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**reds8n**

I have the rules here in fact...

..and now, so do you !

**SilverMK2**

Woo! And also free printing at work

**ChrisWWII**

So wait....are we using the Combat Patrol rules only, or are we using the additional rules Ketara posted earlier for the 500 pts game?

**Kilkrazy**

Ketara's Combat Patrol rules are the same as the 4th edition Combat Patrol rules.

My concern is that 5th edition Tyranids don't really work in Combat Patrol.

I don't think I can even create a legal Combat Patrol 500 list without just using buckets full of Termagants and Hormagaunts.

There's only one unit in the Tyranid Codex which is Synapse and under 3 W -- the Zoanthrope. I can take one Brood of them as my Elite slot, which means I will have two Zoes. Kill them and the army falls apart.

I won't be able to take any MCs or HQ, which stops me from taking any more Elites.

Then I need to take 76 Gants for my troops. I can't take a Tervigon in Troops because it is a 6W creature.

I only want to take about 20-30 Gants in my army, because my other units -- none of which I can use in Combat Patrol -- are so expensive that I can't spare a lot of points for Gants.

I don't have anywhere near enough Gants to make up the numbers.

To make it clear, while I think the idea is good and fun, it seems difficult to make it work with the Tyranid codex, because they don't have any vehicles and very few support weapons except on 3+ W creatures.

**Tek**

Let's make some special rules for Cary Grant, eh?
It sounds like you're having a pretty tough time dude. I haven't even started thinking about mine yet. Other than war walker or vyper?

**Snarky**

that'll be an aye for me

**Kilkrazy**

I wouldn't mind so much fielding a horde of Instinctive creatures as long as

A. It is bigger than 500 points, to reflect that fact that it will not be commanded.

It might be quite amusing for everyone to have to fight off a "combat patrol" consisting of about 100 minor Tyranid creatures.

B. I don't have to use the same horde in my proper army.

**Panic**

yeah,
I like the escalation Idea. but,
I don't think we need to apply the combat patrol rules.

If at 1000pts and 1250pts we have to use the same units exactly as already used in the previous round, the first 500pts choices will already be quiet limited...

Also the first game could be at 750pts?

Panic...

**ArbitorIan**

That's actually quite a good point. If the escalation idea is generally favoured (as it looks like it is), then using Combat Patrol rules only complicates things.

Could we keep Escalation, start at a low points value like 500 or 750, but just do away with the Combat Patrol thing? So just a general 500/750pt army, with minimum 1HQ and 2Troops etc.

This would also make the 'no changes to squad options' rule more acceptable, as there won't be as many differences between the 'selection criteria' for a 750 pt game or a 1250pt one.

**Panic**

yeah,
I think the 500/750pts game should have a modified FOC because elite armies will struggle to fit 1HQ 2Troops in...

I'd propose;

0-1 HQ
1-6 Troops
0-3 Heavy/Elite/fastAttack

Panic...

**Albatross**

Oh balls. I'd love to come to this. I had a wicked time at Silver Sorceror - would be awesome to meet back up with the Dakkites I've already met and to meet new ones!

However, I think it's probably going to be too much of a big, expensive mission for me to get to Kent....

Oh by the way notprop - I think I was wrong about the ordnance rules. Sorry. To be fair, I'd had about 4-5 pints by that time!

**notprop**

You should come along Alb and drag Matty with you, it might be nice for him to game in a civilised part of the country where ther are no Scruffy gypo's to borrow his army for the night!

Re the ordnance, I must have had 4-5 pints as well as I can not recall the issue?

**Ketara**

The list writing rules have been modified appropriately. Does this meet with everyones approval?

**notprop**

Looks good to me Ben.

Seems like it mitigates the issues KK raised.

**reds8n**

For user ease..

Escalation-Here's how it works!

So when writing out your army list, write out a 500 point list. Standard force chart is modified slightly here, you only need a minimum of 1 Troops choice. However, you cannot take more than 1 each of the HQ, Elites, Fast Attack and Heavy Support slot, or more than 3 troops choices overall.

Then you need to write out your 1000 point list. But here's the catch:- The first 500 points is the 500 points you took for combat patrol. None of those units can be taken out or modified in any way. You cannot upgrade any of the units that were in the original 500 points in any way(so adding weapons, sergeants, etc). The one exception to this is allowing units to purchase dedicated transports. The remaining 500 points must be selected in accordance with the standard force organization chart. In other words, if you only had 1 troops and no HQ choice in your original 500 points, you would now need to purchase them as a minimum.

I still think it would just be easier to have people write a 500 point list -- even using these rules perhaps -- I don't really see how the escalation does anything except leave some players unable to spend the full amount of points and therefore playing at a handicap for no good reason I can think of.

**ChrisWWII**

Looks good to me. I assume this means that the AV restrictions have been removed along with the wound ones?

**Ketara**

That is correct, all av and wound restrictions have been removed. Red, the reason I kept escalation is because the majority Ayes were in favour. I think the fact it forces you to construct your list a little differently is one of the reasons people like it.

On a side note gents, we have 10 people registered, with another 3 expected to be attending but as of yet unconfirmed, Panic, Rinkydink, and Titan-Princeps should all be attending. That would give us an odd number, but I've arranged for a friend to come in solely for the Saturday, and drop out when Chris does, giving us 14 players on Day 1, and 12 on Day 2.

**SilverMK2**

So, you can take MC's, special characters etc now as well?

*is a bit confused*

(May just be being a bit special)

**Kilkrazy**

SilverMK2 wrote:So, you can take MC's, special characters etc now as well?

*is a bit confused*

(May just be being a bit special)

Yes.

The trouble was the 4th Edition Combat Patrol rules cripple the 5th Edition Tyranid Codex. There were some other issues as well.

**Rinkydink**

Ketara, check your paypal account, you've been paid!

**ArbitorIan**

Quick question regarding Escalation with Guard.

The rules state that each unit must be equipped identically as we 'go up' points levels. How does this affect Infantry Platoons?

If i have a Platoon of 1 PCS and 2 Infantry Squads, can i add a couple of Heavy Weapon Squads to it in the next size game? An infantry platoon is not a unit, merely a FOC choice which comproses multiple units, so as long as I keep the 1 PCS and Infantry Squads identical, I fulfill the Escalation requirements, correct?

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Actually, this reading does fall in line with the rule that you can add transports - you're not allowed to modify a 'unit', but adding transports is merely adding another unit to the same FOC slot, which IS allowed.

Same with Infantry platoons?

**Ketara**

That is correct, you may add squads to an Infantry Platoon. However, you'd be unable to add a plasma gun to a squad to you took in a previous game. The trick is here is that you basically cannot upgrade squads. Adding new ones, or transports, is allowed.

Edited you in Mark.

I'll have the missions and points limits all finalised in the next week, so you chaps can all start list building furiously. As such, if there's any modifications you'd like to see made, now is the time to suggest them.

**notprop**

So the hotel is booked just need the weather sort itself out in the next few weeks.

Hmmmm whats left, oh yes an army that works on multiple points and the odd (lots of) painting!

**SilverMK2**

Do we have a postcode/address/etc so that we know where we are going?

I need something for my satnav to guide me with

Also, there is no way I will be able to paint up my Eldar in time, so I will be bringing my CSM instead (hey, at least I have played with them before

).

**reds8n**

The building we're playing in is just behind Darwin College, postcode for that is CT2 7NY.

**SilverMK2**

Cheers reds8n.

Edit: I assume there is parking available? Any idea of costs on that if it is metered?

**reds8n**

There is, it will be free.

**SilverMK2**

Woo!

More money for buying pizza for the pizza gods then

**reds8n**

.... damn it, I could have cleaned up there quite nicely

A pox on you honesty !

**SilverMK2**

I might be able to sacrifice a slice