looking out for HUMANITES needs after all. I wouldn't want to be at the beck and call of an alien.

**Sanchez01**

I agree... About your fluff... at the end of Dark Crusade they say the Tau did that to the captured humans

**penut the butter**

EF. 2nd class citezen is better than no class slave.
Sorry Sanchez01. What's wrong with bring Bush into the disscussion?

**Emperors Faithful**

@Penut: ...mabye, but that's only how it would START OUT. You realize as well as I that the yoke would grow heavier.

On another general point about Tau dickery/trickery there are hints suggesting that the vespid stingwings leader...helmet things...are in fact mind controled. That with these helmets, the tau have assumed control of the leaders and therefore the entire race.

**penut the butter**

The conspiracy unleashed!

**Orkeosaurus**

If worse came to worst, you could always defect to chaos. (Like Nurgle. He seems pretty easy, just sit around and vomit on people every once in a while.)

**Sanchez01**

@penut the Buter - Don't Worry about it, I just don't like the unfair prejudice on the guy or the common use as a scapegoat.

btw, what do you mean about a no class slave? if you are "middle Class" and depending on the world you are on, you would live like we enjoy here in america and canada... or are you refering to the slum life like on necromunda? ha ha ha... I guess its location location location

**penut the butter**

Yeah but if you become a Daemonprince of Nurgle you spend eternity as a pus bag with dung for brains

**Sanchez01**

Thats why slaanesh is the answer

**Orkeosaurus**

That's the thing about the Imperium.

If you're not actively involved in the imperial government (which you usually aren't) everything is dependent on your planet.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

@Penut: Hmm maybe the fact that Bush is nothing like anything in 40k. Or the fact that pulling Bush into this is like pulling Nazis into an argument, they just don't belong.

Soon there will be a George W. Bush Jr equivalent to Godwin's Law.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitle7vljslfu?from=Main.GodwinsLaw

I'm gonna call it; "Stynier's Law" yeah its egotistical but if that dude gets his named after him I should get one named after my handle on this forum.

Stynier's Law, is basicly the Bush Jr. equivalent to Godwin's Law, and theorizes that the longer and discussion on the internet goes on, mainly about Politics or the United States. The greater the chance Bush will be brought up.

Oh and I rather be a slave in the Imperial Guard and able to have a family, than dead under Tau rule.

**Sanchez01**

Idk, but to me the Tau seem to have a sinister secret agenda, and that would scare the hell out of me. what would you guys say this agenda is?

EDIT: @ Brother Stynier... well at least under the Tau rule you will not need to by any form of birth control

**Orkeosaurus**

penut the butter wrote:Yeah but if you become a Daemonprince of Nurgle you spend eternity as a pus bag with dung for brains

Daemon prince? Nah, I'll settle for rotting husk shambling around spreading illness. I think I'd be great at serving the lord of despair; if there's one trait I have in spades, it's apathy.

**penut the butter**

Sanchez01 wrote:@penut the Buter - Don't Worry about it, I just don't like the unfair prejudice on the guy or the common use as a scapegoat.

btw, what do you mean about a no class slave? if you are "middle Class" and depending on the world you are on, you would live like we enjoy here in america and canada... or are you refering to the slum life like on necromunda? ha ha ha... I guess its location location location

I am just refering to Greek Hierachy. Slaves would have no Citezenship. IIRC from 5th grade social studies about ancient civillization, Slaves wouldn't be even considred full human beings.

**Emperors Faithful**

@Sanchez: Um...making humans infertile and replaceing us with Tau?

@Stynier: Didn't understand WTF was with the talk about Bush, but I agree with your last line.

**Sanchez01**

penut the butter wrote:
I am just refering to Greek Hierachy. Slaves would have no Citezenship. IIRC from 5th grade social studies about ancient civillization, Slaves wouldn't be even considred full human beings.

Ahh I know what you mean... I don't recall the Imperium having slaves... just servitors which were taken from the scum around and turned into brain dead slaves... i just know I would not want to live in necromunda

EDIT: @ Emperor's Faith... Lol, it was a joke... I would go Imperium all the way buddy.

**Emperors Faithful**

There would be slavery in the Imperium, but not legalised. In fact, an Inquisitor was reffered to helping an arbites take down a slavery ring. (Granted for his own purposes but still...) Honestly, I think that slavery is not something the Imperium encourages. On the other hand, you could say that the men and women working the factories are practically enslaved. Working all day for little pay, often as not.

**Orkeosaurus**

The Imperium has slaves, of quite a few different sorts. However, most of the humans under Imperial rule don't get caught up in it (although getting caught up in the slave trade of their own planet is another hazard...).