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 SisterSydney wrote:
Stormtrooper pricing, let me see:

Stormtrooper Platoon 70pts: (4 stormtroopers + 1 stormtrooper sgt.)
Spoiler:
Ws 4 Bs 4 S3 T3 W1 I3 A1 Ld8 Sv4+
Ws 4 Bs 4 S3 T3 W1 I3 A1 Ld8 Sv4+ (sgt)

Spoiler:

Infantry

Wargear:

Stormtrooper armor, Hot-Shot Lasgun, Hot-Shot Laspistol, Vibroblade

Special Rules:

For the Emperor!, Concentrate Fire, Character(sgt only)

May take up to 20 more Stormtroopers for 14pts each.

For Every 5 Stormtroopers you may replace one stormtroopers Hot-Shot Lasgun for a Lascannon for 20pts each.

Each Stormtrooper may take a Speeder Bike for 7pts each.

May take an Imperial Landing Vehicle or a Land Speeder as a Dedicated Transport.

May take an AT-AT as a Dedicated Transport for 875pts. This still counts as a LOW.

I'm going to follow my variation of Ovion's excellent (albeit not perfect) method:

Start with AM/IG Veterans: 60 pts per 10 (w/ sergeant)
Downgrade sergeant to regular trooper, as we only want basic troop cost: -10
Upgrade to carapace armour: +15
NET: 65 points per 10 models = 6.5 points per model

Add +1 WS: +2 ppm
Add +1 Ld: +1 ppm
Replace lasgun w/ hotshot lasgun: +2, at a guess
Add pistol: +2 pts
Replace Orders with "For the Emperor" and "Concentrate Fire": a wash?
Total additions per model: +6

So I'd get 12.5 points per basic grunt Stormtrooper, a little cheaper than the 14 ppm you have -- probably appropriate given that Tac Marines have better armor, weapons, strength, and toughness for 14 points.

PS: I'm not sure how the squad can take an AT-AT as a dedicated transport -- which by definition doesn't take a FOC slot -- and have the AT-AT still take a Lord of War slot.

Ah nice. Well since the sergeant has the same stats but with the character rule, I think that the points for him would be about the same.

So 13ppm sounds reasonable for these guys? For a base cost of 65pts.


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I will update them soon.

Adding new unit: E-Web Artillery (60pts)
Unit size: 3 stormtrooper crew, 1 E-Web Heavy Blaster
Stormtrooper crew (infantry) Ws 4 Bs 4 S3 T3 W1 I3 A1 Ld8 Sv4+
E-Web Heavy Repeating Blaster T7 W2 Sv3+
Artillery
F-Web Heavy Repeating Blaster T7 W2 Sv3+4+
Artillery

Wargear:
Stormtrooper crew: hot shot lasgun, hot shot laspistol, vibroblade

Special Rules: For the Emperor!

May take up to two more E-Web Heavy Blasters with 3 crew- 60pts each.

Each E-Web Heavy Blaster may be swapped for F-Web Heavy Blaster- +20pts

E-Web Heavy Blaster Firing Profile- Range 48" S6 ap4, Heavy 4 Pinning

F-Web Heavy Blaster Firing Profile- Ramge 36" S6 ap4, Heavy 5 Pinning

My son learned to say "E-Web Repeating Blaster" before he turned six -- he got a Lego Star Wars set with one in it (the barrel keeps popping off) -- so I'm fond of this idea. That said, isn't the E-web more of a Guard-style Heavy Weapon Team thing than an outright artillery piece? Certainly, as we see in the Echo Base hangar in Empire, the snowtrooper crew can't shelter behind their weapon very well. It sure didn't look T:7 to me....

Hmmm.... I think your right. The E-Web is more akin to a Heavy bolter team then an artillery piece.

Perhaps this then: Reduce price to 35pts and 55pts respectively.

Each Stormtrooper team has 1 E-Web Repeating Blaster between them to share.

Remove the toughness, wounds, and save from both the E-web and F-web.

Shooting profiles remain the same however the F-web now grants a 4+ invulnerable save to the stormtroopers shooting the weapon.

Before I was representing the latters forcefield by giving the artillery piece the invul save. However since you correctly pointed out that it is not artillery, but rather a heavy Anti-Infantry gun the forcefield grants a 4+ invulnerable save to the stormtroopers instead.

I don't know about the shielded F-Web model, but that seems a reasonable way to represent the E-Web. Given that each stormtrooper is ca. 13 points, for a total of 26, you're leaving 9 points to represent the gun itself, which is probably a bit low: I'd say 40 points per gun-and-two-troopers team.

storm troopers get killed by rocks and ewoks, 5+ save please

So 2 crew per E/F web and 40pts/50pts for the different weapons teams. I like it

Everything Ewoks touch has AP:1. It's like the opposite of plot armor: plot armor penetration.

Alright its been added under Heavy Support: Final version below:

Unit Composition: 2 Stormtrooper crew
Stormtrooper crew Ws 4 Bs 4 S3 T3 W1 I3 A1 Ld8 Sv4+
Infantry

Wargear:
Each: hot shot lasgun, hot shot laspistol, vibroblade. Both stormtrooper crew models share 1 E-Web Heavy Repeating Blaster

Special Rules:
For the Emperor!
May take up to two more E-Web Heavy Blasters with 2 crew each- 40pts.
An E-Web Heavy Repeating Blaster may be replace with a F-Web Heavy Repeating Blaster- +10pts

E-Web Heavy Repeating Blaster profile- Range 48" S6 ap4, Heavy 4 Pinning

F-Web Heavy Repeating Blaster profile- Range 36" S6 ap4, Heavy 5 Pinning, Personal Forcefield*

Personal Forcefield- The stormtrooper crew using this weapon have a 4+ invulnerable save.

Up next: ISP Speeders ( think space marine land speeders)


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Her's what I got so far:
I.S.P. (Infantry Support Platform) Speeder Squadron:
70pts each-
BS 3 AV 11 11 10 3hp
Fast- medium skimmer
Wargear:
Twin-linked ISP Blaster*

Special Rules:
Squadron, Fast, Skimmer, Mow Them Down!*
Each ISP Speeder may take a second Twin-linked ISP Blaster-15pts
May take up to 2 more ISP Speeders- 70pts each,
ISP Blaster- Range- 36” S6 ap- Heavy 3, Concussive

Mow Them Down!- ISP Speeders may fire overwatch at enemy assaulting units that declare a SUCCESSFUL charge against it. EDITED

My son has the lego of this, but I've never seen video of it at work. Without that context, all I can say is "mow them down" confuses me: it becomes a better firing platform the faster it goes?

I forgot to put a big OR in the rule. I hadn't decided how the rule was going to work.

However I'm thinking that its better to just make the rule let it fire overwatch or just to trash it.

It shoots more the faster it goes....must have slipped into ork logic right there.
Sorry about that.






Does anyone think that the range 12" small blast Your Thoughts Are Mine! gun is too powerful for 25pts on a 130pts character?
Here arethe relevant rules:
Your Thoughts Are Mine - Each model hit by a weapon with this rule immediately takes a leadership test with 3 d6. If this test is failed then the model immediately deals a number of hits equal to its attack profile and weapons against its own unit. Allocate wounds to these affected model last. This effect is over after wounds are resolved and it does not incur another leadership test if failed.

The character has independent operative (cannot join/ be joined in other units) WS6 BS7 T/S 3 W 3 I6 A4 and Force User(Psyker) lvl 1 with a 3+ armor save and 4+ invul save. (Rule-wise I was inspired by the assassins codex.)

So kinda a ranged old school MSS? I like it. 25pts sounds pretty good, as you are already paying premium for the model.