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2014/08/12 06:22:41
Subject: Robin Williams, 63, dead in apparent suicide
Breotan wrote: Am I the only one who finds these suicide hotline posts creepy?
I would like to say "yes" but it probably isn't the case.
It's part of the reason that people suffering from suicidal thoughts are stigmatized in our society; honest talk about it is considered "creepy" and avoided so people end up suffering in silence.
d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
2014/08/12 06:32:38
Subject: Robin Williams, 63, dead in apparent suicide
I grew up with comedy, and his was some of the best. I still remember this early appearance of his, which we used to watch all the time. The man was brilliant, and I find myself sometimes using the same voices and mannerisms he used just because they still make me laugh.
I haven't felt this bummed since Richard Jeni died.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: I grew up with comedy, and his was some of the best. I still remember this early appearance of his, which we used to watch all the time. The man was brilliant, and I find myself sometimes using the same voices and mannerisms he used just because they still make me laugh.
I haven't felt this bummed since Richard Jeni died.
Holy crap... Richard Jeni is dead?!
2014/08/12 06:37:28
Subject: Robin Williams, 63, dead in apparent suicide
BobtheInquisitor wrote: I grew up with comedy, and his was some of the best. I still remember this early appearance of his, which we used to watch all the time. The man was brilliant, and I find myself sometimes using the same voices and mannerisms he used just because they still make me laugh.
I haven't felt this bummed since Richard Jeni died.
Holy crap... Richard Jeni is dead?!
Yes. Also a suicide.
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Breotan wrote: Am I the only one who finds these suicide hotline posts creepy?
I would like to say "yes" but it probably isn't the case.
It's part of the reason that people suffering from suicidal thoughts are stigmatized in our society; honest talk about it is considered "creepy" and avoided so people end up suffering in silence.
Honest talk isn't creepy. Hotline posts on Dakka in a thread about Robin Williams is creepy. Seriously, it's got a ghoulish vibe to it and not in a WHFB kind of way.
Meh, maybe it's just me.
Anway, back to the topic at hand, I was saddened to see Robin took his life. Normally I hold a derisive view of suicides but he was battling severe depression according to one of the articles I read and that can really mess up your will to live. Combined with drugs and, I guess it was inevitable. Still, I really hate to see people I like go too soon.
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2014/08/12 06:51:51
Subject: Robin Williams, 63, dead in apparent suicide
Breotan wrote: Am I the only one who finds these suicide hotline posts creepy?
I would like to say "yes" but it probably isn't the case.
It's part of the reason that people suffering from suicidal thoughts are stigmatized in our society; honest talk about it is considered "creepy" and avoided so people end up suffering in silence.
Honest talk isn't creepy. Hotline posts on Dakka in a thread about Robin Williams is creepy. Seriously, it's got a ghoulish vibe to it and not in a WHFB kind of way.
Meh, maybe it's just me.
To me it is a perfect time and place to raise awareness of suicide and how it could be prevented.
Suicide and depression are stigmatized by society at large so when we all see someone who dedicated their life to making people laugh (not to mention all the other great things he did to support troops, kids with terminal diseases, etc.) commit suicide, it will open the eyes of the public. Maybe someone suffering from depression will be inspired to reach out for help. Maybe someone who has a dismissive view of depression and suicide will realize the people that actually suffer from this disease aren't all shut-ins dressed all in black living in their parents basement cutting themselves to a Joy Division record but normal people that outwardly appear like everyone else.
Now I'm not saying you personally think that, but I am just illustrating a point.
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2014/08/12 06:58:56
Subject: Re:Robin Williams, 63, dead in apparent suicide
Truly sad news. My sympathies to his family and friends for their loss.
It is saddening that instead of conquering his demons as it had seemed, that it appears he had just gotten better at masking his pain.
I wish that I could say this was a complete surprise but his struggles with depression and self-destructive behaviors are well known.
I used to be inspired by how he would take his deep inner sadness and use it to portray both comedic and tragic characters. Now I wish that he had found a path to healing instead.
For me and many others another person who brought joy to our childhood has died and passed into legend. He will be remembered.
Later,
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2014/08/12 08:26:07
Subject: Re:Robin Williams, 63, dead in apparent suicide
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2014/08/12 08:40:18
Subject: Re:Robin Williams, 63, dead in apparent suicide
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2014/08/12 09:53:48
Subject: Re:Robin Williams, 63, dead in apparent suicide
Wow....first my favorite Ghostbuster dies now Robin Williams....methinks this year is going to be a very bad one. Doubly so if Bill Murray or Dan Aykroyd bite it as well..
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2014/08/12 11:09:24
Subject: Robin Williams, 63, dead in apparent suicide
His stand up was great, his performance in Aladdin was perfect, and he raised a lot of money (with Crystal and Goldberg) for the homeless with his Comic Relief programs in the 80s and 90s.
He'll be missed.
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2014/08/12 12:02:52
Subject: Robin Williams, 63, dead in apparent suicide
Aww man. Just heard it myself. I loved The Crazy Ones and his old movies.
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Breotan wrote: Am I the only one who finds these suicide hotline posts creepy?
I would like to say "yes" but it probably isn't the case.
It's part of the reason that people suffering from suicidal thoughts are stigmatized in our society; honest talk about it is considered "creepy" and avoided so people end up suffering in silence.
Honest talk isn't creepy. Hotline posts on Dakka in a thread about Robin Williams is creepy. Seriously, it's got a ghoulish vibe to it and not in a WHFB kind of way.
Meh, maybe it's just me.
To me it is a perfect time and place to raise awareness of suicide and how it could be prevented.
Agreed, especially since it's not uncommon for suicidal thoughts to increase or occur due to the death of a loved one or someone that's looked up to by the person.
Robin Williams, you will be missed. I wish I had more of your work on hand so that I could memorialize you in a more significant way.
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2014/08/12 13:57:11
Subject: Robin Williams, 63, dead in apparent suicide
And I agree, suicide is never good and people need to be told it is not ok to do and to seek help. I support any type of awareness out of this to help people not do what Robin Williams did. Celebrating Rrobin Williams for his act encourages others who feel under-appreciated to take the 'they will miss me when i'm gone' approach which is bad.
He shouldn't be celebrated for killing himself, and this idea that he needs to be re-remembered now reeks of attention grabbing. I do not celebrate suicides or those who commit them. They want to not exist, they then can not exist.
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2014/08/12 14:00:58
Subject: Robin Williams, 63, dead in apparent suicide
nkelsch wrote: Any update on *WHY* he committed suicide?
And I agree, suicide is never good and people need to be told it is not ok to do and to seek help. I support any type of awareness out of this to help people not do what Robin Williams did. Celebrating Rrobin Williams for his act encourages others who feel under-appreciated to take the 'they will miss me when i'm gone' approach which is bad.
He shouldn't be celebrated for killing himself, and this idea that he needs to be re-remembered now reeks of attention grabbing. I do not celebrate suicides or those who commit them. They want to not exist, they then can not exist.
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2014/08/12 14:01:58
Subject: Re:Robin Williams, 63, dead in apparent suicide
Robin Williams will be missed, a comment not made glibly, a decent person with a great talent for making people happy.
Farewell.
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2014/08/12 14:03:27
Subject: Re:Robin Williams, 63, dead in apparent suicide
Slarg232 wrote: First Steve Irwin, and now Robin Williams. All of my childhood heroes are dying before their time
Dude don't start a bad luck trend. If bill Nye the science guy goes i'll be super p*ssed.
To be fair, one died of being an idiot (by many's estimations) the other had some major mental health problems.
As a friend of mine on FB posted on one of the news sites: I do wonder if this will change people's opinions on suicide and depression. Only a week ago, news broke of a mother/wife who had committed suicide, and FB people were almost unanimously calling this lady weak and selfish, but if you really pay attention those same people are expressing gratitude towards the work that Williams did, and expressing grief for his family and friends. Perhaps Robin Williams' death, as sad as it is, can be a catalyst into getting more research and proper care to people suffering from what is ultimately a disease that's just as bad as the flu or Leukemia.
2014/08/12 14:09:31
Subject: Robin Williams, 63, dead in apparent suicide
nkelsch wrote: Any update on *WHY* he committed suicide?
And I agree, suicide is never good and people need to be told it is not ok to do and to seek help. I support any type of awareness out of this to help people not do what Robin Williams did. Celebrating Robin Williams for his act encourages others who feel under-appreciated to take the 'they will miss me when i'm gone' approach which is bad.
He shouldn't be celebrated for killing himself, and this idea that he needs to be re-remembered now reeks of attention grabbing. I do not celebrate suicides or those who commit them. They want to not exist, they then can not exist.
Breotan wrote: Normally I hold a derisive view of suicides but he was battling severe depression according to one of the articles I read and that can really mess up your will to live.
I just wanted to point out that the vast majority of people who commit suicide are suffering from some kind of mental illness.
nkelsch wrote: Any update on *WHY* he committed suicide?
And I agree, suicide is never good and people need to be told it is not ok to do and to seek help. I support any type of awareness out of this to help people not do what Robin Williams did. Celebrating Robin Williams for his act encourages others who feel under-appreciated to take the 'they will miss me when i'm gone' approach which is bad.
He shouldn't be celebrated for killing himself, and this idea that he needs to be re-remembered now reeks of attention grabbing. I do not celebrate suicides or those who commit them. They want to not exist, they then can not exist.
Breotan wrote: Normally I hold a derisive view of suicides but he was battling severe depression according to one of the articles I read and that can really mess up your will to live.
I just wanted to point out that the vast majority of people who commit suicide are suffering from some kind of mental illness.
And yet, people are perfectly willing to ignore the mental illness but celebrate their lives when they are gone. Makes no sense to me.
And it makes a cycle of people see suicide as a valid out when they see suicides celebrated like this. I don't like it. Why didn't people like the devastated Sarah Michelle Gellar who worked with him daily do something? where is Robin William's family?
I do think that people need to also speak up. If you have had even a fleeting thought of suicide, you are super close to the edge and don't realize it. You need to tell someone, you need to get help. And if you hear someone even joke about suicide, it is time to get help.
No one deals with the causes but celebrates the results. That is a bad message.
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2014/08/12 15:01:49
Subject: Robin Williams, 63, dead in apparent suicide
And yet, people are perfectly willing to ignore the mental illness but celebrate their lives when they are gone. Makes no sense to me.
And it makes a cycle of people see suicide as a valid out when they see suicides celebrated like this. I don't like it. Why didn't people like the devastated Sarah Michelle Gellar who worked with him daily do something? where is Robin William's family?
I do think that people need to also speak up. If you have had even a fleeting thought of suicide, you are super close to the edge and don't realize it. You need to tell someone, you need to get help. And if you hear someone even joke about suicide, it is time to get help.
No one deals with the causes but celebrates the results. That is a bad message.
I don't think people are "celebrating" the results of mental illness... Yes, they are celebrating his work, and all the things that made many of us laugh/smile, but how difficult is it for us, who don't know the inner turmoil that Robin Williams had to understand just what he was going through? I say that it's better to celebrate the life that he lived than to focus on the fact that he killed himself.
As for people not doing "something" about mental illness... well, I can tell you as someone who has/does suffer from some mental illness that people are EXTREMELY good at hiding the pain and suffering. There are of course, warning signs that people can watch for, but outside of the military (because we go through quarterly training on suicide prevention when I was in) really know and understand those signs?
But there is also something to be said about how horrible people in society can be. Last week, there was a news report posted on a local outlet's page about a woman who'd been missing, she'd been found near her vehicle and police were calling it a suicide, pending investigation... The horrible gak that people were commenting about her being selfish and a horrible mother, etc were, sadly, no longer shocking to me... but then I viewed the articles posted to the same website regarding Robin Williams suicide, and the same usernames are making comments to the exact opposite.
I agree that we don't really "deal" with the causes, but I think that people are beginning to change their thinking on suicide and mental health as a whole, so maybe in the coming months and years, we'll get more research into this (well, more money for existing research or something) to better understand depression and mental health, and the things that lead some to take their own lives.
2014/08/12 15:08:16
Subject: Robin Williams, 63, dead in apparent suicide
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2014/08/12 15:15:22
Subject: Robin Williams, 63, dead in apparent suicide
Calling someone weak because they died from suicide after a long struggle with mental illness is like calling someone weak for dying after a long struggle with cancer.
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