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A Black Ram wrote:The old idea I like alot better, but knowing you it will turn out cool. Bat wings I suppose?

Only on the more elite units, the standard assault squads will have pre-heresy jumpbacks. Their appearance won't be as chaotic with the exception of the fallen librarians and Honor or should I say terror Guard. You'll just have to wait and see.

I say that you should not let some terd with no artistic streak keep you from doing something that you find enjoyment in.

but aside from that preherisy marines do offer an artistic flair it will be fun watching them progress.

keep us posted!!!!

p.s. love the grot rebellion

Proiteus wrote:Sorry to have to say this guys but I've decided to scrap this project! Since a lot of you have shown interest in this army I've decided to announce here on Dakka Dakka rather than make you wait for updates that ain't coming.

This decision has sadly been brought on by several of the local gamers disliking my 'extreme' use of the codexes in recent projects. One of my Warseer project logs has recently been bombarded by one of them accusing me of using the guard codex for my grot rebellion for reasons of power-gaming rather than conversion.

Meanwhile I've had more friendlier players suggest that I should try a less 'unique' concept for my next army and try building something that already exists in the 40k universe rather than inventing another completely new race, which I understand local gamers are getting tired of. Plus I know if I continue with this project I'll open myself up to insults and comments about me turning orks into humans and humans into grots. Lets face it I'm getting a bit carried away here.

So for those reasons I'm scrapping the Krogg Project!

I may decide to restart the project in the future, but only when I'm confident that it won't be hated purely for my use of the ork codex.

But the 40K universe doesn't exist(yet)!!! How can they possibly preach to you about combining dexes.....???...............these win at all cost guys need to get a grip....it's a game!!!

I for one liked your creativity and unique results...........keep at it..........

ghosty wrote:Whoever is suppressing your creativity is a real dick.

QFT

Seriously dude, all your armies look fantastic! I can't even beginn to wrap my brain around the accusation of "power gaming", that guy sounds like a real jerk. You're actually the kinda guy I would WANT to play against because I just love how your stuff looks.

Shame to hear you're stopping this because of a bunch of whiners. I agree with Anung Un Rama that I'd love to play against your armies...

Proiteus wrote:Sorry to have to say this guys but I've decided to scrap this project! Since a lot of you have shown interest in this army I've decided to announce here on Dakka Dakka rather than make you wait for updates that ain't coming.

This decision has sadly been brought on by several of the local gamers disliking my 'extreme' use of the codexes in recent projects. One of my Warseer project logs has recently been bombarded by one of them accusing me of using the guard codex for my grot rebellion for reasons of power-gaming rather than conversion.

Meanwhile I've had more friendlier players suggest that I should try a less 'unique' concept for my next army and try building something that already exists in the 40k universe rather than inventing another completely new race, which I understand local gamers are getting tired of. Plus I know if I continue with this project I'll open myself up to insults and comments about me turning orks into humans and humans into grots. Lets face it I'm getting a bit carried away here.

So for those reasons I'm scrapping the Krogg Project!

I may decide to restart the project in the future, but only when I'm confident that it won't be hated purely for my use of the ork codex.

You models, you money, you do what you want with them, personally I would suggest to these people that unless they are going to pay for your models then they should suck it up and respect your property and ideas, at the end of the day it does get very boring seeing yet another marine army turn up on the table, I would suggest you find a different group of people to play with, sadly however a lot of people lack imagination, the other option is bitch slap the next person who starts carrying on like that

THEY KILLED KROGGY!! THOSE BASTARDS!!

I say, keep it going on the side. Do a model for each unit so you can keep the idea on the workbench.

Local gamers elbow your minis off the table? Don't play with them. "Counts-as" should be good enough. Power gaming doesn't need massive conversions.

Dang! I didn't expect this much of an uproar, well don't worry guys I plan to return to this project at a later date.

But for the moment I want to try building an army that offically exists in the 40k univerise and you can't get much better than the first traitor legion.

Yeah. Sounds like those whiners aren't worth wasting your time or energy on, actually. In fact, send 'em our way and we'll gladly discuss what powergaming _really_ is (hint: not using the Ork codex).

Expanding new ideas is how stuff gets in to the fluff. Hope you go ahead with this after your Night Lords project makes some headway.

This is pretty cool!

Send em my way, I've been looking for a reason to crack some skulls

THERE IS HOPE!
Given the huge outcry on this forum I plan to continue working on the Kroggs, But after I've completed my Night Lords.

However I plan to make one crucial change which is rather than inventing a new race "The Kroggs" I plan to use a race that already exists. While they are widely refered to in 40k fluff and fiction like the mechnaicus they don't have their own codex. They are...

MUTANTS!


Heres the benefits of changing the Kroggs from a warrior race to a mutant horde...

They exist everywhere in the 40k univerise and come in all shapes and sizes.

I can better expliain their increased stats and rules than being humans that lived on a hostile world, Big Mutants can be Nobs.

They appeared once in Eye Of Terror and their stats were the same as orks but with -1 BS & WS and they were close combat based.

Conversion potenal, I've still got the old White Dwarfs from back then with mutant conversion guides in.

I won't be made fun of for changing grots to humans and humans into orks!

So what do you think to my change of direction for this army idea?

All I can say is you should still grab that FW ogryn model and mount a grot on his back! And then you will have created one of the pivtol Mad Max inspired models!

Master Blaster!!!

(Ofcourse a halfling model would work as well)

I whole-heartedly approve of your new direction, and not just because I decided the other day that my TLATD muties should get some love with the Ork codex

HELL YEAH, GO FOR IT!!!

I can't wait to see how you do this army, though I'm sure that it will be bursting at the seams with conversions.

Lost and the Damned ftw

All I can say is you should still grab that FW ogryn model and mount a grot on his back! And then you will have created one of the pivtol Mad Max inspired models!

Way ahead of Proiteus on this one: MastaBlasta

Do you got the old eye of terror codex? The lost and the damned would fit this pretty well, since they are.. well mutants!


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And you can give them marks to boost one of their stats! Could represent the diferent tribes

I like to use the ork codex to play with my genestealer cult (imperial guard + green sstuff + genestealer bits). Nobody can tell you anything if you respect the size and weapons are easy to recognize.

Awesome idea! And the models are looking great.

The Mutant idea is pure win. does this mean they will get a little more chaotic in appearance?

KROGG EVALOUTION?
I had decided that the Krogg project would cause issues as I had already converted humans into grots and therefore turning orks into humans would have people making fun of my bizarre codex hopping. Anyway because of this I felt that the current Krogg models were just ‘too human’ in appearance, they didn’t look like they could support ork stats and saying they were from a world with a harsh climate and non-stop war wouldn't satisfy most players so I decided to consider a full mutant army.
However while coming up with ideas for mutant conversions I came up with a concept that would make a really good Abhuman species (a mutant population like Ogryns & Ratlings).

Basically the conversion involves placing the ork torso on a guard/marauder legs replacing the feet with the thick ork boots and green stuffing a rough trench coat over the legs. A mutant like head (suggestions?) is then placed on the top half of the ork’s neck and a scarf is sculpted over the lower part. Add some ork arms and you’ve got a mutant warrior that towers over an space marine, think of them as an army of small Ogryn.



So what do you think to the idea of the new Krogg Warrior, I thought I run it by you guys first?

Nice idea.
Should look striking

Wow. I have always been a big fan of your stuff, the Grots most of all, but this could be your coolest project! I love the ideas for the clans, with each clan having it's own thing. Cannot wait to see more.

_Tim?

That sounds great. I can't think of any heads that would be particularly right for it, more a lot of different heads would suit the army.
Some ork, some human (mutated heads even) ans some chaos heads. Dark Eldar bare heads might work too. The Chaos range might be the best bet though.
I'd say look at goblin heads too. Just shave the nose and some of the ears down.

Do GW still sell that mutation sprue? That has some quality heads on it.

Sounds good. For the heads (and if you can source them), I always felt the squig's face from the grots kit would make a nice mutie head.

That would be a brilliant idea. For your "Nobs" I think you should use converted GW Ogres as they could represent the bigger, stronger ones.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/280054.page#1347064
This chap did something similar to what you are proposing.


Personally I think you should stick with your current idea as it's pretty damn awesome.

Feral Human psychopaths > Mutants. Any day of the week.

Haters gonna hate and all that, sir. Please reconsider changing this project.

If someone can pull that off, it's you Proiteus.

Have you checked out the alternate heads range from MaxMini?

if your still into this you might wanna look into some parts from the LOTR urukhai