What if Earth was under Tau rule?

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**Emperors Faithful**

P.S. Read my sig. Says it all.

**Sanchez01**

The best reason of all

Imperium has Pie, Tau do not.

I believe the savery in the Imperium is not like what we think of it here... heck being a slave for a rich man is way better then living a ganger's life or that of a guardsmen if terms of having it easy and luxury.

**penut the butter**

EF. Nazis,Roman Empire,Bush all had some part in the disscussion of incompetence and the so-called "Fascistism" of the Tau

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Bye Bye Miss Imperial Pie.

**Emperors Faithful**

Ever think about the rich dudes...'demands'?

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That was @ sanchez.

**Sanchez01**

Demands? like a cuban cigar? idk what you mean.

EDIT: OOOOOOOoooooooooooo? Demands, i get it now... if SHE was a she, then I would have no problem

**Orkeosaurus**

Sanchez probably doesn't mind, we know he's cool with Slaanesh...

**penut the butter**

Yup!

**Emperors Faithful**

I would rather be a Guardsman becuase...
...where is that picture. *shuffle/rumble*

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AHA! Here we go...

**Sanchez01**

i cant see the pic man

EDIT: oh ok now it came in... lasergun huh? hmm let me look for something now

**penut the butter**

What picture!?!Where?

**Emperors Faithful**

What? You can't see it? I can see it right here...

**Orkeosaurus**

Broken link for me too.

**Sanchez01**

I had to post before I could see it... it was odd... I cant find a pic to match yours, the best I could do is this

**penut the butter**

What's the picture!?!

**Emperors Faithful**

http://lh5.ggpht.com/eomolina/R8skMCuV1UI/AAAAAAAACfg/UKQrpRhXibE/40k%20Imperial%20Guard%2001.jpg

follow the link?

**Sanchez01**

EDIT: ok

**Emperors Faithful**

It should work.

@Sanchez: I laugh at your feeble comeback, and fart in your general direction!

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@Sanchz: Oi! Don't ruin it! (Quick, edit it out!)

**Sanchez01**

You want a great reason to join the Imperial Guard then how about this?

**Emperors Faithful**

...she's just spotted you eyeing her from across the room...and she's loading her gun...I gotta say sanchez it's not looking good for ya.

**penut the butter**

MMM

**Sanchez01**

is this better?

**Emperors Faithful**

Here's another reason. (Follow the yellow link road...)

http://media.photobucket.com/image/Imperial%20Guard%2040k%20poster/interrogator_chaplain/WarhoundPoster.jpg

**Che-Vito**

Sanchez01 wrote:instead of calling people idiots, why don't you correct them or offer your opposing opinion.

If you read my post, I called nobody an idiot.

My opinion is simple: As with many things in the 40k universe, trying to compare it to our world as we know it always falls quite short. It is hard to not slap a hand to the forehead when reading, "Da Tauz are Obama's overlordz!!", or comparing our governments (past and present) to interstellar empires....

Are there shared aspects in 40k races and their ruling, and historical situations in our world? Some. But making broad generalizations about them does the 40k universe quite a bit of injustice. Much like our world, none of the governments are ideal "Communism, Facism, Athenian-Democracy, Representative Republic, etc...".

So, I will put it simply.
1) use the correct definitions of the terms you are using (not what you THINK it means...)
2) go into more depth when posting, it will require time and thought, but by breaking down individual elements with 40k races, you can establish a better picture
3) use of the above two can result in posts that sound, and appear, educated.

Sanchez01 wrote:People are correct in their links to communism and fascist governments, even though they are not those types of governments. How is stating common links "Uneducated" when they are calling it how they see it?

People using the incorrect definition are incorrect. By reading over this thread, it is quite clear that many people are going off of "what the know", as opposed to the definition of said terms. And quite frankly, many of the comparisons to historical governments have been fuzzy at best.

Do I have time to go through and correct them all? No.
Can I suggest that these people read up a bit, and revisit the thread? Absolutely.

Naturally the suggestion to read some more, and educate oneself on the topics at hand doesn't go over well, as many of the gamers I know consider themselves to be history buffs/knowers of all that relates to it. Isn't pride a bummer?

**Orkeosaurus**

I think it has less to do with pride, and more to do with coming into a thread and saying that "some people" are uneducated and need to go do a bunch of research, while not making any effort to specify what people you're talking about.

Unless you expect every person who posts in the thread to go double check everything they've written.

**sniperjolly**

Well consider that for the last 50 years have been spent on a vast propaganda campaign against aliens, how they are all evil and how one scrappy group or rag-tag team of survivors always manages to pull off victory in the end. No matter how futile, you are the resistance, many nukes would be flung, many men would be conscripted and many battle tanks would be owned.

**Sanchez01**

Calling people uneducated is the same thing as calling them an idiot.

If you have a problem with people going off what they know, they run for office and change the education system. You may not have time to correct them all, but you do have time to correct and Idea... a majority of the people call them space commies. Why? Because they say things that make people think of Communism. "Come join us for the greater good!" Now that sounds very much like the propaganda used by the Communist Parties of the world. To join together and create a wonderful world. So instead of bashing them straight up, look at what they are coming from... What I have said is the only link I could think of and it is an easy one to pick up and say, "Hey they sound like Commies."

So Go and Correct the Idea of communism, do not worry about correcting the individual. And Time... you don't have enough, I don't have enough, and I will guess they don't have enough... Why bother spelling out so much? Some people just don't want to bother with it, making a statement on what they think, not trying to debate some other person.

So, now write up why it is not communism, be nice, and let the debating continue.

**Che-Vito**

Sanchez01 wrote:Calling people uneducated is the same thing as calling them an idiot.

If you have a problem with people going off what they know, they run for office and change the education system. You may not have time to correct them all, but you do have time to correct and Idea... a majority of the people call them space commies. Why? Because they say things that make people think of Communism. "Come join us for the greater good!" Now that sounds very much like the propaganda used by the Communist Parties of the world. To join together and create a wonderful world. So instead of bashing them straight up, look at what they are coming from... What I have said is the only link I could think of and it is an easy one to pick up and say, "Hey they sound like Commies."

So Go and Correct the Idea of communism, do not worry about correcting the individual. And Time... you don't have enough, I don't have enough, and I will guess they don't have enough... Why bother spelling out so much? Some people just don't want to bother with it, making a statement on what they think, not trying to debate some other person.

So, now write up why it is not communism, be nice, and let the debating continue.

Ah young Padawan, you will learn.

In my last post, I specifically said that the 40k races share traits with multiple historical groups, and also have some traits unique to the 40k universe. Yet again, you have just branded them Communists and called it a day...you do need to read on Communism.

Why do you ask?
Well, which "Communists" are you comparing them to?
-FARC, a Communist guerrilla group heavily involved in drug/human trade
-EZLN, a Communist guerrilla group that bans all drugs/alcohol, and environmental damage on it's property...as well as being highly supportive of GLBT rights
-Soviet style "Communism" which is far more authoritarian than the listed above two
-Cuban "Communism" which is quite authoritarian, although has created more for the people than the Soviets did (mainly a healthcare and education system)

Need I go on? No.
Be specific.

**penut the butter**

Let's see. First off we know that communism is sort off a hybrid of socialism and Fascistism. Second we know that Joeseph stalin was a tyrant but still managed to get into a fair number of peoples good books by telling workers they were the foundation of the country.
This is sortof like Tau empire rule.
But after reading Tau fluff I have reached the conclusion that it is a hybrid of democracy,communism and monarchy.
Reasons
1: Democratic-like because they are perfectly fine with incorperating other peoples into thier empire like the USA
2: Communist-like because everyone is told they are helping to lay the foundation of the empire like WWII/Cold War Russia
Monarch-like as there are a few leaders and a social(no matter how vauge)climbing like 12th-15 century europe or an ant colony.

**Sanchez01**

My point was, People are making generalized statements. And if you want to poke holes in them, find the time and do it. If you read my posts, I agree with you that they are not Communist, but rather bits a pieces of many forms of government.

EDIT: @ Penut the butter... you are forgetting something... Think of this, Stalin stayed in power with his brutality... the Eatherials stay in power by biochemistry... are they tyranical in the sense of they force their will to be done? or is it a natural hierarchy much like a bug colony?

**Che-Vito**

Sanchez01 wrote:. What I have said is the only link I could think of and it is an easy one to pick up and say, "Hey they sound like Commies.".

Sanchez01 wrote: If you read my posts, I agree with you that they are not Communist, but rather bits a pieces of many forms of government.

penut the butter wrote:Let's see. First off we know that communism is sort off a hybrid of socialism and Fascistism.

Not quite. Communism is it's own thing, and although many Communist movements have had a core of nationalism to them....Facism has not been a common element in all of them.

I believe breaking down individual elements of Tau society is the only way to look at this (as you have begun to do Penut the Butter).
Personally, would I welcome Tau rule if they came? I couldn't tell you, depends on what the offered us, how they treated us, etc.