Sisters of Battle WD part 2

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**H.B.M.C.**

Brother SRM wrote:Dude, I'm pretty sure you're like 5-10 points off.

Don't you mean "Off by 1-3 Servo-Skulls"?

**ceorron**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Dominions cost the same amount as 7 Rhinos + a Land Raider divided by the square root of the distance between Mars and Jupiter multiplied by the cube root of Draigo.

What that is 1.4563 more than they cost already if my cube root of Draigo is accurate.

Seriousely i'm head in my hands if there is a points increase, I just can't bare to think about it really. We must be trolled here, we must.

**aka_mythos**

Well that might be a fault of the Grey Hunter and not the SoB... just saying.

**Brother SRM**

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Don't you mean "Off by 1-3 Servo-Skulls"?

Actually, I'm pretty sure I was off by about 7 searchlights. My bad.

**Ixquic**

ceorron wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Dominions cost the same amount as 7 Rhinos + a Land Raider divided by the square root of the distance between Mars and Jupiter multiplied by the cube root of Draigo.

What that is 1.4563 more than they cost already if my cube root of Draigo is accurate.

Seriousely i'm head in my hands if there is a points increase, I just can't bare to think about it really. We must be trolled here, we must.

I'm lost as to what the point is. No one is going to rush out to buy incredibly expensive models for this when a month ago they got better rules with the free PDF and current Sisters players certainly aren't updating their lists to work into this. Like what's their goal here?

**Brother SRM**

So they can say they updated every pre-4th ed codex by the time 6th ed rolls around. That and the idea that they're giving us a playtest codex, and trying to put more content into WD to boost sales.

**puma713**

Brother SRM wrote: trying to put more content into WD to boost sales.

This.

**Mythal**

aka_mythos wrote:Your sentiments underscore why GW stopped doing these WD rules, people want them, until they have them, and then they don't.

But I didn't want them. I mean, I can only speak for myself - but then, your post seems to be speaking for all Sisters of Battle players, so I suppose that's okay. After the thick end of a decade of the C:WH rules, I was more than content to wait for a proper Codex. I mean, three years? When you've waited eight? Sure, why not. Just throw out a FAQ that makes SoB obey the new USRs rather than their old, custom versions, if you're really worried about the impact they're having on 5th Edition game balance, and Bob's your uncle.

Really. I didn't ask for, or want, a Chapter Approved Codex. And I've yet to meet a fellow Sisters player who was happy at the idea we were getting this pamphlet rather than a book release. So whoever these 'people' you're referring to are, the ones who asked GW for this with an almost My-Little-Pony-esque naiveté, can you tell them from me that from hell's heart, I stab at them? Oh! And that for hate's sake, I spit the last breath of my poor Order Minoris at them? Cheers!

**ceorron**

puma713 wrote:
Brother SRM wrote: trying to put more content into WD to boost sales.

This.

But is more "bad" rules really going to fly with people long term, continue like this and it more than likely will see off white dwarf not improve sales.

**Ixquic**

Brother SRM wrote:So they can say they updated every pre-4th ed codex by the time 6th ed rolls around. That and the idea that they're giving us a playtest codex, and trying to put more content into WD to boost sales.

But does anyone actually care about "every codex updated before 6th?" I mean it doesn't matter to players since most are only concerned with the army they play, not the other ones they don't. Management and investors only care about profits not some nebulous "every army is now 5th edition ready" or whatever. Players that actually play the books aren't so stupid they can't see past a technicality; this isn't a codex and isn't even a proper codex update; it's a nonsensical mess created by a person that has apparently never used the army or even listened to complaints of people that do.

In regards to White Dwarf sales I'm not sure that people are going to be so keen for their list to be given the "Magazine treatment" if it means that they get screwed. The last one sold well since we didn't know what was coming and the idea of a White Dwarf codex was novel and we wanted to see what was in store. This thing is in no way going to boost future sales.

EDIT: Update heavy flamer is 20 points which is the same cost as Grey Knights pay for a strength 6 version. Totally reasonable given the many benefits of the Sister's new codex.

**sharkticon**

Ha! 12 points, I called it in the last thread! Stop thinking in terms of what would be fair, but how GW costs things. The Henchmen entry in the GK codex gives us a nice view into how they think. They really think that power armor on a t3 guy is worth 9 points, and that a bolter on a bs 3 guy is worth 3 points (I may be wrong on that one, I do not have the codex with me). There was no way they were going to let a model with power armor, bolter, and a 6++ go for less than 12 points. I'm not saying it's fair, I'm saying it's how they think.

**Ixquic**

I think the bolter upgrade is only 1 point because it's what my friend uses when he makes cheap squads to spam Razorbacks. But yeah the 3+ save on a crap statline model is absurdly overpriced.

I'm also not totally surprised. Just look at Fantasy 8th edition to see how GW thinks that 6+ invuls are totally awesome and worth designing a game around. I'm guessing that they use crappy cheap dice that roll 1s and 6s more often than statistically they should when they play test.

I hope they have the new "Hey please send us your feedback!" email link in this month's copy. I know it's pointless but sending a complaint will at least feel cathartic.

**Melissia**

Lol, celestians and battle sisters,, despite being worse than before, are now more expensive than before too. Seraphim are also worse, but they're cheaper to match. Too much cheaper in fact, fifteen pionts? Might as well just spam them and throw them away rather than use them tactically.

All the trollish claims certain people made that my negativity was akin to saying "the sky is falling" look even more amusingly stupid.

**Ixquic**

Excuse me Celestians have +1A and frags geez that makes them CC queens.

**timetowaste85**

cygnnus wrote:Wow... So that wasn't an earthquake we got hit by yesterday, it was because the collective community of Sisters' players suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened.

That or Melissia read the thread...

It'll be interesting to see the apologists spin this one, assuming of course, it's accurate...

Valete,

JohnS

HAHAHAH. +1 buddy. Over and over. Two great laughs in a row-Star Wars AND the other one

I shant speak it, to call attention to myself...

**wyomingfox**

A collection of posts from Warseer's n4345444 that were in the WD 2 rumor thread:

Good evening long time lurker first time poster: unfortunately the news is not great (less than ideal I guess you could call it) in regards to the following questions

Blessed ammo - does not exist in the White Dwarf Codex (WDC) Inferno bolts come as standard with immolator Twinlinked heavy bolter weapon choice and allow the heavy bolter to reroll wounds
Laud Hailer - When any sister of battle unit within 12 inches of the laud hailer successfully get off an act of faith you roll a d6, on a six you immediately get 1 additional faith point. As far as I can see laud hailers can only be taken by the Sororitas command squad Dialogus
Sarissas - no longer exists.

There are only 18 pieces of gear total for the army - this includes Dozer Blade, EA, Hunter killer missile, Storm bolter and Search light upgrades for vehicles...

Question: whether there are special units that give an additional Troops option (similar to Dante et al),

Answer: No there are not. You do need to a generic confessor or Kyrinov or Uriah to unlock Battle conclave, but there is no unit or character that allows the unlocking or recatergorising of other units.

On a side note Battle conclaives are unit size 3-10 all members cost the same amount as each other (think old school dominion melta gun) and the Arco flagilent got a strenght bost to 5 ( thats from last month when he was only strength 4.

Sororitas Command Squads are maximum size 5

The Simulacrum Imperialis, alows you to reroll failed act of faith tests...

Question: Is blessed weapon still an option for canoness?

Answer: No it is not there anymore. Twinlinked heavy bolter weapon choice and allow the heavy bolter to reroll wounds.

Question: Does this weapon count as a twin-linked weapon for shooting reasons or does it only get to re-roll to wound?

Answer: Gets to reroll to hit for being twin linked, gets to re roll to wound for having inferno bolts

Question: I'm interested to know of Repentias or seraphs can take Simulacra or not?

Answer: No they cannot, either of them, although Seraphs have the reroll faith built in – it will not be possible to stack rerolls as they don’t have the option of taking simulacra.

Question: Does a Battle Conclave take up a FOC slot of its own? And are you limited to one Battle Conclave squad per Confessor?

Answer: The Conclave does not take up a slot itself but you can only take 1 squad (3-10 models) per confessor, be he named or generic.

Blessed banner - unit within 12 rerolls failed moral and pinning tests, while bearer is alive unit counts as having scoured one extra wound in combat.
Chain sword - NC
Churgeons tools - FNP to unit
Combi Weps - NC
Condemnor Boltgun - sounds cool , is actually just the bolter stake crosbow combi weap from C:WH S5 Assault 1
Evicerator NC
Frag grenades NC
Nural whip - Strenght 8 but tests against Ld not T - still acts as a power wep
Rosarius - NC but at least we get to use it
Storm shield - NC 3+ invuln no 2 hand wep bonus...

Cannoness went up in cost and now cannot take a junp pack - profound sadness. Eviserator cost NC. Cannoness can get chainsword, Storm bolter, PSword, Combi wep, Plaspistol, Inferno Pistol, Eviserator, rosaruis, and melta bombs - that is an exaustive list. And no she cannot take a storm shield.

There is also a preacher model on the SoB webstore with a plasma gun, do we get that too? - Confessors can still get Plas gun , shot gun bolt gun, Storm Bolter, combi wep, PSword - they come with Chainsword and las pistol as standard

Confessor and Battle conclave count as a single HQ choice...

Battle conclaves can take either rhinos or immolators and multimelta now are quite reasonable (thing the old CWH BSister Squad melta cost reasonable)

Repentia can not take dedicated transports but it looks like you can buy a transport seperate and then load them into it during the first turn - provided that they dont run screaming at an enemy that they can see - Im looking at you ork deth coptas...

Immolator cost is NC
No Blessed Weapons at all.
Heavy Flamer is now double the cost [20 pts] of a MultiMelta [10 pts]...

Executioner NC, no cloak, same high cost of the Heavy flamer is across the board for bss,cs,ds and rs. All of the above except ds can take mm and hb...

Squads have to be purchased with the Sister superior, They have a base cost for 4 sister and a SSuperior with an option to purchase more sisters for x amount. THe exception is the BSS which come with 9 BS and 1 SS with an option to buy an additional 10 sisters. They cost the same as a CWH heavy flamer with the cost of the first 10 models being ten heavy flamers and a storm bolter in the CWH costs...

[In regards to the last sentence]Stupid veiled speech HF cost the same as the old Ordo hereticus Psychic power Hammer of the Witches [20 pts]. The squad itself cost 6 times that + 5 points [125pts].

Light of the Emperor is BSS only

**Melissia**

aka_mythos wrote:The concensus seemed to be they were underpriced...

That's because "the consensus" was made by noobs who have no damn clue what they're talking about.

**Da Boss**

Yeah, for sure. I'm glad someone made the Grey Hunter/Sister comparison.

6 Sisters vs. 5 Grey Hunters, I know who my money is on.

**BuFFo**

Melissia wrote:
aka_mythos wrote:The concensus seemed to be they were underpriced...
That's because "the consensus" was made by noobs who have no damn clue what they're talking about.

As always...

I can't wait till I can buy an entire Finecast army!

**Ixquic**

Da Boss wrote:Yeah, for sure. I'm glad someone made the Grey Hunter/Sister comparison.

6 Sisters vs. 5 Grey Hunters, I know who my money is on.

Yeah this has pretty much cemented my opinion that the company no longer has any clue what it's doing. I'm glad I don't play any more of its worthless systems although I was hoping this would get me back in since I still know people that are into them.

**Manchu**

Kanluwen wrote:Inquisition is Grey Knight territory now. Sorry, but if you want to field Inquisition--you're playing from Codex: Grey Knights.

Just as predicted!

**Ixquic**

To be fair that one was made pretty clear when the included Kamirazov in the Grey Knights book and the first half of the codex didn't have any Inquisitor slots. I'm not that bummed about that specific reduction since until the Witch Hunters book they weren't really super close anyway.

**Sersi**

aka_mythos wrote:

And this is one reason GW stopped doing these... at best with WD's publication cycle this codex is 2-3 months old before we get to look at it. This means what we're seeing is old, and it is at best 9 or more months of developement out from an actual book. That makes it a very early draft.

People want a new codex and they want GW to be more open about their development... this is GW being more open with development of the new codex, but its incomplete. Its silly to imagine something this far away from an actually being published in book form would be have matured more than this.

Your sentiments underscore why GW stopped doing these WD rules, people want them, until they have them, and then they don't.

Um...no. If GW wanted feedback, or more open about codex development; then they would post experimental rules up on their site like, say Forgeworld. They would setup an email address or some other method for receiving said feedback. This was about putting something...anything in WD that was less blatant advertising. Do you honestly believe that actual effort was put into this?

I'm sorry, I don't mean to sound harsh. But people need to stop with this "GW's look for feedback"...."oh its a test codex business". It's speculation. We have no evidence for that and it's wishful thinking. If they wanted feedback they would have asked for it.

**Mythal**

Sersi wrote:I'm sorry, I don't mean to sound harsh. But people need to stop with this "GW's look for feedback"...."oh its a test codex business". It's speculation. We have no evidence for that and it's wishful thinking. If they wanted feedback they would have asked for it.

Don't worry, it doesn't sound harsh - just rational.

**SagesStone**

Wouldn't uploading experimental rules on their site require a lack of fear of the internet?

I'm actually kind of glad that I brought the WH codex, seems to have gone downhill a bit more from there.

**sharkticon**

The good news is that you can create a somewhat reliable, stable faith system, take a laud hailer, protector of the faith, and a veteran sister, and a SI in every squad and you should be able to get faith powers off on the majority of your squads regardless of what you rolled for your faith points. It's just a little pricey.

**Ixquic**

What is a Protector if the Faith? Laudhailers seem to be command units only so you can only get two per army.

**sharkticon**

Protector of the Faith is the special character that lets you reroll your faith point dice. You take him to up your initial faith per turn, start by using faith near the laud hailer to replenish faith, and the SI and veteran lets you get powers off on a 4+ rerollable, it's nto perfect, but it should let you get off most of the powers you need, while being somewhat stable.

**ShumaGorath**

Melissia wrote:Lol, celestians and battle sisters,, despite being worse than before, are now more expensive than before too. Seraphim are also worse, but they're cheaper to match. Too much cheaper in fact, fifteen pionts? Might as well just spam them and throw them away rather than use them tactically.

All the trollish claims certain people made that my negativity was akin to saying "the sky is falling" look even more amusingly stupid.

A broken clock is still right twice a day.

**Ixquic**

Oh yeah that guy.

It seems to me that there is no reason that every army shouldn't auto include him and Saint Celestine if she is indeed between 100 and 120 points and the standard Cannoness is 75 base.