Platinum Devil the Second:- The Imperium Strikes Back!

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**Ketara**

I see no reason why not, on the following basis:-

-The Chimera entry is removed, and you must use the one listed in the Imperial Guard codex.
-Suppression Shields are downgraded from a 4+ Invulnerable save to a 5+.
-If you want to use a Repressor, you need to bring along Imperial Armour II.
-The Sentinel entry is removed, and you may choose either the regular Sentinel or Armoured Sentinel options from the Imperial Guard Codex instead.
-Cyberhounds do not prevent enemies from outflanking.

If you're happy with those modifications, go to town.

**ArbitorIan**

Cool - i might well do - I'll see if I can build a decent force out of that codex and what I've got.

- I don't have any Chimeras - I'll be using Rhinos/Repressors
- I'll bring the IA2 Repressor rules
- I won't be using any Sentinels

Query the Supression Shield thing, though - in both the WH and DH codexes, regular human supression shields are 4+ (Crusader). I don't think there have been any 5+ ones since some much older Marine codices.

Anyway, let's see if I can build an army - if those are all the restrictions, it should be fine...

**Ketara**

I'm just not too big on a 13 point model with WS 4, and 2 attacks(shield counts as combat weapon), that are poisoned, and has a bolt pistol and, on top of all that, having a 4+ invulnerable. I just think it's a spot broken, so I'm lowering the invulnerable save to balance it out a spot.

**Fifty**

I just remembered that I have tickets for Deadmau5 at Earl's Court on Saturday, and it is an early evening start, so I won't be able to make it to this event :(

**ceorron**

If there are still places i think I can swing that weekend off. However the costs for me to get from yorkshire to canterbury and get a hotel for the night is a bit prohibative.

Would anyone be going from the yorkshire area that could car share to cut costs.

**Ketara**

Shame to hear that Fifty.

Ceorron, there are still places available, but there's no-one going from Yorkshire that I'm aware of.

**ceorron**

Ketara: Doesn't suprise me really, was asking just in case. So I will have to sit this one out.

**Tek**

All paid now. Looking forward to it. Still don't have a list together but rest assured it'll be sweet.

How's the format gonna work with games exactly? I understand how to build my list(s), but unsure how the order or service goes...

ie who plays game 1, game 2 etc? Sorry for being a tourney noob...

**Ketara**

Basically, like with with last time, matchups will be determined by me, the tourney organiser. For the first round, I pair everyone up randomly. After that, I pair off the highest scorers for games. If you've already played the person with the closest score to your own, you'll play the person with the next most similar score who you haven't yet faced.

**reds8n**

To be honest with you I have issues with the army lists format, especially the way the 500- 1000 points scales.

from my existing list I can choose my troops... and that's it for combat patrol. Wow.. great.. that'll be exciting.

I'd much rather people just had to have a 500 point list, and then -- same army even -- a 1000 point list and then a 1250 one.

well, actually I'd rather not play 500 point games at all ; I don't find them fun at all and, frankly, neither the current rules of codices are really suited for that level.

**Tek**

Ketara - Thanks buddy. Sounds cool.

I've played a few 500pt games before, and I found them to be OK red. I guess it's a matter of taste - I guess at the very least they should be quick?

**Ketara**

In that case Red, it's easy enough. Let's take a vote:-

All ye in favour of escalation rules say aye.
All ye in favour of building a different list for each points cost say nay.

**reds8n**

nay.

**Tek**

~meh~

**ChrisWWII**

nay

**SilverMK2**

I guess I would go with "Aye".

Not hugely keen on escalation matches but I think one where you have to keep the same choices is a bit more interesting and will lead to some unusual lists that people might not otherwise use.

**ChrisWWII**

If we could change the equipment of the unit, I'd say aye.

**ArbitorIan**

AYE

One of the interesting things about the escalation rules is that different armies do better at different points values.

**Ketara**

That gives us two ayes, two nays, and a meh so far. Looks like you may end up being the tie breaker if this trend continues Tek

**Chimera_Calvin**

Best of luck with this, Ketara.

Sadly I won't be able to attend (weekend before christmas with a baby and toddler at home - my wife would do unmentionable things to me...

)

It does of course mean I'll have to give some serious thought to Silver Sorceror II next year now

All the best to eveyone who goes.

**Tek**

OOh bugger. I hate making decisions. I had to choose what to have for dinner last night and it look me an hour.

Oh and I just realised - that "meh" post above was my 1000th! Awesome.

I think my army's gonna be better at lower points costs anyhow, so the latter stages aren't my priority as such...

**notprop**

I've never played an escalation event before but would like to give it a go despite the problems I can see for me selecting a list. Mixes things up a bit I imagine.

AYE!

**Kilkrazy**

Escalation doesn't work for Tyranids because they don't have any synapse creatures who are single wound models.

The entire army in Combat Patrol will operate under Instinctive Behaviour rules which more or less means the player isn't playing.

The one exception is Genestealers, which don't have instinctive behaviour, however it is very limiting to make 500 points of a 1,250 army as Genestealers. They don't have any shooting, for example.

So I have to say Nay unless some special exception can be made for Tyranids.

**Ketara**

If I recall, Warriors can be used, as 2 wounds are allowed. Generally, combat patrol is no 2+ saves, no more than 2 wounds, and no armour value more than 33 combined.

**Kilkrazy**

I'll check the exact rules then.

**Tek**

Is that front armour combined?

Also I'm not sure if I like the idea of building on the previous list untouched. I don't mind sticking to the same units for each list, but if we could re-gear each squad for each new list I'd be happier. For instance buying a PF or a lascannon or something.

**ArbitorIan**

All armour combined on a single vehicle.

So, a Rhino has a combined AV of 32 (11, 11, 10)

But a Land Raider has 42 (14, 14, 14)

**Kilkrazy**

Warriors have three wounds.

if the rule is two wounds I am stuck with a poor selection of units.

Biovore, Pyrovore, Zoeanthrope, Venomthrope, Tyrant Guard all have two wounds. Only the Zoe is a Synapse creature.

The Combat Patrol rules were in 4th weren't they? Any chance of a "summary"being circulated? My 4th edition rulebook is in Japan.

**reds8n**

Tyranid warriors have 3Ws in this codex

neither the current rules of codices are really suited for that level.

**SilverMK2**

I skipped 4th edition, so have no idea what is going on

I will PM Ketera my list so he can check it falls within the rules. Well, I will do when I get round to writing one