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IMO, this is definitely better than game 1.

Recommendation: keep each army at 2 or 3 options per turn.

It makes the armies more distinct and makes it easier for all players to develop strategy

So I can't play sisters?

My worries regarding the Necrons were as such:

Set up
Alpha
SM: Space Wolves 10
SM: Black Templars 10

Beta
Necrons: Golden Legion 10

Turn One
Both SM move to Beta and attack Necrons
Necrons attack Space Wolves
Alpha

Beta
Space Wolves 9
Black Templars 10
Necrons 6

Turn Two
Necrons recover 3 wounds, move to Alpha and reinforce 1. Which brings them right back to their original points.
Alpha
Necrons 10

Beta
Space Wolves 9
Black Templars 10

*The SM may choose to attack the Necron force again, but the cycle will just continue in a loop, as any attack that doesn't instantly bing Necrons to 0 is useless. This makes Necrons virtually unkillable. IMHO I think it would be more balance if Necrons recovered half of all wounds inflicted against them rounding up. This is how it would turn out:

Set up
Alpha
SM: Space Wolves 10
SM: Black Templars 10

Beta
Necrons: Golden Legion 10

Turn One
Both SM move to Betta and attack Necrons
Necrons attack Space Wolves
Alpha

Beta
Space Wolves 9
Black Templars 10
Necrons 6

Turn Two
Necrons recover half the wounds inflicted (Half of 4 = 2), move to Alpha and reinforce 1. Which brings them close to their original points, but a difference has been made.
Alpha
Necrons 9

Beta
Space Wolves 9
Black Templars 10

*Here the SM forces have the option of continuing to harass the Necron force. The Necrons are very hard to kill (as only one wound was resulted in the end), but they are not impregnable. This is just my opinion mind you, and I'm just trying to be critical in order to make this as fun and engaging as possible.

Form my understanding of the rules. Space marines should be able to:


Space Marines

A) Move(2), Reinforce(1)
B) Move(2), Attack(3)

As per night watch but also since it says may "move up to two spaces per turn."

C) Move(1), Reinforce(1)
D) Move(1), Attack(3)
E) Move(2)
F) Move(1)
G) Attack(3)

@DD I think this game is quite enjoyable at that level of complexity. This desire to make it simpler is IMO pointless. If you notice I don't play the other survivor games it is for this reason. I also think it would be frustrating for example to play as Space marines and not be able to attack someone in the same sector because I have to move first. Finally when I look at the rules they indicate this range of actions to me.

@Shaman: I understand that you're looking for something more "complex". All good!

Shaman wrote:Form my understanding of the rules. Space marines should be able to:


Space Marines

A) Move(2), Reinforce(1)
B) Move(2), Attack(3)

As per night watch but also since it says may "move up to two spaces per turn."

C) Move(1), Reinforce(1)
D) Move(1), Attack(3)
E) Move(2)
F) Move(1)
G) Attack(3)

@DD I think this game is quite enjoyable at that level of complexity. This desire to make it simpler is IMO pointless. If you notice I don't play the other survivor games it is for this reason. I also think it would be frustrating for example to play as Space marines and not be able to attack someone in the same sector because I have to move first. Finally when I look at the rules they indicate this range of actions to me.

Sorry about that, when I wrote up those descriptions it was with the general intention of portraying the maximum actions available per turn. The idea was that you could lower the numbers if you wish, but are not allowed to do anything past what is written.

I do realize this can come with some complications, such as attacking only after having moved, or some such rule, where it would be incorrect to take away movement, but in general the lists work well, and if Manchu edits the original post to include their possible actions with their statline and rules sets then people can draw on their own the actions they can perform.

In Game 1 I originally had a huge list of actions for all players, that usually went up to at least "E". Then I realized there was no point to including some of them, as they were combined within more complex actions.

Don't know if you caught all that, but keep giving suggestions and if Manchu approves then I'll edit the actions to include that!

I completely understand you intent.

However the RAW mentality of dakka means that everything must be spelled out IMO. It also makes it simpler for those who only dabble in this game to be able to find out everything and make no errors which may or may not be spotted.

Also do I come across as a bastard everyone is apologizing?!? Don't mean to if thats the case.

@EF- The rule as currently read, states that it is one wound regained per each multi-wound attack. Though I can see where it might need a further clarification for some players.


@Manchu-Might I suggest this change to the Necron rule to address EF's very valid concern?

We'll Be Back!: The ancient Necron are death personified; they will show the galaxy once again that only death cannot itself be killed.
Necron factions that receive more than one wound from any individual faction in a single attack will automatically regain one wound per each multiwound attack on their following turn,
assuming they survived the preceding turn. They regain these wounds even if they are also reinforcing that turn.



@Both- Does this clarify the rule enough?

I think instead of that, we should simply give them R2, and the ability to reinforce no matter what. Anyone see a problem with that?

@Symphonius- IMO,Yours version of the Necron rule is OP and fails to express the feel of the Necrons.

The currently proposed rule is interactive in that they only get the bouns when being attacked by Muti-attack armies.

Your proposed version gives them a rapid reproduction/spawning style more fitting for the Tyranids.

focusedfire wrote:
We'll Be Back!: The ancient Necron are death personified; they will show the galaxy once again that only death cannot itself be killed.
Necron factions that receiving more than one wound from any individual faction in a single attack will automatically regain one wound per each multiwound attack on their following turn,
assuming they survived the preceding turn. They regain these wounds even if they are also reinforcing that turn.



@Both- Does this clarify the rule enough?

So if two Multi-attack armies strike (say both SM) at 3 attacks each, the Necrons automatically recover a wound from each multi attack, therefore recovering 2? That makes sense. My only concern now is does this take place for Multi-attacks that are spread around, such as IG Attack 3 Target 3?

@EF-It would have no bearing upon the necrons because they did not receive more than one wound from those factions.(Ughh, Just noticed that I typed receiving as opposed to receive, must..fix..now.)

Wait, what? I'm so confused.

Oh wait, hang on. You're saying that (effectively) no faction can ever cuase more than one wound on Necrons, as any more wounds after the first one from that faction are regenerated in the Necron players turn?

So this makes gangups the best way of dealing with them, and renders hard hitting armies less/im-potent?

I think I got.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Oh wait, hang on. You're saying that (effectively) no faction can ever cuase more than one wound on Necrons, as any more wounds after the first one from that faction are regenerated in the Necron players turn?

So this makes gangups the best way of dealing with them, and renders hard hitting armies less/im-potent?

I think I got.

Almost, it goes like this:

An army with one attack will do one damage with no bonus. Think of this as not leaving enough spare parts or whatever would be needed to activate the special ability. This = 1 wound/turn

An army with A2 and T1 will do 2 wounds but the necrons will automatically regen one of them on the next turn if they are still alive. This = 1 wound/turn if necrons survive

An army with A3 and T1 will do 3 wounds but the necrons will automatically regen one of them on the next turn if they are still alive. This = 2 wound/turn if necrons survive


Does this help?

BTW, Yes Gang ups will work best. It will be like the game where you want to destroy the a whole unit in a single turn to limit the number of WBB rolls.

Ahhhhhh. I get it. Maybe it's best to put this example with the special rule, just to clarify for all. (unless everyone else just isn't as dumb as me)

Shaman wrote:Form my understanding of the rules. Space marines should be able to:


Space Marines

A) Move(2), Reinforce(1)
B) Move(2), Attack(3)

As per night watch but also since it says may "move up to two spaces per turn."

C) Move(1), Reinforce(1)
D) Move(1), Attack(3)
E) Move(2)
F) Move(1)
G) Attack(3)

This correct. Nightwatch's summaries are accurate, as well, but you have to take into account that he doesn't list every possible move according to the larger rules (movement amount is permissive, no factions need move to attack) but rather summarizes the special rules.

focusedfire wrote:@Manchu-Might I suggest this change to the Necron rule to address EF's very valid concern?

We'll Be Back!: The ancient Necron are death personified; they will show the galaxy once again that only death cannot itself be killed.
Necron factions that receive more than one wound from any individual faction in a single attack will automatically regain one wound per each multiwound attack on their following turn,
assuming they survived the preceding turn. They regain these wounds even if they are also reinforcing that turn.

This is perfect, as far as I can tell.

Wow after all this time only 11 players?

I tried to recruit but they had already been contacted by manchu..

I'm not sure why I'm not up there.

The emperor has forsaken you?

Manchu ist Emperor?

The emperor moves in mysterious ways..

Using the internet for the Good of Mankind. Yeah, that's pretty freaking mysterious right there.

Corrected omission of EF and took VScott of the list, leaving us at eleven still. I really would like a few more. Ef, can you get a hold of anyone you played Mafia! with?

Shaman wrote:Wow after all this time only 11 players?

I tried to recruit but they had already been contacted by manchu..

Some like me Escaped the recrutement it seems

May I ask our new god-emporer of strategic survivor threads if this is still a beta to game one?

Oh and....

Dear glorious lord, your humble servant would like to sacrifice another poor faction for the betterment of this thread.
Consider me as backup

Could backup one of the outnumbered factions, again.

@1hadhq: Please feel free to pick any faction.

@all: Game Two will most likely be only original factions as the voting is dead heat and so much regarding the original factions has been changed.

I have been "Requested" into this game

If you'll have me, I'll play Orks

I will play as the illustrious space marine chapter of The Rainbow Warriors.

the_ferrett wrote:I have been "Requested" into this game

Wonderful! A fresh 'volunteer'.