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I can wait. I need the time to dig out my Tau army anyway, and I'm not at all sure where a goodly part of it is (HH turrets, my broadsides, crisis suits, etc).

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Wait a little while, make the purchase, help the guy to stay open and provide you with a place to play...

GW is doing away with gaming instore, support your local friendly games store, it's enlightened self interest, to keep other ranges easily accessible and maintain somewhere to play.

Sadly the concept of a "local store" is something of a rarity in our neck of the woods.

I'll bet the recasters have supply in notime

At the rate they are going you will have to recast if you want a second model.

one of my walls has fresh dents in it from the news I got today

Couldn't they have used the money they saved from shutting down the freeloading online sellers to make sure they had enough product for the brick and mortar stores they supported with that policy?

/snark

This sucks, I've confirmed with a half dozen local gaming stores in Ontario and so far all of them are right on track for getting what they ordered.


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I stopped playing Warhammer 40,000 and even I am going to say some of the conspiracy theories and allegations being made towards Games Workshop are fairly out of this world. You know when you're out with a group of people and some guy starts talking about how Reptoids are taking our skin and controlling our leaders? That's what these threads are starting to sound like.

What drives me insane is some of the same people bashing GW will go defend other companies for this EXACT same kind of shortage or failure to deliver a product on time. Yet I have not found another company who will offer the level of customer service as Games Workshop does. Most companies will make you wait weeks for the single part you are missing on a kit, what does GW do? Often send you an entirely new kit.

Let's be reasonable here guys. This is not a conspiracy meant to destroy the FLGS or anyone else.


P.S. If this truly was an intentional act to destroy FLGS then I think those guys talking about the Reptoid Aliens controlling our leaders are on to something.

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(Also, I am very sorry to any retailers here on Dakka who did not get their products, GW should do something to make up the loss of sales to you.)

 IdentifyZero wrote:
You know when you're out with a group of people and some guy starts talking about how Reptoids are taking our skin and controlling our leaders?

 motyak wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:
You know when you're out with a group of people and some guy starts talking about how Reptoids are taking our skin and controlling our leaders?

Epic pic.

 IdentifyZero wrote:
Let's be reasonable here guys. This is not a conspiracy meant to destroy the FLGS or anyone else.

You know what, it probably isn't. As has been pointed out there are a half dozen other reasons that could be why this has happened. I'm still getting out my tinfoil hat and saying intentional though because there is a point where 'never attribute to malice what can be attributed to ignorance' simply stops working to defend something. This has happened right off the back of GW putting into place all those policies in the US to stop me buying from people over there, they don't get the benefit of the doubt in my mind.

I have to agree that this is intentional on GW's part. A conspiracy theory it may be, but GW's past actions give it some very strong legs to stand, and run, on. Other companies may have made similar mistakes, but they don't have GW's history.

I think I need to invest in tin.

 mikhaila wrote:

Big post

So, because some store got hurt feelings from not being able to get the new model i should just axe it?
By this logic i shouldn't play conversions, because they cant possibly sell that model.
Im sorry,, but what right does a store have to tell me i cant play with something i bought.
Gaming stores have to expect that not everything will be bought from them.

 jonolikespie wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:
Let's be reasonable here guys. This is not a conspiracy meant to destroy the FLGS or anyone else.

You know what, it probably isn't. As has been pointed out there are a half dozen other reasons that could be why this has happened. I'm still getting out my tinfoil hat and saying intentional though because there is a point where 'never attribute to malice what can be attributed to ignorance' simply stops working to defend something. This has happened right off the back of GW putting into place all those policies in the US to stop me buying from people over there, they don't get the benefit of the doubt in my mind.

Fellow Australian buyer here, and member of the 'no conspiracy here' camp. It's only likely to be a delay of a few weeks. If it truly was a conspiracy, I don't think they'd be giving them product inside of a fortnight. And again, as an Australian, resellers can still buy them from GW and resell them on eBay to us relatively cheaply.

I've always fallen very much into to the “never attribute to malice that which can be attributed to incompetence” camp, but even I can’t deny that this is just a little too ‘off’ for a simple mistake. You’re really going to tell me that just after these new sales terms get announced that suddenly they’re having stock shortages to everyone but themselves? I bet the stock shortages will get 'sorted out' as soon as the new sales terms go into effect as well.

I guess we’ll see if there are more stock shortages for next month’s big relief.

 IdentifyZero wrote:
What drives me insane is some of the same people bashing GW will go defend other companies for this EXACT same kind of shortage or failure to deliver a product on time.

Citation needed.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 mikhaila wrote:

Big post

So, because some store got hurt feelings from not being able to get the new model i should just axe it?
By this logic i shouldn't play conversions, because they cant possibly sell that model.
Im sorry,, but what right does a store have to tell me i cant play with something i bought.
Gaming stores have to expect that not everything will be bought from them.

I think the point here is GW are a big evil (I'm talking about all the other stuff they do, not pushing the conspiracy theory here) company trying to push FLGSs out of the equation, we shouldn't let them. If you play at a LGS you should wait a few weeks and buy from them because if GW gets their way that store won't be there much longer and you'll have nowhere to play.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:
What drives me insane is some of the same people bashing GW will go defend other companies for this EXACT same kind of shortage or failure to deliver a product on time.

Citation needed.

If I had to guess I would assume he means a particular company that's the second most popular (in NA, anyway) and their constant supply shortages due to high demand.

The difference between that company and GW is that company still manages to make sure that all FLGS manage to get new releases, instead of supplying their own (hypothetical, in this case) chain of retail outlets and basically waving their genitals at FLGS, while simultaneously stopping that mean ol' internet from "ruining the hobby".

Oh im not buying from Gw, I got it from an independent who assures my my order is coming.
What im saying is that stores shouldnt get upset because someone shows up with a model they dont have.

 jonolikespie wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:
Let's be reasonable here guys. This is not a conspiracy meant to destroy the FLGS or anyone else.

You know what, it probably isn't. As has been pointed out there are a half dozen other reasons that could be why this has happened. I'm still getting out my tinfoil hat and saying intentional though because there is a point where 'never attribute to malice what can be attributed to ignorance' simply stops working to defend something. This has happened right off the back of GW putting into place all those policies in the US to stop me buying from people over there, they don't get the benefit of the doubt in my mind.

HMMMMMMMMMMMM I wonder if that policy has something to do with what HMBC mentioned a page back about there being a severe lack of FLGS in Australia.

This is poor planning, obviously they under-estimated the demand for tau based on sales from the last few years and it's biting them in the ass. Since they've even had to stop selling to some markets due to selling out online this is obviously not an intentional plan to screw independents, it's simple miscalculation of demand.

Also....for the record....asking the internet would have been frakking pointless, you ask folks if they would buy a product and you'll get a 1000 yes's but when the time to slap money down comes you'll be lucky if you get 50. You want REAL data you base it on sales numbers, those are at least reliable.

Don't blame the LFGS for what GW is doing.

The revenue streamlining process shall continue and these kinds of actions from the corporation will escalate. There will be more so called hiccups to the LFGS.

What I expect is some of those hardcore people making a rush to those GW stores to get their items before it is "sold" out. Man this is going to look so good to GW's bottom line.

I expect more of these kinds of actions coming from Games Workshop in the near future.

TBH,, I think GW is nearing the point where they realize they need to change or adapt sooon or fall behind.
We are already seeing it with the rapid release schedule.

 Adam LongWalker wrote:
Don't blame the LFGS for what GW is doing.

The revenue streamlining process shall continue and these kinds of actions from the corporation will escalate. There will be more so called hiccups to the LFGS.

What I expect is some of those hardcore people making a rush to those GW stores to get their items before it is "sold" out. Man this is going to look so good to GW's bottom line.

I expect more of these kinds of actions coming from Games Workshop in the near future.

I didn't see anyone blaming the FLGS (if that is what you mean by LFGS).

I do see people encouraging others not to buy product from Games workshop though.

I'll be interested to see if my loot comes in on time. My FLGS is nearly as far away from GW US as it can get and still be in the contiguous US, so if they did ship to the further shops first, I'd think I'm at a higher likelihood of getting my own stuff. It'll be a small data point in assessing the truth of what folks have been told.

 IdentifyZero wrote:

 Adam LongWalker wrote:
Don't blame the LFGS for what GW is doing.

The revenue streamlining process shall continue and these kinds of actions from the corporation will escalate. There will be more so called hiccups to the LFGS.

What I expect is some of those hardcore people making a rush to those GW stores to get their items before it is "sold" out. Man this is going to look so good to GW's bottom line.

I expect more of these kinds of actions coming from Games Workshop in the near future.

I didn't see anyone blaming the FLGS (if that is what you mean by LFGS).

I do see people encouraging others not to buy product from Games workshop though.

People are going to buy as they deemed as they will as the hardcore are going to get the item's regardless of whom is saying what.

Orktavius wrote:
HMMMMMMMMMMMM I wonder if that policy has something to do with what HMBC mentioned a page back about there being a severe lack of FLGS in Australia.

Your powers of deductive reasoning continue to astound me.

Munga wrote:
I think this is more a side effect of GW trying to squeeze a LOT of updates out in one year than anything of malice. Their own draconian ways of operating are hurting them bad. But really, think about all the releases in the last 6 months. They're not really as big a company as they act like they are, and I believe they spread themselves too thin, then tried to give what they actually did get made to their own stores first to make as much profit as possible. GW really needs to get rid of their weird "Let's have our own shops" idea, and just give the local shops more help to push their product. There's not even a GW store within a hundred miles from where I live. It's nothing but locals. And every single one of them is worthy of my cash in some way, even if they don't have GW products. Modeling supplies are always nice.

The lack of official notice and time to place pre-orders also hurts.

GW's current system basically requires them to predict demand since stores only have a week to place their orders.

Compare with comics where stores place their orders 3 months out.

My two cents...I pre-ordered stuff and look like I will be getting it tomorrow. I will likely have it assembled and ready for action for a tourney this weekend...i will be using the new models without the slightest twinge of guilt because I ordered without any knowledge that GW had planned these shenanigans.

I am very sorry that not everyone will have theirs immediately, but should my $85 model sit at home for some in protest while others use a dreadnaught proxy? I say no...and for those that wo der why i couldn't just wait for the release...I wanted the cillecter's codex and couldn't control the impulse once I was there.

Our rep here in central iowa told us we were getting everything we ordered, but that there would be delays on any additional orders after that. Was quite adamant that there would be no delays on the initial delivery. No idea what will actually happen though.

 Sergeant Horse wrote:
one of my walls has fresh dents in it from the news I got today

What do you think are the chances that the GW store one suburb over will be well stocked with all the newest tau gadgets? So many stores on the North side of Atlanta but only the company store is likely to get stock in sufficient quantities.

 warboss wrote:


What do you think are the chances that the GW store one suburb over will be well stocked with all the newest tau gadgets? So many stores on the North side of Atlanta but only the company store is likely to get stock in sufficient quantities.

That is how it is going down in my neck of the woods. Local GW store confirms that stock will be ready to go at launch while the neither of the two bigger FLGS (one of which has a huge online retail presence) will be getting their stock any time soon. Miniature Market sent emails out saying that they would not have any stock, and pre-orders would be delayed; also that their GW representative could not give them timeline for their order to be fulfilled.