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shrike wrote:

Luco wrote:Makes sense? Well no, but it followed the only rule that GW seems to follow.

what rule is that? MEQ must be the best? MEQ must have the most OP and OTT units? I bet it's something like that...

lol, I'm sure that that's on the list of them to be sure! Rule of 'hey that ounds cool, doesnt make sense but it makes for an epic type character so lets do it!' of course, it depends on your viewpoint, but it fits it to me.

As I always point out when it comes to Mephiston, I can't wait until Black Templars get our 5th ed. 'dex. Grimaldus survived having not just any building, but an entire temple dedicated to the Emperor, dropped on him. While he didn't have the Black Rage to combat, I'm sure we can pull something just as arbitrary out of our collective behinds to justify giving him 8 wounds with EW or something silly like that, no?

YA! Might as well give him T6 and Eternal warrior too!

lol, well while we're at it, lets get Deathwing Terminators 2-3 wounds, T5, FNP and eternal warrior, after all it only takes 6 of them to liberate a planet.

Wait? 6 of them liberated a planet!?

Footsloggin wrote:Wait? 6 of them liberated a planet!?

A lone squad and a terminator librarian returned to their homeworld to find it had been overrun by Genestealers, 50 years prior according to lexi, and they painted their armor bone white to symbolize that they were dead men walking before embarking on their campaign to free the world. In the end they cut through them and fought the largest genestealer any had encountered before, though it meant the death of the Librarian, but they liberated the planet. In honor of this squad the Deathwing now paints their armor bone white and every scout learns of it upon his elevation from Scout to Brother. The battle is known as the "Tale of Two Heads Talking" ( Pg. 16 Codex: Dark Angels)

the easiest way to kill meph is with old zogwart

I pissed the hell out of a guy the other day when I turned Marneus Calgar into a squig

****in hilarious

Uhhhh, I'm pretty sure Mephiston is as strong as he is, to represent the secret power of the black rage. If a Blood Angel is strong enough to overcome the curse of Sanguinius then their Gene-Seed fully-awakens (I'm guessing on that, but I'm pretty sure they mention Mephiston's Gene-Seed fully awakening).

It's pretty dumb. To me, the worst of it is all those poor Chaos marines who traded their souls to cost nearly as much but be T4 (5) with no eternal warrior and poo initiative.

GW, you suck at quality control as far as rules go.

Ok personally Mephiston is my FAVORITE model of all time. My Mephiston has chewed through so much. In 1 tournament he killed almost 1500pts of stuff in 3 games. First game he chewed through 2 Trygons, a Hive Tyrant, and a squad of 10 gaunts. I think GW was just trying to give Space Marines a Demon Prince type character.

As to the OP's original question. Apparently when you overcome the Red Thirst/Black Rage you become a super Space Marine. So basically if the Blood Angels learned to overcome the Red Thirst/Black Rage we would have an entire chapter of WS 6 BS 5 S 6 T 6 W 3 I 7 A 3 LD 10 Sv 3+/2+ (first ones normal Space Marines, second one is Terminators).

Yeah because thats what happens when Blood Angels get really really mad!

theduncan wrote:the easiest way to kill meph is with old zogwart

I pissed the hell out of a guy the other day when I turned Marneus Calgar into a squig

****in hilarious

Meph is immune to that spell though. On the plus side if he was an Independent Character, and thus able to be hit by Zog's curse, he could hide with a termie squad with a sang priest in a Land Raider.

n0t_u wrote:Nope, I'm actually wondering why the BA aren't considered a renegade chapter yet.

Mainly cause of sanguinius, Im guessing the imperium is willing to turn a blind eye to most of there actions cause itd be pretty devastating to morale if the scions of sanguinius went renegade.


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AgeOfEgos wrote:Remember, background/fluff.....not tactics guys .

The fluff basically states his gene seed being dormant, coupled with the Black Rage caused some physical transformation. It also states '...when he mastered the Black Rage something altogether more terrible took its place.". Given his Daemon Prince states, I'm thinking maybe....

Anyways, it's Ward. His fluff is over the top, I wouldn't let it eat you up.

My thoughts exactly, it also goes on about how when fighting a famous bloodthirster ( I think the same one sanguinius killed during the HH ), that it mentioned to him that hes firmly on the path to daemonhood. I mean technically from the chaos gods standpoint if the head librarian of the blood angels gets killed and they resurrect him and attempt to corrupt him with warp influence and he succumbs not only would they gain a powerful tool but he could corrupt other blood angels / wreak havoc on the remaining loyalists, which could just be the chaos gods way of getting even with sanguinius for scratching horus's armours paint job. Not being a wargamer I have no idea what any of the stats mean xD

theduncan wrote:the easiest way to kill meph is with old zogwart

I pissed the hell out of a guy the other day when I turned Marneus Calgar into a squig

****in hilarious

I was wondering just last week about wether I should renew my old ork army, just to buy zogwort and some people off.

It's pretty flatly stated, and implied through his statline, that Mephiston is posessed. I don't see how this comes as a shock to so many of you.

No the shock is how they get away with all the BS.

like what? inconsistent fluff? I thought that kind of tripe was par for the course with GW. they are consistently inconsistent.

Hiding the Baal Predator STC
Modifying the engines of all the vehicles in the army
Black Rage
Meph most likely possessing daemonic powers
The Sanguinor being pretty much a Daemon

There are probably more, but the Inquisition has gone after chapters for less than that. They should at least be fairly suspicious of the Chapter.

Oh good Lord. Stop trying to kill him with lone characters or units worth 130pts. Feed him to a unit of TH/SS assault terminators, one of the most common units in the game, and he will drop faster than a Prom Date after a Redbull and Vodka.

And label one of the most iconic chapters in all of the astartes as heretics? Naww, that would piss off the fanboys too much!!
I'm sure they have inquisitors barking at their doorstep, mitigated only by the decrees of the emperor. there's a couple successors that are already renegade.

DarthDiggler wrote:Oh good Lord. Stop trying to kill him with lone characters or units worth 130pts. Feed him to a unit of TH/SS assault terminators, one of the most common units in the game, and he will drop faster than a Prom Date after a Redbull and Vodka.

hmm, true. how long will the combat last?
turn 1:
termies take 0.7 wounds (4.3 left)
meph takes 2.7 wounds (2.3 left)
turn 2:
termies take 0.7 wounds (3.6 left)
meph takes 1.9 wounds (0.4 left)
turn 3:
termies take 0.7 wounds (2.9 left)
meph takes 1.6 wounds (dead).
termies kill him in 3 turns.

shrike wrote:

DarthDiggler wrote:Oh good Lord. Stop trying to kill him with lone characters or units worth 130pts. Feed him to a unit of TH/SS assault terminators, one of the most common units in the game, and he will drop faster than a Prom Date after a Redbull and Vodka.

hmm, true. how long will the combat last?
turn 1:
termies take 0.7 wounds (4.3 left)
meph takes 2.7 wounds (2.3 left)
turn 2:
termies take 0.7 wounds (3.6 left)
meph takes 1.9 wounds (0.4 left)
turn 3:
termies take 0.7 wounds (2.9 left)
meph takes 1.6 wounds (dead).
termies kill him in 3 turns.

It's more like 2. You can't have 0.4 wounds and rounding it basically means he's down in 2 turns.
The point is though not everyone plays SM and need a way of taking him out.

lol, forget zoggy can only kill independent characters, sorry!

On an unrelated note, I just turned Abbadon and a Daemon Prince into squigs last game.

I love zoggy.

+1. I love the way he can just get rid of a noob's prize mary sue in a turn without lifting a finger.

theduncan said: lol, forget zoggy can only kill independent characters, sorry!

On an unrelated note, I just turned Abbadon and a Daemon Prince into squigs last game.

A Daemon Prince isn't an Independent Character.

oops

Meh, the people whining about meph are pretty hilarious, and bad players imo.

Mephiston is terrible, and ridiculously easy to play around, let alone kill.

I guess bad players who cannot set up/deny assaults turns beforehand get owned by a terrible overcosted model.

he's an in-the-closet greater demon, hopefully, he'll come out in 6th and that chapter of world eate- I mean Blood Angels will finally be stamped out.

Not sure where I read it, but overcoming the Black Rage re-activated his gene seed which reinvigorated him. So essentially, he's running around with a double dose of marine.

kill dem stunties wrote:Meh, the people whining about meph are pretty hilarious, and bad players imo.

Mephiston is terrible, and ridiculously easy to play around, let alone kill.

I guess bad players who cannot set up/deny assaults turns beforehand get owned by a terrible overcosted model.

Indeed, that's the reason that I don't usually take him, as it's far too easy to lose a 250 point investment to someone who knows his weaknesses. Not to say he's worthless by any means, but 250 points can be spent on a lot more that often seems the better choice. Plus, any army that includes legitimate anti-psyker capability totally ruins his day, generally speaking.

Though, when he manages to run roughshod over the opposition, I have to admit that it's pure hilarity for me.

As for his fluff, well, he has conquered the Black Rage, he's a psyker of near unprecedented power, has centuries of experience, and is more spiritually aligned with the legacy of Sanguinius than any other Blood Angel ever has been. Apparently that makes you a three meter tall flying monstrous creature, but too cheap to buy an iron halo, and too cool to join squads; and since no other character has ever had the same experiences, well, I guess we just have to accept that.

As for those who said Chaos worshipers don't get as good a reward... Have you read the fluff? The 'rewards' of Chaos are rarely even a double edged sword. They're typically your entire existence and everything you ever cared about is now ruined! But one of your stats is now higher and you get a cursed weapon that helps you 'most' of the time. You're also a hideous disgusting freak who now knows that nothing but soulless entropy and eternal horror awaits. Wow, where do I sign up for that? Sounds awesome...

Brother Heinrich wrote:he's an in-the-closet greater demon, hopefully, he'll come out in 6th and that chapter of world eate- I mean Blood Angels will finally be stamped out.

Sorry to burst your bubble but The BA have been around since RT and in that era you had like 3 or 4 BA chapters out of a dozen. Are they going to get rid of BA? hell no. That's about as likely as them retconning ultras.
If the BL releases are anything to go by, Mephiston's arc will either see him killed and the BA's go on.. Or he was never posessed and his miraculous tale of super astartes glory makes you go "What a twist!" shyamalan style.