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Hmmm.. The battleforce is that bad?

well when I first started orks I did so with the battle of blackreach (but due to an accident Ie tripping while getting some models out for one game) shattered my deffkoptas and I never really bothered repairing them (still on my major to do list) I tried nobz and do love them, but Often I rarely throw them in until larger point games around 1500+. They are fantastic but too expensive points wise at lower games. Also more recently ive been dropping my Warbosses for Big Meks, without the nob squads in lower games, his only real benifit is his 3 wounds and a str 10 powerclaw which rarely is that more impressive than what a nob has at low point games.

But I clung to one thing early, Boyz. You can never have too many boyz, Nobz are great but but your basic ork boy has quite a few things going for them (2 attacks base, toughness 4) give them a slugga and they get an extra or a shoota and you get to shoot constantly (even if their accuracy, makes it more comical and fun than effective) And on a charge, they get str 4 and 3 attacks (before equipment), are fearless if above 11 models and for only 6 points per model! thats a steal!. I went with large volumes of boyz first but learned, 20 is probably the ideal size for footsloggers in smaller point games. They have to get through quite alot before you will ever need to take a ld test. and even then it can be equal to the number of boyz in the squad.

One thing you nailed quickly, powerclaws. Best 25 points you can spend, unless your going for a themed character, throw a power claw on everything that can take it (save for in a nob squad where depending on size 1-3 will do) A nob in a boyz squad cant be targeted separately so your opponent knows those 3 (if you didnt charge) power claw attacks will be coming his way at str 8 ignoring his armor. Cutting down marines and often dealing the major blow consistently to your enemies.


One thing if you want to use that trukk as something other than a trukk, a krafty mek (Ie kitbasher and converter) could say mount a big gun on it and count it as a looted wagon with boomgun, for 105 points bare, you get a str8 ap3 large blast every turn and while sometimes it may not do what you want it to, its a decent support gun.

I've already learned not to underestimate boyz thanks to a friend of mine. He runs footslogging orks really well.

Power fists in general are amazing upgrades to any squad. I love powerfists, and I try to throw one in every squad. That will never change for me, no matter what army I play.

Would you care to give me some ideas for a good, 750pt Ork army?

Demdiddydizzy wrote:Hmmm.. The battleforce is that bad?

If you were going to do a large army and use it all, could be worse. but its really not great value for what you get at all.

Orks can be a very cheap army to build because the AoBR boyz are so cheap, as are the deffkoptas, one box of nobs gives you lots of spares, as does the loota/burner kit. orks are very easy to customise. Infact the only unit that cost a lot are the battlewagons adn Meganobs. But wagons can be converted if you really dont wanna spend that much.

I'll try a list. give me 5

Thanks! Can't wait to see the list you create!

I feel so bad now, having given away my AoBR orks when I got AoBR.

do you still want nobz, its hard in 750 though?

Well for 750 what I ran last at that (was while I still went footslogger only)

20 Slugga boyz 170 pts
nob w/bosspole and pk rokkit launcha

15 shootas 140
Nob w/ bosspole and pk rokkit launcha (i dont like big shootas anymore, they dont add that much firepower. Id rather miss more but be better when I do hit)

15 shootas 140 pts
Nob w/ bosspole and pk rokkit launcha

Big Mek with Kustom force field 90
shoota/skorcha kombi weapon (had 5 extra points)

Looted Wagon w/ boomgun 105

2 deffkoptas w/tl rokkit launchas and buzzsaw (105)

(750)

This is just one combination I might play at 750
Gives you decent anti armor (at least what youd be likely to encounter at this point level) with many power claws and rokkits, the boomgun can offer fun if not random suppourt that can be very lethal, and the big mek gives cover to your large mass of boyz. This also gives you 3 scoring units for objective games (even if often its best to kill the enemy then just claim his one or two)

I would start for a Green Tide,
At least 3 squads of these;
20 Sluggas, Nob with PK/Bosspole
20 Shootas, 2 big shootas, Nob with PK/Bosspole
3 of those should be about 500
Then add a Big Mek with a KFF. putting you at 575-605
With the remaining you could get more boyz or some kanz. Maybe some Kommandos or Bikes what ever your fancy.

Both of these lists seem like they could do some damage! I could ask my friend to borrow his orks to play a game or two with there lists. Thank you both!

Not a problem ^^. Happy to help other ork players! Combined our waaagh!! will crush any foolish 'umies under our boots, which we stole from them....ta krush dem wit... under 'em.........

><'

Mek KFF 95.
20 Shootas PK, BP 2 Rokkits 180.
20 Shootas Pk, BP 2 Rokkits 180.
10 Gretchin 40.
2 Killa Kans Rokkits 100.
5 Lootas 75.
2 Rokkit Buggy Trakks 80.

750

This ive used a few times its not too bad

Oh lol!

Best part is, considering all the bitz I have, I can ork it up with some SM bits!

yeah, lootas, burnas, looted wagons, shootas, anything

Space marine bitz can work wonders for orks, either as decoration, trophys, or with converting useful parts, also I noticed sometimes the shoulderpads fit on boyz arms... so if you ever make a squad of ard boyz (not always that useful until high point games) you could always part with some spares to add some extra 'protecty plates'

actually i prefer rokkit buggy trakks but ive just seen the price of deffkoptas on ebay its really silly you can get 4 for the price lol


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LunarstudioAvA wrote:Space marine bitz can work wonders for orks, either as decoration, trophys, or with converting useful parts, also I noticed sometimes the shoulderpads fit on boyz arms... so if you ever make a squad of ard boyz (not always that useful until high point games) you could always part with some spares to add some extra 'protecty plates'

yeah also brilliant for making all the AoBR boyz look different

Oh! I have so many ideas now! I hope I can get a decent army of orks then! They sound like a lot of fun to play!

im going to bed, but seriously, look on ebay, i reckon if you swap the buggies for koptas you can make my earlier army list for less than £80, so slightly more than the battleforce. in fact you could make an army cheaper than that if you tried

Alright! have a good night's sleep then! I'll look around.

Power Klaws and Deff Rollas are the best anti tank orks can offer.

A fun tactic I am using is dropping a squad of 19 Gretchin and a Big Melk with a boss pole and a shokk attack gun on an objective, or in the back field in a kill point game. it gives you 21 objective holding wounds for 164 points, and the Orks only source of AP2 shooting. PS, the shokk attack gun has yet to fail in yeilding its points back. The out come of the dice can be hilarious at times, so the entertainment value is high.

I would recommend leaving Warbosses at home. The only way i have used them effectively is on a warbike all by himself.

I cant even begin to express how worth it an 85 point Big Mek with a kustom force field is. He fits in any list, giving the weak ork vehicles a 4+ cover save.

Also, at 1500 points, i would recommend foot slog or speed freaks. At 1500 plus, those two are good, but wagon rushing is my favorite.

Also, my favorite Ork unit is a full unit of Kommandos with Boss Snikrot. Read his ambush rule. Squad enters via reserve rules from ANY table edge. On a turn they enter, if you Waaagh! that turn, they have an eighteen inch assault threat range. on a standard 6x4 table, any thing thats not in the center 1x3 box is open for an ass wooping. Always take 2 burnas, and use em as power weapons (6 attacks on the assault that ignore armor ). Dont take them in a game under 1500 points though, as they are a points sink.

Hope this helps


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A solid 750 list

Big Mek with Kustom Force Field - 85 pts
10 Boyz, 1 Nob with Power Klaw and Boss Pole, Trukk - 141 pts
10 Boyz, 1 Nob with Power Klaw and Boss Pole, Trukk - 141 pts
10 Boyz, 1 Nob with Power Klaw and Boss Pole, Trukk - 141 pts

Big Mek with Shokk Attack Gun and Boss Pole - 100 pts
14 Gretchin, 1 Runtherd - 52 pts

6 Lootas - 90 pts

So, how this list works:
Lootas sit back and pop transports
Big Mek with Shokk Attack Gun sits back in the squad of Gretchin and blows stuff up
Big Mek with Kustom Force Field rides in a trukk with the boys and rushes forward to kill stuff. If a truck is destroyed/immobilized, he gets out and jumps in a different Trukk (thats why each squad is 11 men, not 12)

For 750 points, you get 59 models (Some lists dont even put that many models on the board at 2000 points) all of which work well together and make your opponent take your whole list on. If he focuses on the Boys, the Lootas open the transports and the Shokk Attack Mek Kills the squishies. If he focuses on Lootas, The Shokk Attack Mek opens transports, and the Boys eat squishies. If he focuses on the Shokk Attack Mek, the Lootas open transports and the Boys eat the squishies.

Hope this helps give you ideas

Ohhh Lootas! Those things are scary!

I'll consider this as a possibility, and a really good one in fact! Very nice group right here. I just hope it isn't expensive money wise, I still might be tempted to buy it

With orks id really either go one of two ways, either infantry or mechanized, hard to mix the two effectively. Id go for one or the other but both have alot of freedom in building your lists, the third option is bikers, but they are really well, Often competative but I find them less fun personally as they are more a 'one trick pony' kind of deal.

I mean you have the option to really either go 2 warbosses with 2 nob biker squads as your troops or perhaps a warboss with a nob biker squad, wazdakka and a few normal bike squads for your troops too but I just feel that no matter what else you throw in there, they just are less versatile than id like with my lists.

A kan wall, is another option too but they really arent my thing either.

Eh, I'm not too much a fan of an all Bike army. (which is why I played mixed wing with my DA)

I think more infantry would be better, as I usually play a mechanized force. I want a few Horde armies too.

Demdiddydizzy wrote:I'm basing this army off of the Battleforce. Please, use all of the units in the Battleforce if you tear it apart. Other than that, please give me some advice! I would also love to include some Nobz in this army, so please keep that in mind as well!

HQ:

Ork Warboss w/ Power Klaw, TL Shoota, Attack Squig ... 105

ELITES:

Nobz (6) w/ 2 Power Klaws, Waaaagh! Banner, 2 Kombi Rokkit Launchers, Trukk w/ Red Paint Job + Reinforced Ram ... 235

TROOPS:

Ork Boyz (30) w/ Nob, Power Klaw ... 215

Ork Boyz (30) w/ Nob, Power Klaw ... 215

FAST ATTACK:

Ork Bikers (3) w/ Nob, Bosspole, Power Klaw ... 115

Ork Bikes (3) w/ Nob, Bosspole, Power Klaw ... 115

Total: 999pts

HQ:

Ork Warboss w/ Power Klaw, TL Shoota, Attack Squig ... 105

ELITES:

Nobz (6) w/ 2 Power Klaws, Waaaagh! Banner, 2 Kombi Rokkit Launchers, Trukk w/ Red Paint Job + Reinforced Ram ... 235

TROOPS:

Ork Boyz (30) w/ Nob, Power Klaw ... 215

Ork Boyz (30) w/ Nob, Power Klaw ... 215

FAST ATTACK:

Ork Bikers (3) w/ Nob, Bosspole, Power Klaw ... 115

Deffkoptas (2) w/ One with a Kustom Mega blasta, one with a Rokkit Launcha, and both with bigbomms ... 115

Total: 999pts

Not a bad list, few tune ups:

1.Cybork the warboss.

2.You should just put all of your boyz in trukks too.

3. Your nob squad is a bit screwed up, it should look like this:

PK Waaghh BP
PK
Stock Nob
Big choppa
Big Choppa Combi scorcha
Painboy

all should have cybork bodies.

You need to undersand wound diversification and assignment better. You do not get to spread wounds unless each model is unique, that is the whole point of nobs. You are doing it wrong.

4. Drop the bikes and grab some lootas or rokkit buggies. Theres not much reason to take a kopta wo TLR and saw. If you just want rokkits, buggies are a better purchaae since you get 3 for nearly the same price as 1 TLR saw kopta. a 5 pack of lootas is very effective at 500-1000 points and is alot better than a kopta for only 75 points.

Enjoy.

I forgot all about the wound allocation thing with the Nobz. I'm not used to being able to wound allocate so freely.

Yeah, lootas have been suggested the most to me, so I'll consider their addition to my forces.

Yeah you seem to like the fast units, just throw all the boyz in trukks, that seems to be the style you are aiming for. Try to get 4 trukks of 12 boyz(include nob) if you have the models. They are 157 points per trukk, use choppas. basically everything just rushes forward and attack. I would love to play this way but I dont own enough trukks lol.

Yeah, I'm so used to playing slow, heavy armies, I wanna go fast! A bunch of Boyz in trukks seems like a good way to start them out, and maybe some Nobz. My friend runs a very scary unit of Nobs and either Ghazgkull or a pimped Warboss that he calls the Train. And it's true, it is a train.

Good use of gretchin is to guarantee your choppas get the charge. I run 20 grots in front of my boyz so no one can charge through the line of gretchin(plus they give 4+ cover save). opponent has to either shoot them(fine), or charge them(even better).

Gretchin are BS3 and with 20 shots + 2 from the herders, they will usually get 1 or 2 wounds through.

This will enrage your opponent and he will charge them the next turn.

He will of course wipe the unit of gretchin(the grots and herders might kill one or two of them as well), he will smile, then look up and be right in front of 20+ choppas getting ready to charge him on your turn. The good thing about gretchin is that they WILL lose combat, this forces your opponent to get caught in the open. He has to either suffer another round of grot blastas and be humiliated, or charge them, win combat, and then immediately lose to angry choppas.



Also, the battleforce is an amazing buy imo. You get a trukk(cool) but you also get bits to make either 20 choppas or 20 shootas. This leaves you with TONS of spare bits. The battleforce is not the first thing you should buy though. You should buy it when you are at abotu 1500 points.

Throwing 2 cents in, gretchin + cybork is funny! Additionally I'd like to ask if the FAQ clears up the ruling on giving vehicles cybork through mad doc. By RAW it works...

Hmm, the grot tactic sounds great! And lulz worthy to test out to see if it works for me!

Yh a friend of mine wants me to follow through with a whole gretchin list... Mad doc 6 full squads and kanz!