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Raxor wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Yay we're back on topic!


I really doubt that the Caestus signals a boarding action expansion. I really do, as much as I want to see it. Something like that is just as effective as smashing into a building.

Even the blurb in the MKIII armour mentions fighting onboard ships. Nothing's set in stone, but it's looking like a safe bet.

That would be cool as long as it was either just a part of an IA book (but not the entire thing) or if it was a smaller supplement like Aeronautica Imperialis. You could do some very cool stuff with boarding actions and rules for Space Hulks and what not.

But I am more interested in seeing what GW will do when Forge World can't keep their new Heresy Era stuff in stock!!!!! I love Forge World but I really would like to see GW just dump 40k and fo with 30k

Now tempted to hammer out an Iron warriors army :(

Just waiting a while 1st too see what else gets released before i decide on anything.

Raxor wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Yay we're back on topic!


I really doubt that the Caestus signals a boarding action expansion. I really do, as much as I want to see it. Something like that is just as effective as smashing into a building.

Even the blurb in the MKIII armour mentions fighting onboard ships. Nothing's set in stone, but it's looking like a safe bet.

Want to know what else has a blurb about being used for fighting onboard ships?

The Elysian lascutter.

What a complete con that they sell the boltguns seperately. for a tenner.

Well... the Iron Armour guys are awesome. The retro weapon set is very cool, even the bolters are nice. Not 100% sold on the flying brick, mostly because its wings look goofy (and will break off the model in a heartbeat) but otherwise this is a pretty sweet set of releases.

Now if FW would do some Pre-Heresy Terminators, I think most of us would go insane.

Kanluwen wrote:I really don't get the mention of "it just doesn't look aerodynamic".

Exactly. It's designed for ramming ships in space. It's essentially an aerospace fighter, and isn't required to be aerodynamic as there's no air in space.

Orinoco wrote:What a complete con that they sell the boltguns seperately. for a tenner.

It does at least mean that if you want the armour to put into a 'modern' Marine army, you're not buying a bunch of old-style bolters you don't need.

Definitely sold on the Iron Armor set, that will find it's way into my heresy Scars.....

The flying thing though, not impressed. It looks like a poorly thought out scratch build.

I like everything about the Caestus...EXCEPT for the wing placement. IMHO, it looks somewhat fragile and "unrealistic" (yes, I know that's a whole other debate. )

BUT just looking at the images, it appears it wouldn't be too hard to relocated the wings further down the sides of the rear fuselage, and make the model a lot closer in appearance to the "original" design (below). The wing has that nice 90 degree bend in it - almost appears like it was made to be relocated to lower down. If I had the scratchbuilding skills, I think I'd probably have a go at the Landspeeder style fairing over the top as well...

Definitely on the "will buy" list...

As for the other releases...I've got a heap of RTB01 bolters, marines, and heavy weapons that I've just been inspired to incorporate into my "modern" army!

Padre^.

insaniak wrote:

Orinoco wrote:What a complete con that they sell the boltguns seperately. for a tenner.

It does at least mean that if you want the armour to put into a 'modern' Marine army, you're not buying a bunch of old-style bolters you don't need.

Next they'll have us buying the backpacks seperately

insaniak wrote:

Orinoco wrote:What a complete con that they sell the boltguns seperately. for a tenner.

It does at least mean that if you want the armour to put into a 'modern' Marine army, you're not buying a bunch of old-style bolters you don't need.

Honestly, they can't win with the boltgun placement.

If they were only available in the Iron Armor set--there'd be whining. If they were available in packs of 5, there'd be complaints that you "don't get enough", etc.

It's 10 for 10 GBP(15 USD), including the bayonets, that are redone so that they can work not only with the Iron Armors...but even with the 'new' Marks that we have now in Tactical Squads.

And would you look at that, they give you enough for a 10 man Tactical Squad.

I don't see a problem with it. As mentioned, you're not always going to want to have the Pre-Heresy Bolters, so packaging then in with the Iron Armour would be akin to... well... this.

Splitting out the weapons gives the consumer more options, not less. Yeah, the stuff is still pricey, but that is a given. Including the guns and making the price 30 quid is, definitively, a worse option.

And I wish the backpacks were separate. They are my favorite part

H.B.M.C. wrote:I don't see a problem with it. As mentioned, you're not always going to want to have the Pre-Heresy Bolters, so packaging then in with the Iron Armour would be akin to... well... this.

The Deathwatch conversion kit is a bit of a different beast, I think. Metal shoulderpads, two different sets of metal heads, and the bolters make for a weird bit package. I'd say, personally, it'd be more akin to the metal Plasma Gun/Meltagun bit packages.

Kanluwen wrote:The Deathwatch conversion kit is a bit of a different beast, I think. Metal shoulderpads, two different sets of metal heads, and the bolters make for a weird bit package. I'd say, personally, it'd be more akin to the metal Plasma Gun/Meltagun bit packages.

My point was that as someone who has built a Deathwatch Army (despite your insistence Kan that such a thing is 'wrong'), and even for anyone wanting to build a simple DW Kill Team - the Shoulder Pads and Bolters are what you need. Having 5 of two different heads isn't all that useful, about as useful as someone buying the Iron Armour to make into Sternguard w/Combi-Weapons and being saddled with 10 Bolters they don't want.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:The Deathwatch conversion kit is a bit of a different beast, I think. Metal shoulderpads, two different sets of metal heads, and the bolters make for a weird bit package. I'd say, personally, it'd be more akin to the metal Plasma Gun/Meltagun bit packages.

My point was that as someone who has built a Deathwatch Army (despite your insistence Kan that such a thing is 'wrong'), and even for anyone wanting to build a simple DW Kill Team - the Shoulder Pads and Bolters are what you need. Having 5 of two different heads isn't all that useful, about as useful as someone buying the Iron Armour to make into Sternguard w/Combi-Weapons and being saddled with 10 Bolters they don't want.

Well it is wrong, from a fluff basis!

But that's neither here nor there. I know your point, was just pointing out it's not the best comparison.

Space Marine boarding craft and old-school marines.

Is anyone else thinking IA: Space Crusade?

I think I will get a ten man squad, just to compliment my Cypher model. -Possible traitors in the making?

AlexHolker wrote:Space Marine boarding craft and old-school marines.

Is anyone else thinking IA: Space Crusade?

No, not really!

In fact, I think some people here have already guessed correctly!

I love the Iron Armour!!! When I was younger, GW used to put out multiple pieces of all the old armours so you could build up an entire squad, now they make that Armour Through the Ages set...

And yes, they should have taken the pics with the Umbra pattern bolters, but they may not have been ready yet...

Not sure about the Ram thing yet... I was hoping it would look cool eough for the Blood Raven thingy for Blood Angels so my buddy wil stop griping about no model!

Forgeworld is as forgeworld does. But there's no way I'm forking over 150 bucks for the Caestus with their resin quality reputation. Even if the stock ship would make for a decent landraider replacement for my Space Wolf army.

Jayden63 wrote:Forgeworld is as forgeworld does. But there's no way I'm forking over 150 bucks for the Caestus with their resin quality reputation. Even if the stock ship would make for a decent landraider replacement for my Space Wolf army.

You could probably convert your own using a Land Raider and a Valkyrie. You'd still come out on top in terms of price.

I, for one, like the Caestus, though I'd probably do something to make the wings a bit more structurally sound...

I'd be very surprised if the next IA isn't about a Space Marine chapter (possibly continuing with the Raven Guard?) doing some boarding actions. Hasn't it been mentioned that the IA team wanted to get back to Eldar? How awesome would it be to do boarding actions on to a Craftworld?

Commander Endova wrote:I, for one, like the Caestus, though I'd probably do something to make the wings a bit more structurally sound...

I'd be very surprised if the next IA isn't about a Space Marine chapter (possibly continuing with the Raven Guard?) doing some boarding actions. Hasn't it been mentioned that the IA team wanted to get back to Eldar? How awesome would it be to do boarding actions on to a Craftworld?

That would make alot of sense with the phantom in the works.

I really, really like everything they have done.

A stormraven wouldhave been more appreciated than a cestus but the olde style weapons and the iron armour are just great.

I wouldn't be suprised if the next IA had nothing to do with boarding actions.

IA already did a ruleset for fighting in corridors, including breach & clear tactics. If that can't be applied for a ship boarding game, I don't know what can.

The new version of Space Hulk is still... well... new. Couple that with the above fact, and IMO, FW would be wasting a lot of time on a book about something they've already covered when they could be writing about something new.

I love the Mk III marines.

As my Blood Angel army is mostly made up of RT-era marines, I see a squad of these in my future to make Sternguard.

Lovely...

FM Ninja 048 wrote:

Commander Endova wrote:I, for one, like the Caestus, though I'd probably do something to make the wings a bit more structurally sound...

I'd be very surprised if the next IA isn't about a Space Marine chapter (possibly continuing with the Raven Guard?) doing some boarding actions. Hasn't it been mentioned that the IA team wanted to get back to Eldar? How awesome would it be to do boarding actions on to a Craftworld?

That would make alot of sense with the phantom in the works.

Considering that the next IA is slated to be a continuation of the Ork Waagh! began in IA8...I don't think so, at all.

Eldar are, however, slated to be a fifth column styled force involved in the Imperium and Ork slugfest.

Alpharius wrote:

Kryppers wrote:They're a bit nice, but the Mk3 helmets certainly don't look like the same helmet (which I assumed was a Mk3 visored helm) that the newsletter posted as a teaser... more to come methinks..?

I was just about to mention this too!



It is significantly different!

MKII



MKIII



It doesn't quite look like either...

The mystery of it all!

Possibly a 'custom' suit for the upcoming IA: *********?

Well, we can assume it's a post heresy loyalist character on account of the aquila on it's chest. The backpack and neck guard (for the life of me I can't remember what the proper name for that part of the armour is called) place it to be a later set of armour, probably custom as alpharius mentioned, but I have a hunch it may incorporate elements of Mk8

am I right in remembering some mention of a Deathkorps redux? because the helmet looks very similar to the krieg.
I just hope I can get a pack of those helmets seperately... much nicer than the mk3 set.

I believe it is time to bear the word of the Emperor to the infidelic foe. In stylish Granite grey.

Dammit, and I was so looking forward to have soome money in the bank as well.

Everytime a marine gets fw resin legs, an alpharius gets wings.

And flies to the nearest ATM lol.

Great set, not sold on the boarding shuttle, the design looks confused to me, as if they started building it without too much concept preparation if that makes any sense?

Over all though, great news for every strata of space marine fan!