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Space Pope by miles.

Pyrovores, tyranic war-veterans, vespid sting-wings, chaos dreadnoughts, chaos sorcerers (Meh), venomthropes, and lard raider promethiuses (meh,overpriced and too-heavy


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Asherian Command wrote:I rather take an tactical squad. Scout squads are just guardsmen.

SM scouts are so far better than Guardsmen, I could laugh!

Any unit handled by me on the tabletop is p useless...

From the two codexes i have read (Ork + CSM) id say chaos spawn.

Scout-15 points +1S +1T +1Sv +1Ld

Guardsmen-5 points

Hmm...

While scouts can get some unique weapons, guardsmen can get flamers & meltas...

You're forgetting the Scout Marine special rule list: Combat Tactics, Combat Squads, ATSKNF, Infiltrate, Move THrough Cover, and Scouts.

Melissia wrote:You're forgetting the Scout Marine special rule list: Combat Tactics, Combat Squads, ATSKNF, Infiltrate, Move THrough Cover, and Scouts.

YEEssh.

Also, they get a Bolt Pistol and Bolter by default, and can exchange the bolter for a CCW, shotgun, or sniper rifle for free. And they get frag and krak grenades for free.

Guardsmen get a Lasgun and CCW by default. The latter is useless and does not effect stats in any way, and they cannot exchange their Lasgun for a Laspistol.


Seriously, scouts get a LOT of stuff for what you're paying.

Scouts are far from useless.

Camcloaks, snipers, heavy weapon, infiltrate on an objective and sit there all game collecting 2+ cover saves. That's a potential game winner right there.


This discussion comes up every so often. My point is always that most units people consider "bad" are just either overpriced or competing with a better unit at that role in their own codex. Only a few units actively negatively impact your army if taken;

daemon host
witch hunters priest
space pope

Of those three very special terrible units priests are needed to unlock stuff for witchunters and the daemonhost is at least fun. Space Pope however is just bad with no upside whatsoever.

Space pope is lolz

Actually, Repentia DO negatively effect a Sisters list if taken, because of the strange synergy between Sisters units. Any points not dedicated towards adding another Faithful unit to the list negatively effects the army, and Repentia are a lot of points. The only army with a similar synergy would probably be Necrons (due to Phase Out).

Though I still think standard Ethereals are nowhere near the worst choice, I'm convinced that the special character one is indeed the worst.

bravelybravesirrobin wrote:Scouts are far from useless.

Camcloaks, snipers, heavy weapon, infiltrate on an objective and sit there all game collecting 2+ cover saves. That's a potential game winner right there.


This discussion comes up every so often. My point is always that most units people consider "bad" are just either overpriced or competing with a better unit at that role in their own codex. Only a few units actively negatively impact your army if taken;

daemon host
witch hunters priest
space pope

Of those three very special terrible units priests are needed to unlock stuff for witchunters and the daemonhost is at least fun. Space Pope however is just bad with no upside whatsoever.

Didn't mean to imply that they were useless.

Pound for pound though, I feel that guardsmen are more of an asset.

I can't see melissia's post, though...

Repentias are 100% not worse than the space pope, I saw that "They affect synergy" or some such non-sense... "Sisters is what we should talk about!!"

The space pope DIRECTLY impacts them.

Ok im not a noob But who is the freaking space pope??

Aun'Va, the Ethereal special character.

Space pope is the 205 point waste of an HQ slot for tau.

I believe kilkrazy posted a picture on page one or two.

I think we all agree Aun'Va is the most terrible thing to ever grace a Codex. Terrible in any form of combat, his "benefits" hurt the army and his downsides REALLY hurt the army. Guess what happens if you don't run away after Space Pope dies? You get fethin' CC bonuses. Oooh, Fire warriors with Furious charge! Genius! Maybe, MAYBE Crisis suits with Furious charge could punch tanks. But that's what GUNS are for. Maybe if Aun'va and Farsight could be in the same army, Farsight could take advantage of furious charge with his sword. Nope, not allowed. Total, and utter, FAIL.

As for second worst unit... I think I'll go with Pyrovores. If he's anywhere near your lines, and dies, you die. If he gets into CC, he dies. Sure, he can get a nice flamer off if someone happens to stroll into range... but anyone with a brain who sees a large red monster traipsing slowly towards their lines will shoot it turn 1 or 2. It'll die (it's terrible) and it will melt your own troops. So, not only is it overpriced, but the situations where it will be effective are so rare and improbable as to be almost nil.

Repentia merely are expensive and useless. Same with a heckuva lot of other units in other codices. MOST useless methinks depends on units whose very existence threatens your other troops on the board. Repentia can't stab your own units in the face if they die. Thus, I'd scrath them off the list.

What about squigs?

WS-4
BS-0
S-3
T-2
W-1
I-3
A-1
Ld-5
Sv-0

Oh, they also have no special rules.

but squigs are cute and they look like gum balls with legs

Pyrovores are only to be used as a Spodding distraction for a turn.

Melissia wrote:
Have you ever SEEN a Guard codex?

Guard players would LOVE for their infantry to have the Scout statline! .

Have you ever seen the Marine codex?

Marine players would LOVE for their scouts to have the weapons options that vet units do!

halonachos wrote:What about squigs?

WS-4
BS-0
S-3
T-2
W-1
I-3
A-1
Ld-5
Sv-0

Oh, they also have no special rules.

You can't really have a unit of squigs though can you.

the only way to get a squig into 40k presently is to use zogworts curse, so its less a bad unit itself than a good aspect of zogwort.

Do i need to pull a Ace now... Hellions( are the most worthless unit in the game...) what the heck give them a rapid fire weapon so they cant charge...
the only saving grace is there +5 jink sav, there over priced and really dont have a spot in 40k any more....( last time i played with them was back in 3rd ed.)

Melissia wrote:We're not tlaking about useless units. But the MOST useless unit. Which is, without a shadow of a doubt, Repentia.

yep, this one.

They were supposed to be the SoB terminators but the chance to make then HAWT HAWT naughty schoolgirls in their ragged uniforms and bondage gear!

halonachos wrote:What about squigs?

WS-4
BS-0
S-3
T-2
W-1
I-3
A-1
Ld-5
Sv-0

Oh, they also have no special rules.

Since when is WS4 sucky? Thats a pretty highly trained Squig if you ask me. Besides Id argue that a Squig is one of the most important units to have. Why you ask? Oh simply because when you turn Calgar into a Squig, you have to have one to replace him . Boom.


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Also Im laughing at the thought of people really truly believing that scouts suck. Are they uber fantastic TH/SS terminator awesome? Nope, but they have really good stats, and have some really awesome weapons. Sure they arnt a fill all rolls type, but when used when they SHOULD be used, they can really kick your face in. Not to mention, that Telion can be placed with them, and last I checked the guy is a badass (not to mention his mini just screams conversion. Damn thats a cool mini)

Cadet_Commissar_Ludd wrote:

4M2A wrote:It has to be a Tau Ethereal, they do nothing good and give the other player a chance to make your units run.

In big games, they can actually be quite useful if they sit in cover on an objective with a 12 man bs4 fire warrior squad

Not really. HQ slots (retinue) can't claim objectives.

Space pope and ethereal seem to be a tie in my eyes. The only difference is one costs way more and as such is a bigger waste of points.

How about we compromise, now that I know what the space pope does gotta agree he's the worst.

200 points?!?

So let's call him the worst special character and sisters repentia the worst unit.

Sisters repentia trump hellions!

I should probably go change "most of my posts are tactical" to spam...

I gotta say Guardians just from my experience. No range, gak toughness, gak strength, gak save, way over priced compared to ork boyz who could beat the mess out of them, or Guardsmen who would rapid fire them to pieces before they could ever get close enough to shoot. What do they have going for them? Oh yeah a high initiative if they ever land a wound with their whopping S3 that might be useful... oh yeah, and an overpriced weapon platform you are forced to sink points into.

Guitardian wrote:I gotta say Guardians just from my experience. No range, gak toughness, gak strength, gak save, way over priced compared to ork boyz who could beat the mess out of them, or Guardsmen who would rapid fire them to pieces before they could ever get close enough to shoot. What do they have going for them? Oh yeah a high initiative if they ever land a wound with their whopping S3 that might be useful... oh yeah, and an overpriced weapon platform you are forced to sink points into.

But they aren't the worst unit in the game.

I still think people are overestimating Neophytes, Mandrakes and Warp Beasts, just to name a few.

And I think people are underestimating a ton of units.