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Haven't really watched any of the animated DCU films. Every time I drift close, the faux-anime look sends me packing like a vampire being shown a tanning bed. Tried watching Batman Year One but the utterly flat voice acting killed it after about fifteen minutes. Kind of intrigued by that Batman Ninja description, though.

Compel wrote:Put me on the "I hope the Snyder cut is terrible" train.

My feeling (maybe hope? I acknowledge this is petty) is that the 'Whedon Cut' will end up being, "the best thing they could salvage out of the disaster".

In other words, you know, damning it with faint praise.

A jumble of 'Snyder grimdark' and 'Whedon permaquipping' was always going to end up in some kind of trouble. But as much as Whedon's approach does my head in, he does seem to have a better ability to make something watchable. I have to admit, I'd feel a bit of schadenfreude too if the Snyder cut failed to justify Zach's 'vision'. Not that I particularly want him to be ridiculed; just to shut down some of the obsession and gnashing that JL would have been genius before someone came in to 'ruin' it. It's a film, it was bad, move on.

 creeping-deth87 wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 creeping-deth87 wrote:
Oh my GOD! I'm watching this just to see how much worse it is. I don't think there's much room for it to be worse but if anyone can find a way it's definitely Snyder.

I kind of want it to be worse, just to annoy those who have been clamoring for it for so long on the assumption that it would be amazing...

I'm right there with you

Its actually really fun, the total opposite of a Snyder film. The juxtapose of a guy playing a kid with superpowers vs. a villain who chews more scenery than a lawn mower is excellent.

Of course I liked Birds of Prey as well.

You talking about Shazam? Because yeah, that was fun.

I liked Shazam. It was fun. Don’t really read the comic, but I had the bit of twist in the climax ruined for me still by the pop figs coming out before the movie did.

Read something that suggested ZS wanted reshoots too, but WB wouldn’t foot the bill for that. So we’ll see how well it holds together.

Wonder if this will help or hurt Cavill’s chances at getting another turn with the cape?

From Snyder's Twitter feed..

Darkseid, apparently...

I'm choosing to decline to comment.

He looks too skinny?

Or perhaps his limbs are not in proportion correctly with his body?

Something seems...off.

Yeah, looks like he's got Malifaux legs.

Rumour has it that aside from a cameo at the end, to set up the sequel that'll never happen, Darkseid mainly appears in a flashback sequence (a bit like the fall of Sauron bit in LOTR I guess) so this is very likely a young, possibly adolescent Darkseid if that's true.

I think you're right!

Shame we'll never get the sequel...

Meanwhile...fire up the Morden Signal!

https://www.cbr.com/jesse-eisenberg-happy-zack-snyder-cut/

 Alpharius wrote:
He looks too skinny?

Or perhaps his limbs are not in proportion correctly with his body?

Something seems...off.

He's not really placed on the 'ground' (its painfully obviously a layered composite photo) and his shadow is conflicting with way too many light sources (and yet the shot is still somehow dark).

On the other hand, he does look like he has a really well developed pillowy bosom.


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Erg. The more I look at the photo, the more apparent it is that everything in it is fake, and unconvincingly so. The DC cartoons look more realistic then this mish-mash.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Rumour has it that aside from a cameo at the end, to set up the sequel that'll never happen, Darkseid mainly appears in a flashback sequence (a bit like the fall of Sauron bit in LOTR I guess) so this is very likely a young, possibly adolescent Darkseid if that's true.

Yes, previous rumors about this sequence said it was Uxas.

 Alpharius wrote:
I think you're right!

Shame we'll never get the sequel...

Meanwhile...fire up the Morden Signal!

https://www.cbr.com/jesse-eisenberg-happy-zack-snyder-cut/

First, it was only a matter of time

Actually, let's be a little fair. This is actually the thread FOR an Isenberg rant. It's when JL or BvS is brought up in random threads solely to take Isenberg to task that I've called him out on it. You won't hear me critique him if he does so in here in any way. Personal taste is personal taste.

Second, I'm wondering if this Snyder cut isn't a "campaign" to attempt to GET that sequel.

I will say this, Snyder at least seems to love this DC Comics work and is really invested.

If that is good or bad remains to be decided.

Morden isn't wrong - he's just beaten that horse straight past death and into an alternate dimension...

Isenberg's Lex was silly loopy and it wasn't really adequately explained why - but it could have been.

It will be interesting to see how much changes in Snyder's "pure" vision...

 Just Tony wrote:
Second, I'm wondering if this Snyder cut isn't a "campaign" to attempt to GET that sequel.

Possible that Snyder directs another DC film at some point, but his JL plan is dead. I think it's possible that Darkseid could show his ugly mug in a future Superman film or something. Could be a kind of 'soft sequel' that way.

Speaking of which, it sounds like Henry Cavill may be returning to the role. Some reports are saying it's not for a MoS sequel, but for appearances in Black Adam and the Shazam franchise. And sure, it was no secret that the Rock was trying to do Cavill a solid with that (they share the same manager -- Rock's ex -- and his production company does Shazam). However, while I'm no industry expert, I can't imagine that the studio would draft up a new contract that doesn't cover potential solo films.

From every interview I see of Cavill, I'm convinced he could easily be the best interpretation of Superman we've gotten if he could just be himself and not whatever it is Snyder was trying to make him be. You can see it a bit in the Whedon reshoots, not that that's enough to salvage things.

That's the hope!

I'd love another Superman film with Cavill in it...

So far, leaks are saying it is more like a MCU "Hulk" deal:

https://www.cbr.com/henry-cavill-superman-hulk-like-role-dceu/

Fingers crossed for an eventual MoS sequel too though.

 Easy E wrote:
I will say this, Snyder at least seems to love this DC Comics work and is really invested.

If that is good or bad remains to be decided.

The issue with Snyder's passion is its very similar to the passion we saw in the 90's.

 LunarSol wrote:
From every interview I see of Cavill, I'm convinced he could easily be the best interpretation of Superman we've gotten if he could just be himself and not whatever it is Snyder was trying to make him be. You can see it a bit in the Whedon reshoots, not that that's enough to salvage things.

You could also see it in Man of Steel and Batman v Superman.

You just seem to choose not to.

 Alpharius wrote:
I think you're right!

Shame we'll never get the sequel...

Meanwhile...fire up the Morden Signal!

https://www.cbr.com/jesse-eisenberg-happy-zack-snyder-cut/

Well its a bit of a nothing interview about a film he is not really in - apart form a rather crappy cameo at the end.

Unless of course he somehow has a pviotal role in the new cut - in which case - unless the character was radically changed from the Loppy Lex version in bvS I simply would not bother with the new film.

Not sure what issue people had with the other portrayels of either films characters - for me (and my firends) it was the plot and LL that ruined the film not anyone or anything else.

Who is paying for the new cut?

 Alpharius wrote:
That's the hope!

I'd love another Superman film with Cavill in it...

So far, leaks are saying it is more like a MCU "Hulk" deal:

https://www.cbr.com/henry-cavill-superman-hulk-like-role-dceu/

Fingers crossed for an eventual MoS sequel too though.

Very interesting. Because that was (part of) the original plan for Superman after the dust cleared from JL per certain rumormongers I followed.

Basically Cavill's Superman was going to be the connective tissue for the new, much looser continuity DCEU...post-credits, cameos, etc. Which is smart...it'd give them a chance to rehab the Cavill Supes for the doubters, and build hype for MoS2. Which the studio was all over as of two(?) years ago...directors were talked to, etc. Anyway, his Shazam appearance was supposed to be part of that plan, but then things turned surprisingly hostile between Cavill's agent and WB. So he didn't do it, and WB walked away and let it leak that Cavill was done. Ouch. But in going the body double route in Shazam, the studio still used the Cavill suit...leaving the door open just a crack.

So it sounds to me like 'the plan' is back on. The catch is that they probably don't have a script and director for MoS2 yet. But I'm VERY skeptical that his new contract WON'T cover solo films. For one thing, why hype a character you aren't going to give a franchise to? For another, why stoke fans' interest in a film and hand all the leverage to Cavill's agent? Nah...solo films have to be covered in the deal -- it's just there isn't a solid MoS2 project yet to shoot.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
From every interview I see of Cavill, I'm convinced he could easily be the best interpretation of Superman we've gotten if he could just be himself and not whatever it is Snyder was trying to make him be. You can see it a bit in the Whedon reshoots, not that that's enough to salvage things.

You could also see it in Man of Steel and Batman v Superman.

You just seem to choose not to.

Eh, kinda? Everyone is just so hostile towards everyone that the chances are few and far between. Even when he has a chance, there's so much burden draped in every scene its hard to shine through. This isn't praise to Justice League in any sense, but its offbeat levity during the apocalypse feels like it gives Cavill a chance to be, well... likeable.

Alpharius wrote:Morden isn't wrong - he's just beaten that horse straight past death and into an alternate dimension...

Isenberg's Lex was silly loopy and it wasn't really adequately explained why - but it could have been.

It will be interesting to see how much changes in Snyder's "pure" vision...

Honestly he plays Lex as frenetic, not loopy, which is how most genius level people behave in real life.

That’s not how you spell ‘arsehole’. Or ‘poorly’

It would be nice to see Ayers original cut of suicide squad before the studio slaughtered it

 Just Tony wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Morden isn't wrong - he's just beaten that horse straight past death and into an alternate dimension...

Isenberg's Lex was silly loopy and it wasn't really adequately explained why - but it could have been.

It will be interesting to see how much changes in Snyder's "pure" vision...

Honestly he plays Lex as frenetic, not loopy, which is how most genius level people behave in real life.

No I disagree - I think he plays him as a gibbering, capering buffon - a pale shadow of the various versions of the Joker and Luthor.

None of his plans make any sense or show any kind of deep thought especially as to what happens next.

"Yeah I burned Supermans mother alive" Gee I wonder what he will do to me.....Duh I be really stooopid

I guess you could try and make a story around the fact that contact with the Darkseid stuff has sent him into drooling idiot but you need to at least hint at that and what he was/might have been.

 LunarSol wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
From every interview I see of Cavill, I'm convinced he could easily be the best interpretation of Superman we've gotten if he could just be himself and not whatever it is Snyder was trying to make him be. You can see it a bit in the Whedon reshoots, not that that's enough to salvage things.

You could also see it in Man of Steel and Batman v Superman.

You just seem to choose not to.

Eh, kinda? Everyone is just so hostile towards everyone that the chances are few and far between. Even when he has a chance, there's so much burden draped in every scene its hard to shine through. This isn't praise to Justice League in any sense, but its offbeat levity during the apocalypse feels like it gives Cavill a chance to be, well... likeable.

I did part of the Snyder watchalong of MoS -- which wasn't as interesting or illuminating as I thought it'd be, BTW -- and again I was reminded that it's really not a morose, dark film like people make it out to be. Yes, he's a little broody early on...but that wraps up not even halfway through the film when he finds the alien ship. Cavill smiles plenty. Hell, first flight is full of joy. And yes, while Snyder used some filters, that film was mostly shot in bright daylight.

There's some Snyder-style excess carnage to be sure. But I don't know that anything in the film was actually darker or moodier than the comics have been. Too many people were stuck on the Chris Reeve films and their camp. The great mistake of the original DCEU was not following up MoS with a proper sequel showing us a fully-rounded Superman. Batman Begins was also not a smash hit or beloved by critics. But it broke the eggs that needed to be broken and set things up for a smash sequel.

Instead we got a lot of darkness with BvS and not enough time spent with Superman for his sacrifice to feel impactful. A good MoS2 film before BvS would have changed the course of the whole franchise. Not that BvS didn't have its inherent problems, mind you. It definitely had those.

 Just Tony wrote:

Honestly he plays Lex as frenetic, not loopy, which is how most genius level people behave in real life.

Whatever he doesn't play it as scary. That's more how I'd expect the Joker to act actually.