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 filbert wrote:
Space Crusade was also an MB game, I believe.

As with Heroquest, GW put out an Advanced Space Crusade, although it was a very different game.

Yeah I remember that one - I seem to remember Tyranid hive ship tiles that you recycled from the back to the front as you advanced through the ship - along with those butt-ugly plastic Tyranid warriors.

I think at this point, the list of games they could re-issue is huge but I think we need to be realistic and assume it is more likely to be one of the more popular efforts like Bloodbowl. Personally, I am waiting for the re-issue of the Jervis Johnson Wargames Series (for those that remember )

At some point that game became Tyranid Attack. I loved that game.

I still think they should re-release Warhammer Quest. That'd work very well as a stand-alone product.

Why Advanced Heroquest rather than Warhammer Quest?

The Milton Bradley Heroquest is one of the reason's I became interested in GW minis. I had a friend who's older brother started painting the skeletons and chaos warriors and I was hooked!

I'd certainly jump on an Advanced Heroquest if they released it.

As far as I can remember the Heroquest name belongs to Milton Bradley.

That's why when GW released another dungeon based game they called it Warhammer Quest.

So an Advanced Heroquest re-release would have to be under a different name, which seems unlikely.

I still don't think GW is smart enough to release something everyone likes or wants
if they actually made a good decision and released a good game, and not limited edition garbage, I think I'd buy an army, new, from them (and I've not bought anything in that mass since I was 16)

As long as they arn't made of finecrap.

They NEED to restart the specialist games line, and stop messing around.


I would really like to see a rerelease of Warhammer Quest. That box had a great bunch of stuff in it.

Darn, I miss the old days....

 Grot 6 wrote:
As long as they arn't made of finecrap.

They NEED to restart the specialist games line, and stop messing around.


I would really like to see a rerelease of Warhammer Quest. That box had a great bunch of stuff in it.

Darn, I miss the old days....

personally I hope they stay away from them, because then they might discontinue the back logs and make it a limited time only thing and you'll never be able to play that game in store again

 Rainbow Dash wrote:
I still don't think GW is smart enough to release something everyone likes or wants
if they actually made a good decision and released a good game, and not limited edition garbage, I think I'd buy an army, new, from them (and I've not bought anything in that mass since I was 16)

Limited edition boxes are in fact quite smart strategy. They don't compete with their existing products, and people don't even expect them to be supported.

But it's annoying as hell. I liked the look of Space Hulk . . . oh wait it's sold out. At least release it in good numbers!

If it's a new game, then maybe don't produce a lot of copies so you don't have a Dreadfleet.

Backfire wrote:

 Rainbow Dash wrote:
I still don't think GW is smart enough to release something everyone likes or wants
if they actually made a good decision and released a good game, and not limited edition garbage, I think I'd buy an army, new, from them (and I've not bought anything in that mass since I was 16)

Limited edition boxes are in fact quite smart strategy. They don't compete with their existing products, and people don't even expect them to be supported.

yeah but a lot of people won't buy them
people didn't expect, when space hulk came out, that'd they'd not let you play in the store once it was gone
people knew that, when Dreadfleet came out, so people who would have bought it for friendly store pick up games, didn't
and we all know how well that game sold
its fine and well on paper, but if the person only plays at GW (say if thats the only place to play, due to lack of space at home and or no one to play with) well then its just something that will get snubbed
there are nicer, supported, cheaper board games out there

For some reason no mere mortal can understand, GW managers are horrified by the idea of recruiting new customers. Therefore no advertising, no introductory products, no distribution in general toy stores and skyrocketing hurdles for people wanting to start any of the basic three game systems. Until that is fixed, I can't see GW making anything like Space Hulk, Warhammer Quest or Bloodbowl available to the general public.

 Kroothawk wrote:
For some reason no mere mortal can understand, GW managers are horrified by the idea of recruiting new customers. Therefore no advertising, no introductory products, no distribution in general toy stores and skyrocketing hurdles for people wanting to start any of the basic three game systems. Until that is fixed, I can't see GW making anything like Space Hulk, Warhammer Quest or Bloodbowl available to the general public.

they think sitting in their stores and trying to sell overpriced model kits to kids is the best strategy and feel the internet is a fad that will never last and that they are the only miniature company on the market
I do wonder what they'll be like in 10 years

In GW's defence, all of their specialist games are available to the general public, just not in boxed format (except for Blood Bowl which you can still buy).

Furthermore, the rules are completely free and even if the old minis aren't available anymore (and for the most part, they are), with a bit of imagination, you can easily use the current range.

Yes, it would be nice to see updated versions (see my Blood Bowl request at the beginning of the thread), but would that then kill off the Specialist Games section of the website... incidentally, the only part of the GW website worth visiting now.

The exceptions to this are Space Hulk which has been and gone and Warhammer Quest which hasn't been kept alive via Specialist Games. Limited edition Space Hulk remains a dumb decision by GW, but I maintain that having played it a lot recently, WHQ wasn't all that, so not that bothered about seeing it resurrected.

 Kroothawk wrote:
For some reason no mere mortal can understand, GW managers are horrified by the idea of recruiting new customers. Therefore no advertising, no introductory products, no distribution in general toy stores and skyrocketing hurdles for people wanting to start any of the basic three game systems. Until that is fixed, I can't see GW making anything like Space Hulk, Warhammer Quest or Bloodbowl available to the general public.

This is oddly true.
When I started out in the 90's, there were little pamplets (green for WHFB, Blue for 40k) for every army and free promotional brochures for each game to try and get folks into the hobby. And this was at Hobbytown USA, before there were any GW's in the midwest. Seems odd that sort of thing doesn't exist anymore.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
At some point that game became Tyranid Attack. I loved that game.

I still think they should re-release Warhammer Quest. That'd work very well as a stand-alone product.

I agree with you on WHQ.. I would snag it in a heartbeat.

Not sure on Tyranid Attack. I have it and have been trying to sell it, and getting NADA interest...

 Kroothawk wrote:

Zwan1One wrote:
Descent looks pretty interesting. Have you played It? How does it compare to other dungeon crawlers? Is it a good replacement for Warhammer Quest?

It is different gamewise, as one player is the Dungeon Master trying to win against the team. Easier if the team is 2 player, okay if 3, hard if 4.
I played 1st edition, which has over 20 heroes and 80+ monsters in the starter. 2nd edition has considerably less and AFAIK somewhat simpler rules.
Game is still good as basic gaming material for RPG games, but 1st edition box may sell for a lot now.

2nd edition is quite a good bit better than the old edition. Also, if you have all those old edition stuffs and monsters, they have a conversion kit that gives you cards for all those figs, both monsters and heros that work in the new rules.

 Flashman wrote:
In GW's defence, all of their specialist games are available to the general public, just not in boxed format (except for Blood Bowl which you can still buy).
.

While this is true how many people actually know that? It has also been over a decade since Epic was updated even though the miniature range is incomplete. There is also the issue of ridiculous pricing, any company that asks me to pay £1 for a 6mm metal miniature designed in the late 90's needs to take a good, long look at their pricing structure. Of course the resultant lack of sales does help to reinforce GW's view of specialist games.

There are a couple of things that could really make specalist games work, farming them to Forgeworld would be the obvious one, but GW would prefer to simply let good games die while concentrating on the core game treadmill.

 filbert wrote:
Space Crusade was also an MB game, I believe.

Eilif wrote:
2) Heroquest is not a GW game. It's a Milton Bradley game done with some input from GW. Aside from LoTR, it's been a long time since GW licensed a name/game/whatever from anyone.

CambriusX wrote:
As far as I can remember the Heroquest name belongs to Milton Bradley.

That's why when GW released another dungeon based game they called it Warhammer Quest.

So an Advanced Heroquest re-release would have to be under a different name, which seems unlikely.

 Kroothawk wrote:
1.) GW never released Heroquest, so can't rerelease Heroquest. MB released it and I doubt they lost all rights on that game. GW released Warhammer Quest, also a really fun game a bit similar to Heroquest.

Are some of you people wilfully difficult, in addition to deliberately not reading the thread?

http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/699/heroquest - MB game, in collaberation with GW
http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/1758/advanced-heroquest - GW game, set in the Warhammer World.
http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/1634/warhammer-quest - GW game, set in the Warhammer World.

http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/1568/space-crusade - MB, in collaberation with GW, using ome GW IP.
http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/8630/advanced-space-crusade - GW game, set in W40k
http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/2161/tyranid-attack - GW game, set in W40k. (Never played it, but believe it to be a simplified version of ASC)

There was also a computer game version of Heroquest and Space Crusade.

Is it really worth arguiing about the use of the word advanced?

As for what would work for a Big-box release...

Plus points would be:

1) Nostalgia - Blood Bowl, Warhammer Quest/Heroquest, Necromunda all get big points here. Not so sure about Space Crusade? I never liked it. Battlefleet Gothic gets some credit here, I expect, and Forgeworld seem to like it too, so, it seems to get a bit more support. Mordheim and Gorkamorka seem too modern to me to count for nostalgia, but I still remember when Space Hulk was the New Kid on The Block and when I started W40k was still known as Rogue Trader...
2) Tie-in models - Warhammer Quest has great potential for some wonderful hero models, plus some henchmen as sergeants in good armies, and lots for horde armies. Night goblins or Skaven, for example. Necromunda would be snapped up if the models can be used as cultists/guard, but doesn't really cater for Xenos players. GW has shown it does not care about xenos players anyway though! Blood Bowl models would be mainly just for Blood Bowl, but some clever folks might do good conversions. Space Crusade has massive tie-in potential, obviously.
3) Other tie-ins. The obvious advantage here goes to Blood Bowl, with the video-game tie in.

Overall, I actually think that something along the lines of Advanced Heroquest or Warhammer Quest has the most going for it. Probably Warhammer Quest, for branding reasons. Put in six cool heroes, four cool henchmen and some goblin fanatics, some spider riders, 20 night gobbo spearmen, gobbo shaman and gobbo warlord, and this WILL sell like hotcakes.

Personally, my favourite release would not even be one of these, it would be a non-limited re-release and full support for what I STILL think of as the third strand of GW, EPIC!!! It was always my favourite GW game. My best mate almost always beat me at W40k (foot-slogging Eldar versus marine gunline - wonder why...), I used to beat him at WFB more often that not (he never figured that I always overloaded one flank then simply rolled up along his army with my dangerously overpowered Chaos Knights), but Epic felt like a real contest.

What was the name of that GW game that came with two armies, and a battle-mat, and a plastic castle/turret thingy? I can never remember the name.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What was the name of that GW game that came with two armies, and a battle-mat, and a plastic castle/turret thingy? I can never remember the name.

Battlemasters, it was another MB/GW collaboration game. The cannon graced my Empire army for many years afterwards.

and the tower fit WHFB tables the world o'er...

 Fifty wrote:
Are some of you people wilfully difficult, in addition to deliberately not reading the thread?

Given that the difference between Heroquest and Advanced Heroquest has already been explained, one could possibly ask you the same question...

There are more polite ways to make the point, however.

At the time, these games fit in perfectly with MB's other old standards. I remember specificly going to Toys R Us as a youngster and literally seeing wall to wall big boxes of games, much the same size as todays "Starter boxes."

Along with these, there was a few different little game gems out there from MB that evolved into the "Standard" as far as gaming goes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Milton_Bradley_games
Shogun, Axis and Allies, Fortress America, etc.etc.etc....

Here's HeroQuest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HeroQuest

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Bradley_Company

And yes, battlemasters was the original Warhammer fantasy boxed template.

They really had some great games out there..... I wonder what happened to them....

Oh yeah, I remember, now....

Hasbro.

There are a couple of games that might tempt me to break my own personal boycott of GW, but they would have to be damn excellent to get me to hand over any more money to them.

 insaniak wrote:

 Fifty wrote:
Are some of you people wilfully difficult, in addition to deliberately not reading the thread?

Given that the difference between Heroquest and Advanced Heroquest has already been explained, one could possibly ask you the same question...

There are more polite ways to make the point, however.

The fact that I posted additional information about each one, including a link, thus hopefully settling the issue, would make my contribution worthwhile, I'd imagine. Especially as some of the explanations weren't 100% accurate either.

And what I posted was considerably more polite than the typical responses you see from some of the mods here.

Before everyone gets carried away, looking at the previous big box releases one thing springs to mind. GW have produced these as one off, unsupported releases. Apart from the usual "buy me " advertising in WD, neither new Space Hulk or Dreadfleet got new scenarios or additional miniatures, in fact little love after the initial sales period.

So I think this rules out most of the wishful thing, for Bloodbowl, Epic40k, Battlefleet Gothic and probably Necromunda. Wahammer Quest is too close to Descent and other dungeon crawlers out there.

What is left in the back catalogue? Dark Future, would seem unlikely given the post-apoc style beloved of the 80's has passed its sell by date. Man o War, isn't that what DF was to be?

I can only think of a rehash of Codex Titanicus (limited to the Titans) with new designed Titans and interchangeable weapons. The catch rather than the old epic size make them half the size again and have 8-12 a side, Add some decent city blocks etc and possibly a quality playmat. Note that Battletechies out there will know something similar was done with Battleforce scale minis for the mechs and it was quite sucessful.

With Pacific Rim looking like the "to watch" summer blockbuster, big robot bashing may be back in vogue by the autumn.

 Fifty wrote:

http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/699/heroquest - MB game, in collaberation with GW
http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/1758/advanced-heroquest - GW game, set in the Warhammer World.
http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/1634/warhammer-quest - GW game, set in the Warhammer World.

They're all set in the Warhammer world, including the first Heroquest, as the materials that come with the games have the warhammer map and name some places in Warhammer.

Don't expect anything with a card heavy content as they decided after space hulk to avoid doing anything with gaming tiles that had to be manufactured out of house as they thought that it cut too far into their margins. Hence the crappy scarf with dread fleet that cost about 3p each to make in a far eastern sweatshop. For me this would rule out quest and bloodbowl though gothic could be restarted with another crappy scarf for a space field. I wouldn't be surprised either if they just gave up on the idea.