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2013/10/05 05:17:11
Subject: Beasts of War to Terminate Affiliation with Wayland Games, thanks to GW Legal Threats
Kwosge wrote: So, let me get this straight. Wayland Games made, or partnered, with a legal separate entity with the expressed purpose to violate their GW contact by releasing information on upcoming GW releases. They thought it would be OK because the 'new' entity, that is directly affiliated with Wayland Games, didn't sign a contract with GW. Even though both Wayland and BoW set out to specifically violate a legally binding contract between GW and Wayland. And now BoW is trying to act like the victim due to the increased GW legal letters telling them to stop violating the contract that Wayland and GW signed. I just want to be on the same page with everyone.
Because that is the only thing that makes since, based off BoW bending over and taking it from GW's legal team. I mean, literally, every one of those legal letters from GW could have been ignored or BoW could have forced a middle ground with GW IF BoW was truly in the right.
I find it very hard to feel bad for Wayland or BoW when they were clearly and deliberately violating a preexisting contract with GW. Also, this is probably a publicity stunt to dog and pony GW's legal team in order to start using a 'fair use' defense against GW's letters. And if you expect me to believe that Wayland will stop violating their GW contact by providing information to BoW then you must think me for a fool.
I don't think you could have jumbled up the timeline of events any more even if you tried.
How do we know what the exact timeline looks like?
I doubt events are exactly as beasts of war say they are...
The way I see it Kwosge is probabily very very close to the truth.
BOW and Wayland knew what they were doing would upset GW and now that GW has told them to stop, they are having a little cry about it.
Kelly502 wrote: Ok. The "little guy" was wrong, he admitted to it and he's more the man for doing so. The "800 lb gorilla" owns that stuff, is a business, they want to make money because it's a legitimate business it has the right to protect its assets. Period.
The little guy admitting he was "wrong" is what is commonly referred to appeasement. If they actually thought they were "wrong" they would not be requesting legal aid at the end of the post. However, quite often when you are being beat down by an 800 lb gorilla, the best course of action is to attempt to appease it until you can properly respond in kind.
The whole of what was written makes it pretty clear that they do not feel they actually did anything wrong, but felt they had no other option. This is an attempt to defuse GW from retaliating against Wayland Games.
2013/10/05 05:26:31
Subject: Beasts of War to Terminate Affiliation with Wayland Games, thanks to GW Legal Threats
This isn't a GW vs. BoW directly issues. BoW is being affected by part of the new T&C's that went into affect in June. The same T&C's that banned the breaking up and selling of bits (shakes fist). Wayland's direct support of BoW conflicted with that.
There is a similar T&C in the USA that bans stores from blogging about GW products. Loken grumbled about that over at the Apocalypse 40k blog.
Only remote logic I can see is that GW doesn't want to have stores carrying their product bad mouthing it on the internet.
2013/10/05 05:32:12
Subject: Beasts of War to Terminate Affiliation with Wayland Games, thanks to GW Legal Threats
Panic wrote: How do we know what the exact timeline looks like?
I doubt events are exactly as beasts of war say they are...
The way I see it Kwosge is probabily very very close to the truth.
BOW and Wayland knew what they were doing would upset GW and now that GW has told them to stop, they are having a little cry about it.
The BOW/Wayland partnership predates the last two changes in the GW retailer terms. I don't know the exact timeline but I do know how to use a calendar and see that the statement "Wayland Games made, or partnered, with a legal separate entity with the expressed purpose to violate their GW contact by releasing information on upcoming GW releases" is completely false. Unless you're claiming that BOW/Wayland are psychic and predicted the 2013 terms regarding leaks sometime back in 2011 and formed their partnership to expressely violate it at a distant future date...
2013/10/05 05:33:54
Subject: Beasts of War to Terminate Affiliation with Wayland Games, thanks to GW Legal Threats
Kelly502 wrote: I'm just supporting the team mate. Love GW and I'm going to keep spending my hard earned American cash on GW stuff. Nothing trollish about my post. If you're wanting to bash someone read up some on this thread, I'm sure you'll find something else you don't like.
No bashing, you seem to have read inflection into my post I didn't intend (and actually tried to diffuse entirely, hence the use of a smiley)
That said, while I can understand that you may enjoy the games, but are you actually saying you love GW? Remembering, as is often mentioned, that it is possible to love the product while still regarding the producer differently? 'Cause if you're genuinely saying you love GW, I think you might find yourself on a very small team in light of the actions of the last 18 months or so.
You know, I made a comment earlier about the fact that I am going to spend cash on GW products, to break that down... Life goes on and so will GW.
Small team, surely you jest Sir.
Lesson learned? Do not bash a company's product,or release information that isn't owned by you etc etc.
Should I admit that I bought a SM Codex a day early from a "little guy" shop? hmmmm
Crush your enemies, see them driven before you and to hear the lamentations of the women.
Twitter @Kelly502Inf
2013/10/05 05:50:32
Subject: Beasts of War to Terminate Affiliation with Wayland Games, thanks to GW Legal Threats
The way I see it Kwosge is probabily very very close to the truth.
BOW and Wayland knew what they were doing would upset GW and now that GW has told them to stop, they are having a little cry about it.
Panic...
Do we know exactly what the business relationship is/waas between BOW and Wayland? Because if it's formal, and they are wholly owned, as suggested by the BoK story, why even bother posting this thread? It's a contractual dispute.
If we're talking about GW pressuring independents about IP when it's fair use, that's bad. But that ain't what's happening here if BOW and Wayland are partners.
I have regular conversations with other big retailers (who unlike Wayland, deliver on time and seem to actually know what they have in stock), and while they are free with talk in some areas, slagging off the mediocre products in the GW range, they are grown-up enough not to even discuss details of certain upcoming items. Why? Because they signed a contract. If Wayland wholly own BOW and they allowed that thread to be posted, they're even less professional than I thought they were.
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Panic wrote: ...The way I see it Kwosge is probabily very very close to the truth. BOW and Wayland knew what they were doing would upset GW and now that GW has told them to stop, they are having a little cry about it...
The BOW/Wayland partnership predates the last two changes in the GW retailer terms. I don't know the exact timeline but I do know how to use a calendar and see that the statement "Wayland Games made, or partnered, with a legal separate entity with the expressed purpose to violate their GW contact by releasing information on upcoming GW releases" is completely false. Unless you're claiming that BOW/Wayland are psychic and predicted the 2013 terms regarding leaks sometime back in 2011 and formed their partnership to expressely violate it at a distant future date...
Now your being silly, fact is they partnered up with each other to grow their businesses and bank cash. Wayland have access to trade information AND an interest in sharing all this info with BOW. BOW want that Info and push listeners towards Wayland...
It's a simple plan. 1. Gain Access to secret Information 2. Broadcast secret Information 3. ??? 4. Profit!
They would have known from the start that GW would not like this but did it anyway. Everyone who's ever posted a leaked release schedule or blurry photo of a white dwarf page knew it was against GW policy. I love dakka and the other bits of the internets for the little thrills we all get when we see rumour and naughty sneak peaks.
But fact is these sneak peaks etc, For right or wrong, are not apart of GWs plan. I doubt that these T&Cs and legal letters were the first time GW told wayland and BOW to knock it on the head.
And now they have been told good and proper they are crying into their cornflakes and giving the forums the sad sob story and the big puppy eyes...
Panic...
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Panic wrote: ...The way I see it Kwosge is probabily very very close to the truth.
BOW and Wayland knew what they were doing would upset GW and now that GW has told them to stop, they are having a little cry about it...
The BOW/Wayland partnership predates the last two changes in the GW retailer terms. I don't know the exact timeline but I do know how to use a calendar and see that the statement "Wayland Games made, or partnered, with a legal separate entity with the expressed purpose to violate their GW contact by releasing information on upcoming GW releases" is completely false. Unless you're claiming that BOW/Wayland are psychic and predicted the 2013 terms regarding leaks sometime back in 2011 and formed their partnership to expressely violate it at a distant future date...
Now your being silly, fact is the partnered up to grow their business,
Wayland have access to trade information AND an interest in sharing all this info with BOW.
They would have known from the start that GW would not like this but did it anyway.
Everyone who posts a leaked release schedule, blurry photo of a white dwarf page knows it's against GW policy.
I doubt that these T&Cs and legal letters were the first time GW told wayland and BOW to knock it on the head...
And now they have been told good and proper they are crying into their cornflakes and giving the forums the sad sob story and the big puppy eyes...
Panic...
Well that wraps up this thread all nice and tidy.
Moving on now...
By the way, well said.
Crush your enemies, see them driven before you and to hear the lamentations of the women.
Twitter @Kelly502Inf
2013/10/05 06:23:47
Subject: Re:Beasts of War to Terminate Affiliation with Wayland Games, thanks to GW Legal Threats
yeah, Seriously how many times are we gonna see the Dull Knights defending the likes of chapterhouse and BOW etc.. EVIL GW is EVIL!!!
Internets leaks goes some way to explain the decreased love for WD since the 80's and early 90's. I used to love glossing through the mag drooling over never before seen models. But the internets is what it is and like I said we all love a rumour.
I'm not losing any sleep over GW kicking BOW in the balls. Meh..
Panic...
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I'm hopping on here, and I'm happy to try and answer any questions you may have. (replies will be later tonight as I'm just heading out on a family day trip)
But basically there are a couple of points.
1) You guys on dakka and everywhere else always get the bulk of product info long before stores.
2) There are two issues at stake:
This is not about leaking information, this is about commenting upon information that has already worked its way into the public even via dakka or example.
When you move somthing from being a copyright law issue to just being a general contractual commitment, it basically means that most anything can then become a contractual issue.
And remember that the first contact we ever had from GW legal was a demand that we take down every video containing a GW product.
So based on those kinds of requests, we made the decision to part ways and move on, as neither of us wanted to risk the jobs, of girls and boys that work damn hard every day doing what they do.
On the topic of our partnership, BoW was never purchased by WG although that was the plan for sure.
And try to understand that our partnership was actually built around things we could do like events (like tabletop day and grumpy on for example) and beasts of wars strength is not in 40k, but rather in 'other ranges', so there was no grand conspiracy centred around GW releases. Remember that even when stuff leaks, the retailers are under very strict conditions as to when they can accept orders, thus nullifying the effects of that anyway. (Which in my opinion is a fair thing)
This was a decision centred around integrity, (and that was where my reference to kotaku came from, not traffic of course) if our mission is to cover the industry, then we should do that, we had options to just pretend GW didn't exist and continue a blanket freeze on coverage, but that just seems strange, and we care about what we do a lot, so we have opted for the more difficult option.
I think it's simply a case, of today it's one thing, but what will come tomorrow, and who will be the target of that.
And it's pretty impossible for small outlets like us (and dakka, warseer, BoLs etc) to stand up to that if it's directed at us.
Anyway, we're just trying our best to be open with the community on what we're doing and why. I wrote a lengthy post laying out the facts, and I can't expect everyone to understand them, or even read them, but if you haven't read them please take a moment to do so, as it gives a better picture of why we're here.
Again, I'm very happy to try and answer questions, so you have answers rather than speculation
Kelly502 wrote: I'm just supporting the team mate. Love GW and I'm going to keep spending my hard earned American cash on GW stuff. Nothing trollish about my post.
The part about "throw some Warmachine in the bin to make room for more GW" was pretty trollish. FWIW, I don't mind in the slightest if you buy lots of GW stuff. I do as well.
By the way, I'm not being anti GW. We love their stuff (well most of it), and are really looking forward to digging through it all again.
Am I concerned about the steps they take to control things, yup I am, do I understand that, that's what they are just gonna do, yup I understand that too.
All we can do really is go with it.
I wish there wasn't so much anti GW sentiment around, and it's unfortunate but not unexpected that it pours out once again.
I'm not sure what we can do about that (if anything)
BEASTSOFWAR wrote: By the way, I'm not being anti GW. We love their stuff (well most of it), and are really looking forward to digging through it all again.
Am I concerned about the steps they take to control things, yup I am, do I understand that, that's what they are just gonna do, yup I understand that too.
All we can do really is go with it.
I wish there wasn't so much anti GW sentiment around, and it's unfortunate but not unexpected that it pours out once again.
I'm not sure what we can do about that (if anything)
You Sir, are the man for taking responsibility and doing the right thing!
Kelly502 wrote: I'm just supporting the team mate. Love GW and I'm going to keep spending my hard earned American cash on GW stuff. Nothing trollish about my post.
The part about "throw some Warmachine in the bin to make room for more GW" was pretty trollish. FWIW, I don't mind in the slightest if you buy lots of GW stuff. I do as well.
Oh gosh I'm glad you don't mind that I buy GW. Thank you.
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Crush your enemies, see them driven before you and to hear the lamentations of the women.
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2013/10/05 07:41:18
Subject: Beasts of War to Terminate Affiliation with Wayland Games, thanks to GW Legal Threats
Lets be honest, as Warren says above, how many people go to BoW for GW leaks?
I already know about them well before they report because of Dakka, the only one in recent memory i can remember getting from BoW was the Stormtalon, Dakkajet etc hand drawn pics. Even then, i am pretty sure that it was reported on Dakka first and that we just didn't know what they looked like.
I usually go to BoW for the featured weeks, but from reading the statement they are trying to prevent that as well. Which is what i personally have an issue with.
I buy a lot of GW stuff and love a lot of the models they produce but that doesn't prevent this from being a pretty <insert swear word of choice> move.
2013/10/05 08:04:20
Subject: Re:Beasts of War to Terminate Affiliation with Wayland Games, thanks to GW Legal Threats
Internets leaks goes some way to explain the decreased love for WD since the 80's and early 90's.
I used to love glossing through the mag drooling over never before seen models.
But the internets is what it is and like I said we all love a rumour.
Panic...
Large response in Spoiler:
Spoiler:
For me all the leaks made by BOW (whose coverage I do like), Warseer, here on Dakka, BOLS etc - just shows enthusiasm for new GW product - an enthusiasm that they do very little to cater for or foster themselves, unless we regard their minute long teaser videos a week in advance of advance orders that the online community already knew about weeks/months in advance as a genuine attempt to get their customers excited by a new release
The online wargaming community, and the larger part of it is still devoted toward GW, is doing all GW's publicity for them. GW seem to have a problem with this but won't take the effort on themselves.
I understand that GW needed to tell/show what was coming a month or so in advance through White Dwarf back in the 80's/90's - even in the early 00's - however that doesn't also mean that advance notice and new information of new releases isn't warranted either. The lack of love for WD is because the magazine (which was always a catalogue for their product so I have no problem with viewing it as such) has lacked any decent material for years - as in back in the 80's/90's we used to get rules, background - extracts from as yet unpublished codex/army books etc. I can actually read those WD's, the newer ones I can flick through and be done with in a moment from sitting on the toilet - there's little to no gaming content, no proper painting articles anymore, no in depth tactica's, no missions - there's nothing in it that makes me feel it's worth it's money anymore as a gaming supplement and the internet fulfills the role as hobby inspiration.
It's not that I feel BOW, BOLS, Warseer, Us et al. are expressly 'right' (in the uptight/strictest of all legal senses) to release info/rumours/pictures of GW's new product before GW, but I do feel that GW, if it is to act so seriously and preciously about its IP and product, should at least pick up the weight of excitement and expectation themselves and give their fans and customers what they want - information, preview images, rules teasers etc. If they did a 5-10 minute video similar to a movie special prior to release, where we can have interview snipets regarding rules/product design, teaser/design images (they could take a page out of Forgeworld's book for this) and/or make WD have a decent word count again then this would go some way to addressing the obvious desires of their cumstomers.
Their pursuit of silencing rumours is as futile as trying to disarm a bomb after its already gone off. Surely the smart and right thing to do is do all the promo work yourself, that way you can control the quality of the images and be sure the information is accurate? It's stupid as most of us want GW coverage/product, which they don't supply themselves, and when someone else does supply it, they choose to send a C&D letter or two as if they don't want the expectation that helps generate business to exist at all
When it comes to the promotion of their product GW are quite mad, I can think of no company like them - it's like they want it all to be Top Secret, as if the enemy has spies everywhere, as if people want what they have to sell before they are 'ready' to sell it - they're paranoid/clearly mental.
I also feel people are reading too much into Wayland and BOW's partnership - it just made journalistic sense to be around a retailer with a vast gaming space for better coverage, as well as to meet and talk to other gamer's - let's not forget that BOW advertise pretty much every game in the industry with articles, news snippets and links to almost every manufacturers store front's, as well as Wayland's. The BOW guys aren't doing what they do for the money, as I'd imagine it's not a very secure way of life, they're doing it because they care and are genuinely passionate about wargaming in general and it's that enthusiasm which GW are punishing them for, perhaps 'rightly' in some instances, such as the Necron leak, and they're using BOW's association with Wayland (whatever you may think of it) as legal leverage, but wrongly in that it seems GW can't take criticism of a product, be it positive or negative. No other manufacturer I know of does as much to stifle reviews/previews as GW does. They release a product that their customers have a clear right to review/criticise/praise in equal measure and I can't see how they can legally stop this kind of coverage.
I am not surprised by GW's action on BOW and I think the guy's over at BOW should (if they didn't already) have expected this. I am not angry at GW (as I'm gladly past getting too emotional over toy soldiers thought that's not to say I don't care enough to type a long post about it) but I am frustrated by their constant legal actions against those with a genuine love for their IP and product and for those who are catering towards gaps in GW's product (however you regard them). The point is if GW did this all themselves, as any sane manufacturer would, there'd be no need for any lawsuits/threats of anykind and GW wouldn't have created its own competition like it has done regarding chapter house, bits sellers etc. An argument can even be made for entire game systems/miniature companies that wouldn't exist were it not for GW, that are now taking GW's business from them at quite a rate of knots, due to GW's poor PR and arrogance/self-marvel at their own product.
I just find GW so frustrating it's no surprise they polarise some members of the community as they do. GW have become too corporate for a company that deals with people's leisure time, they really have become like a Nestle of wargaming. There's no faceslap or natural herb stick big enough to cure GW's insanity.
In short it seems to me the whole leaks/rumour debacle can be summed up as: we want what they have, but they don't want us to want what they have unless they tell us directly what they have, in order for us to want what they have, all on their own terms
I think the important point here is that, if this can happen to BoW, where next?
There are few more enthusiastic places about the industry than BoW, and to be honest most of the time the enthusiasm is catching and it makes the website a great place to visit. That's what makes this so galling in part that they should fall under the crosshairs, although we've seen in the past with the numerous fansites that, doesn't matter how much of a fan you are and how much you try and placate, the legal department of the parent company will still send those letters.
Kelly502, I can see you're playing devil's advocate here regarding the legal issues, but can you not see how all of this is massively detrimental to the hobby and industry? The GW has a 'right' (on what seems like extremely spurious grounds) to challenge them in this way doesn't then make it the right thing to do, and the backlash against it is fully warranted.
Do you think for a moment that any of the GW design team, who surely like most of us are just generally good human beings wanting to talk and write about something we enjoy, would genuinely believe in curtailing such a source and hub of that fan enjoyment?
Note that I've not mentioned any fact at all about the issue of how a company should treat its fans. It's obvious in this case that it's going to end up as just another -1 for the fans.. I guess at this point you've either long since gone or don't care so in either case not sure how much of an effect it will have.
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Kelly502 wrote: Ok. The "little guy" was wrong, he admitted to it and he's more the man for doing so. The "800 lb gorilla" owns that stuff, is a business, they want to make money because it's a legitimate business it has the right to protect its assets. Period.
A company's commercial interests should never be put before the freedom of the press. GW's lawyers demanding the removal of every video depicting GW product is just a ludicrous attempt at bullying.
Balance in pick up games? Two people, each with their own goals for the game, design half a board game on their own without knowing the layout of the board and hope it all works out. Good luck with that. The faster you can find like minded individuals who want the same things from the game as you, the better.
2013/10/05 08:56:28
Subject: Beasts of War to Terminate Affiliation with Wayland Games, thanks to GW Legal Threats
I think that a GW centric rumour blog run by an IP lawyer would be a really interestng thing. I don't think that GW's habit of sending spurious C&D letters would have much of an impact then.....
RegalPhantom wrote: If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
Warzone Plog
2013/10/05 08:59:16
Subject: Beasts of War to Terminate Affiliation with Wayland Games, thanks to GW Legal Threats
Kelly502 wrote: Ok. The "little guy" was wrong, he admitted to it and he's more the man for doing so. The "800 lb gorilla" owns that stuff, is a business, they want to make money because it's a legitimate business it has the right to protect its assets. Period.
A company's commercial interests should never be put before the freedom of the press. GW's lawyers demanding the removal of every video depicting GW product is just a ludicrous attempt at bullying.
Freedom of the press? That doesn't apply to this, because we are talking images owned by GW leaked out by a group to a fan base. Just because you have photos of a company's products before they are released isn't freedom of the press. Freedom of the press for example, is releasing information you have gained informing people of a company charging taxes on the full price of consumer item when it's on sale. Then the company pocketing the money everyone overpaid in taxes. Again an example I was actually investigating once way back when... That's an example of informative freedom of the press. Not leaking images of a toy company's new shiny toys before they are released. they have the right to tell someone to pull video if they do not think the production represents their best interests. If something is shown in a negative light then I don't blame them.
Crush your enemies, see them driven before you and to hear the lamentations of the women.
Twitter @Kelly502Inf
2013/10/05 09:01:43
Subject: Beasts of War to Terminate Affiliation with Wayland Games, thanks to GW Legal Threats
Panic wrote: yeah,
Seriously how many times are we gonna see the Dull Knights defending the likes of chapterhouse and BOW etc..
EVIL GW is EVIL!!!
Internets leaks goes some way to explain the decreased love for WD since the 80's and early 90's.
I used to love glossing through the mag drooling over never before seen models.
But the internets is what it is and like I said we all love a rumour.
I'm not losing any sleep over GW kicking BOW in the balls.
Meh..
Panic...
I think the decreasing love for WD was more because it turned into a steaming pile of brown stuff, rather than internet leaks affecting it.
Now, I'm sure I'm probably wrong on this, but months ago on this forum, there was a discussion about a certain video games company, lets call them Electronic Arts for the sake of this argument were using images that were VERY VERY VERY VERY similar to some of GW's stuff. Now, I'm wondering if that super rich, multi-million dollar company is losing sleep over legal letters sent to it by GW?
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
2013/10/05 09:22:56
Subject: Beasts of War to Terminate Affiliation with Wayland Games, thanks to GW Legal Threats
Kelly502 wrote: Freedom of the press? That doesn't apply to this, because we are talking images owned by GW leaked out by a group to a fan base. Just because you have photos of a company's products before they are released isn't freedom of the press. Freedom of the press for example, is releasing information you have gained informing people of a company charging taxes on the full price of consumer item when it's on sale. Then the company pocketing the money everyone overpaid in taxes. Again an example I was actually investigating once way back when... That's an example of informative freedom of the press. Not leaking images of a toy company's new shiny toys before they are released. they have the right to tell someone to pull video if they do not think the production represents their best interests. If something is shown in a negative light then I don't blame them.
Not to drag the real world too far into this but "ownership" doesn't matter even one little bit when it comes to the press. Once the press has their hands on something, they are free to do whatever they want with it. They have no obligation to any rights holder at any time. Consider the NSA and diplomatic cable leaks; that information was outright stolen from their rightful owners with no intent to *ever* be released unlike advertising copy. Yet the press is free to report on the content turned over to them no matter how much the US huffs and puffs.
This is why GW targeted Wayland via trade terms, because they knew it was a rocky course to pursue BoW under copyright law for exactly that reason. So, BoW is simply severing the connection, which likely was irrelevant to the source of news anyway, to protect their partner.
If GW wants to hunt down leaks, that's fine. It's a problem most big companies have to deal with and it's an internal security matter. Once that information leaves your domain though, you cease to have the ability to regulate it. Hence why you're better served by never letting it get out in the first place.
2013/10/05 09:27:23
Subject: Beasts of War to Terminate Affiliation with Wayland Games, thanks to GW Legal Threats
PsychoticStorm wrote: Essentially GW wishes all the coverage about them to pass through them and nobody else, they want absolute control on how they might get depicted and they do not want their products showcased among somebody else.
The pig picture so frequently show here must be depicted as something worth paying money for, the systems must be depicted as the best thing one can hope to game with and the fluff the best it was ever written.
They do not want competition simple as that and somehow in their minds if they manage to have all other sites, blogs, news outlets that may not show them in the brightest of all colours or they will definitely not show them among other products die in the next minute it will all be better for them.
That's not true. Look at what the majority of these "issues" were about--things being leaked. There is a very big difference between "You can't talk about our stuff!" and "Stop revealing releases before we do".
Nah, the earlier GW letters wanted BOW to remove any video/image from their site containing any GW works*, and they asked them not to share an official GW video on youtube. They want BOW to shut down as they advertise other games
*Which is essentially a shutdown. There's probably a GW box in the background of every video on the site, and that's a lot of editing or removable.
2013/10/05 09:28:48
Subject: Beasts of War to Terminate Affiliation with Wayland Games, thanks to GW Legal Threats
filbert wrote: Presumably you feel the same about Dakka then, given that most of the leaks BoW feature are posted here first?
Maybe they're next?
I like information, glimpses of something new, heck I like BOW! But when it boils down to it there was somwthing wrong. The BOW fellow admitted to what was in question, did a bang up jub of trying to keep everyone happy, and extended his hand out to GW in an apology and he is driving on. Not whining or bashing GW in a tantrum. Really shows great character.
I truly think when he posted on this very thread that this thread died right then with his post. No real need to carry on with it because he's not... think about it.
These guys love war games, and I've appreciated their videos and such.
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2013/10/05 09:33:49
Subject: Beasts of War to Terminate Affiliation with Wayland Games, thanks to GW Legal Threats
filbert wrote: Presumably you feel the same about Dakka then, given that most of the leaks BoW feature are posted here first?
I think that's a very good point. Sites like Dakka could very well be the next target. You see 'Wayland Games' ads in the top corner. You see other store ads. The latest GW threat to BoW was just about them talking about the latest rumours.
In June it’s feasibility ended…
June 2013 Games Workshop released their new trade terms which contain this:
9.4 If any Affiliates of the Trade Account disseminate or otherwise make available to the public any information in respect of new release Products prior to any Advance Order Date in respect of such Products, then, for a period of 6 months, GW shall not despatch new release Products to that Trade Account until 30 days following the Global Release Date for such Products.
It would not be a stretch of the imagination for GW to decide that, "Stores contribute to sponsoring dakka. That makes Dakka an affiliate. People discuss and share information about new Release products. We will send the lawyers after dakka."
2013/10/05 10:04:20
Subject: Beasts of War to Terminate Affiliation with Wayland Games, thanks to GW Legal Threats
Don't really have a problem with this. There's a world of difference between the kind of thing IGN/Gamespot/whoever do and what BoW do. If GW have an exclusive right to communicate images of their new products to the public under UK law, then that's the law, and arguing whether or not that law is fit for purpose is another discussion entirely. I realise being ambivalent to this will probably not be a popular position.
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2013/10/05 10:06:57
Subject: Beasts of War to Terminate Affiliation with Wayland Games, thanks to GW Legal Threats
Bull0 wrote: Don't really have a problem with this. There's a world of difference between the kind of thing IGN/Gamespot/whoever do and what BoW do. If GW have an exclusive right to communicate images of their new products to the public under UK law, then that's the law, and arguing whether or not that law is fit for purpose is another discussion entirely. I realise being ambivalent to this will probably not be a popular position.
Yet another thread ending statement. wonder how much longer it goes on after his post? Ambivalence apparently is the small club.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Since we are going to stop talking about GW and that will end their existance according to one posting Dakkite, I guess I'll switch to Flames of War or that cool looking Bolt Action gig...
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2013/10/05 10:19:20
Subject: Beasts of War to Terminate Affiliation with Wayland Games, thanks to GW Legal Threats
Bull0 wrote: Don't really have a problem with this. There's a world of difference between the kind of thing IGN/Gamespot/whoever do and what BoW do. If GW have an exclusive right to communicate images of their new products to the public under UK law, then that's the law, and arguing whether or not that law is fit for purpose is another discussion entirely.
Except, that's really not what GW's latest demand was about. - As people were saying, the only time Beasts of War did anything related to 'images' was 2 years ago now with the Storm Talon *sketch*. And a badly drawn sketch at that.
What this latest move is nothing to do with UK law, it's contract (ab)use, with Wayland games. GW are literally say, 'no, anyone tangentially related to you cannot talk about what anyone else who can use google knows about."
were using images that were VERY VERY VERY VERY similar to some of 
